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Footballguy
Agree but while they followed through with the whole season, they pulled the plug week 4 IIRC.
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Kinda shocking considering the success of their first week and their recent partnership with the NFL.
Chemical X
Footballguy
ooh, spring football here in raleigh. another pro event no one will attend.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
hard to tell because the league is fudging numbers (although to be fair, all leagues in the US report tickets distributed and not butts in seats)
https://www.fanduel.com/theduel/posts/6299773-aaf-might-be-lying-about-some-attendance-figures
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
TheIronSheik
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I was sick this weekend and didn't watch any TV. Not that I would have probably watched a full game, but I didn't even watch a second of it.
And that made me realize what is missing: Push alerts for scores the way that every other sport has them. I may not catch every single game of every sports team I follow, but I know everything that is happening because of push alerts. Hell, a lot of times I'll get an alert and that will make me put the game on if it's a close game.
And while I understand why ESPN doesn't offer this, I was nonplussed as to why the CBS sports app doesn't offer this feature. I mean, it's their league. That's a HUGE swing and a miss in my opinion. Take note, XFL. Get your push alerts set before Week 1 next year.
And that made me realize what is missing: Push alerts for scores the way that every other sport has them. I may not catch every single game of every sports team I follow, but I know everything that is happening because of push alerts. Hell, a lot of times I'll get an alert and that will make me put the game on if it's a close game.
And while I understand why ESPN doesn't offer this, I was nonplussed as to why the CBS sports app doesn't offer this feature. I mean, it's their league. That's a HUGE swing and a miss in my opinion. Take note, XFL. Get your push alerts set before Week 1 next year.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
If XFL 1.0 couldn't make a go of it with **** Freaking Ebersol and the power of NBC behind it, what makes version 2.0 any better or more likely to succeed?
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
So while it said the original investor backed out, it also stated that the new investor put a large amount of money in that will keep them going fine. So, crisis averted. Could have been devastating but appears they've turned that corner.
Capella
Footballguy
20 years ago. Andrew Luck’s dad is running it and he is known as one of the sharpest minds around. I would bet a lot, and I meant a LOT of money on the XFL winning this battle.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Isn't the XFL predominantly financed by Vince McMahon? If so, it would seem less likely for one guy to be able to stomach massive losses in the first couple of years (as opposed to multiple owners each absorbing a much smaller amount).
Also, the XFL is trying to brand itself as being a higher caliber of football than the AAF or Arena football, which I think will lead to a lot of disappointed fans.
Also, the new XFL is removing many of the traits which attracted fans to the original XFL in the first place (hard hits, sexy cheerleaders, and WWE storylines). I'm not saying that it's a bad idea to eliminate those traits, but I do think that you're going to lose a lot of the old school fans which means you're going to be in a similar position as the AAF in terms of finding a fan base.
Also, didn't Oliver Luck run NFL Europe into the ground?
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
NFL Europe never found a foothold financially. The attendance was decent through out the run but they were never able to grab enough other sources of revenue to sustain the business.
Luck was President from 1996 to 2000. He was there during the time the league rebranded from the WLAF to NFL Europe when the failing American teams were removed.
After he left in 2000 to go back to Houston, where he would eventually join MLS, NFL Europe went on another 7 years before finally shutting down in 2007.
I've heard a lot of good things about Tom Dundon - the Hurricanes owner who just invested $250m into the AAF. It will be an interesting race, for sure
My biggest criticism of the AAF so far is they did not embrace gambling nearly enough. No DFS was available at FanDuel or DraftKing. They should have games/teams specifically in states with legalized sports gambling and have the DFS companies (who also run sportsbooks) names plastered all over the jerseys/site. People who will watch the worse #### if they can throw a $20 on it and the first league to magnify gambling is going to win.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Neither league will be around in 3 years. I'm not sure why this time will be any different from all the other failures in football.
Capella
Footballguy
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Footballguy
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
I don’t think the people that are craving action enough to be betting on minor league football are going to be watching let alone attending games.
[scooter]
Footballguy
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
And **** Ebersol is still better at TV than Luck.
Face it, everyone talks a good game about wanting spring/summer football, but no one watches. USFL, WFL, XFL, NFLE/WLAF all tried and failed. Right now, there’s nothing that leads me to believe any of these three leagues are going to work, either.
belljr
Footballguy
belljr
Footballguy
General Malaise
Footballguy
Easier to do or easier to access? Because 2002ish was a glorious time to bet with offshore books...
