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Mark Harris and North Carolina election fraud: New election now looks likely

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In the midst of everything else going on, we’re not discussing this story and we probably should. Harris has denied knowing anything about any cheating going on, but now his son has contradicted him: 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/02/20/mark-harris-north-carolina-election-fraud-1192738

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According to what I heard on the news yesterday, there are 5 people on this committee that decides stuff: 2 Democrats and 3 Republicans. You need 4 of them to certify the election, and the Democrats refused; all 3 Republicans voted to certify. You need 3 votes to have a new election, which means one of the Republicans would have to agree to that. Perhaps after the son’s testimony this will happen, but who knows? It looks really bad for Harris here. 

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Your own son, who is a federal prosecutor, tells you not to hire this guy because of his election tampering, but you hire him anyway.  Nothing to see here.  Let's talk about real voter fraud!

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Harris testifies today and It will be interesting to hear what he says based on his sons testimony yesterday. 

One thing that has been buried is there was a democratic group trying to do the same thing.  It is an embarrassment on our state and think with so much impropriety there needs to a new election. 

With that said this is my voting district and I will be shocked if any Republicans on the board cross party lines with their vote

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As a friend asked, at what point do we stop debating whether Harris should be seated and start wondering if he should be prosecuted?

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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

According to what I heard on the news yesterday, there are 5 people on this committee that decides stuff: 2 Democrats and 3 Republicans. You need 4 of them to certify the election, and the Democrats refused; all 3 Republicans voted to certify. You need 3 votes to have a new election, which means one of the Republicans would have to agree to that. Perhaps after the son’s testimony this will happen, but who knows? It looks really bad for Harris here. 

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Has Trump weighed in on this genuine voting fraud that he seems to care so much about?

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Why weren't  Harris, his campaign people and Dowless arrested in that hearing room and taken into custody?

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Harris just said that he didn’t take his son’s warning seriously. 

But earlier he testified that he had no prior knowledge that the guy he hired had a history of fraud. That turned out to be a lie. It seems to me that Harris is guilty of perjury at least. 

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Harris just called for a new election.

He also said he suffered 2 stokes in January so I’m wondering if he would run again.  

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30 minutes ago, berndog said:

Harris just called for a new election.

He also said he suffered 2 stokes in January so I’m wondering if he would run again.  

That's interesting.

I think he's looking for a way out of this mess.

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They're supposed to announce a decision later today. But with Harris supporting a new election, it's probably a done deal.

The election will not take place until November. The district will be without representation until then.

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7 hours ago, timschochet said:

According to what I heard on the news yesterday, there are 5 people on this committee that decides stuff: 2 Democrats and 3 Republicans. You need 4 of them to certify the election, and the Democrats refused; all 3 Republicans voted to certify. You need 3 votes to have a new election, which means one of the Republicans would have to agree to that. Perhaps after the son’s testimony this will happen, but who knows? It looks really bad for Harris here. 

Elections board unanimously votes for new election

Score 1 for democracy.

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2 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

The Republicans didn't have much choice after Harris' son testified and Harris himself called for it.

I have a feeling that Harris is done; the Republicans will put up a new candidate and hope that the public doesn't remember this debacle.

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6 hours ago, zftcg said:

As a friend asked, at what point do we stop debating whether Harris should be seated and start wondering if he should be prosecuted?

A strong message needs to be sent. Like a black man selling crack in the 80's message. 

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2 minutes ago, Sheriff Bart said:

A strong message needs to be sent. Like a black man selling crack in the 80's message. 

Or like the message Texas sent when they sentenced a woman to a multiyear prison term because she didn't realize she was ineligible to vote 

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5 hours ago, ffldrew said:

Why weren't  Harris, his campaign people and Dowless arrested in that hearing room and taken into custody?

I'm curious about this as well. Voter fraud in NC is a felony (not sure how much time one would get it caught) so I'm curious as to how there seems to be no penalty for election fraud

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1 hour ago, Tom Skerritt said:

Interesting that @GoBirds and @jon_mx are both notably absent clamoring for Republicans to capitulate. 

Still butt hurt after your conflicting positions eh? 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-carolina-board-votes-to-hold-new-house-election-over-absentee-ballot-fraud-213703280.html

Harris himself called for a new election and the board has already voted for a new election but would love to hear how this compares to Northam somehow? 

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2 hours ago, zftcg said:

Or like the message Texas sent when they sentenced a woman to a multiyear prison term because she didn't realize she was ineligible to vote 

Let me guess, she wasn't white? 

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Just curious, was a new election the only recourse here? Could they have simply declared McCready the winner? The way Harris quickly came around to the idea made me wonder if it was a strategic retreat to avoid something even worse.

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1 hour ago, Tom Skerritt said:

Interesting that @GoBirds and @jon_mx are both notably absent clamoring for Republicans to capitulate. 