Capella
Footballguy
Epic Problem
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Ratings were fine in week 2. If they can streamline costs and monetize the tv audience they will make it. If they are overbloated on expenses and are counting on butts in the seats then they are going to be dead. Like somebody else mentioned it’s crazy they don’t have some kind of DFS agreement.
Not really.[scooter] said:
Gamblers look for "spot" that favor a side. That is done by finding historical trends, there are no trends in this football.
Who sucks coming off a bye ATS, who shines heading into a bye ATS. Who sucks in prime time games, who shines? And on and on.....
lumpy19
Footballguy
Betting football is loading up stats/trends "spots" where one side has shown a superiority over the other from an ATS perpsective. Obviously we have none of that with a rookie league.
facook
Footballguy
A team will be one of 4 things.
home fav...HF
home dog...HD
road fav...RF
road dog...RD
You need to know how the 32 teams perform ATS in whatever role they are in that week.
The Colts are 5-13 as a RD
Browns are 13-5 as a HF.
So that gives Cleveland a....26-10 trend ATS.
The Colts are heading into a bye week, there....3-13..ATS
The Browns coming off a bye week....13-3...ATS.
Now the Browns enjoy a...52-16...trend.
All kinds of things you search out trying to find a game that strong when it comes to trends/spots favoring a side.
Yep, time consuming. IF...you are serious and play big $$$$$ that's how you win, if just for yucks and small $$$$$ then go with .....nothing.
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facook
Footballguy
facook
Footballguy
What would you do with college hoops and nhl 1st periods? Cause they aren't going great for me tonight.
I don't play anything but pro football. Now its time to kiss up to the wife because when football gets back, ha~~~
But no matter what you play, you must know how any team performs ATS in whatever "spot" they are in. What happens is nobody really wants to do the work to isolate those best ATS plays, so they think they can just gut it out.........that will not work over time, you cannot win without the homework.
In football I don't care what you do, how much work you've done the best ya can hope for is around 65%., so it comes down to money management, which is isolating plays you load up on, a 550 play instead of the 110, so while you hit 6 of 10, you lost playing 110, but won playing 550.
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facook
Footballguy
TheIronSheik
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The roulette wheel has landed on black the last 5 out of 8 times. Bet red, because it's totally due.ZenoRazon said:
Not really.
Once and for all, when laying 11 to win 10, what percentage of bets do professional gamblers win?
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Professional sports bettors rarely sustain a long-term winning percentage higher than 55 percent, and it's often as low as 53 or 54 percent. People find that hard to believe, and they understandably get even more skeptical when told that, for a genuine professional-level sports bettor, a long-term winning expectation of 60% or more is actually too high.
There's always an awkward pause when a non-gambler or a beginner asks me, "What percentage of bets do professional bettors win?"
It's a less-than-simple question to answer because it can't be answered simply. That, of course, sounds like a cop-out, but the answer to that question really does demand an explanation.
Many people believe professional-level sports bettors win at least 60% of their bets. It's understandable that people think that, but it's just not true. The fact is, the difference between the percentage of bets won by successful sports bettors and the percentage of bets won by chronic losers is relatively very small.
SlaX
Footballguy
SlaX
Footballguy
The biggest problem with XFL 1.0 was that it rushed and they gave the players like 2 weeks to try out, and prepare. You can't have cohesive football with only 2 weeks of practice. Vince went into 1.0 with only one game plan. They were gonna be different than the NFL. How were they going to be different? Uhh... well, we'll tell you when we figure it out. Ebersol put too much stake into Vince's vision because of their past experience and didn't realize that his idea wasn't ready yet.
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JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
I think the best way for the XFL to succeed is for it to become a work. It's what Vince does best anyway... Let's have a heel coach who tries to cheat. Give me some player vs player rivalries that are built over a few weeks before they actually meet on the field. Heck, have an XFL team invade an AAF locker room and trash the place, nWo style.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
This thread has some potential, sadly these leagues prob don't 
Epic Problem
Footballguy
I truly think that you need to have the aforementioned gambling interest for any of these leagues to succeed. When you start playing the drama card and setting up authority figures to become cheating villains you lose the sanctity of the game being on the up and up. And with that, you lose the gamblers.JB Breakfast Club said:
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