I'll say the same thing I said in the Northam/Fairfax threads: Can't we just condemn bad behavior without trying to use the incident to nail our opponents on hypocrisy charges? I think most Republicans seem to recognize that what Harris' campaign is accused of doing is beyond the pale, and I haven't heard anyone defending him, especially after the revelations of the past couple days.

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56 minutes ago, zftcg said:

Just curious, was a new election the only recourse here? Could they have simply declared McCready the winner? The way Harris quickly came around to the idea made me wonder if it was a strategic retreat to avoid something even worse.

I don’t see how. McCready was behind. 

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25 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I don’t see how. McCready was behind. 

Throw out the fraudulent votes and if McCready is now ahead, he's the winner

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Just now, zftcg said:

Throw out the fraudulent votes and if McCready is now ahead, he's the winner

I think it’s votes they didn’t count that were thrown away. 

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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

Correction- you’re right they were fraudulent votes. But they don’t know how many they were. 

In any event, McCready and the Dems seem to be celebrating the call for a new election as a victory, so maybe it was a full capitulation by Harris 

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When Cooper became governer, the Republican controlled houses limited his power.  The also took away his appointments for the election board and giving that power to them.

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On 2/21/2019 at 5:39 PM, Sheriff Bart said:

A strong message needs to be sent. Like a black man selling crack in the 80's message. 

Seems like there has to be a federal crime in there somewhere, no?

Let's charge Dowless with everything under the sun and see what he has to say.

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15 hours ago, The Z Machine said:

As I said before, someone needs to do hard time for this.

More likely to get a cabinet position.

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On 2/21/2019 at 5:04 PM, Henry Ford said:
On 2/21/2019 at 2:23 PM, [scooter] said:

Score one for the integrity of an Assistant US Attorney. 

When a U.S. attorney lies, he can lose his job. When a Baptist pastor lies, he can confess his sin and be forgiven.

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On 2/21/2019 at 6:25 PM, Tom Skerritt said:

Interesting that @GoBirds and @jon_mx are both notably absent clamoring for Republicans to capitulate. 

Amazing isn't it?  Noonan? Jon?  Knowledge Dropper? Stealth? Where are all the conservatives mouths?  Election fraud is one of Trump's biggest lies. He loves running his mouth about it. Now we have actual proof that he exists. And lo and behold, the fraud comes from the Republicans. Yet they're avoiding this thread like the plague. 😆

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15 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

Amazing isn't it?  Noonan? Jon?  Knowledge Dropper? Stealth? Where are all the conservatives mouths?  Election fraud is one of Trump's biggest lies. He loves running his mouth about it. Now we have actual proof that he exists. And lo and behold, the fraud comes from the Republicans. Yet they're avoiding this thread like the plague. 😆

Right?! And they’ll come in saying “but they’re having a new election” and that’s great and all. But where is the outrage? Such hypocrites. 

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28 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

Amazing isn't it?  Noonan? Jon?   Knowledge Dropper? Stealth? Where are all the conservatives mouths?  Election fraud is one of Trump's biggest lies. He loves running his mouth about it. Now we have actual proof that he exists. And lo and behold, the fraud comes from the Republicans. Yet they're avoiding this thread like the plague. 😆

@jon_mxElections In North Carolina are Dead! There will never be another election. 

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Oh, I saw this thread had a few new responses. Thought maybe one of the Trump crew checked in to apologize for pretending it was the Democrats we had to worry about with election fraud. But nope. They're still pretending they didn't hear about this.

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5 minutes ago, timschochet said:

@jon_mxElections In North Carolina are Dead! There will never be another election. 

Keep doing your false  narratives and personalization.  It is easily the #1 reason for the suckiness of this forum.  Just ignore the topic.  It seems you care more about attacking me than supporting these brave women.  Or are they only brave when they attack conservatives?  

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4 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

Oh, I saw this thread had a few new responses. Thought maybe one of the Trump crew checked in to apologize for pretending it was the Democrats we had to worry about with election fraud. But nope. They're still pretending they didn't hear about this.

No, it is just Tim posting cross topics.  

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Just now, jon_mx said:

Keep doing your false  narratives and personalization.  It is easily the #1 reason for the suckiness of this forum.  Just ignore the topic.  It seems you care more about attacking me than supporting these brave women.  Or are they only brave when they attack conservatives?  

You have a strange definition of attacks. For the record I wasn’t attacking you; I was making fun of the absurdity of your argument that, because a few Democrats haven’t behaved well, the entire metoo movement is officially dead. 

That argument is so silly on its face that I would feel ashamed and undignified to offer any kind of serious rebuttal. My only recourse is to offer mocking humor. 

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2 minutes ago, timschochet said:

You have a strange definition of attacks. For the record I wasn’t attacking you; I was making fun of the absurdity of your argument that, because a few Democrats haven’t behaved well, the entire metoo movement is officially dead. 

That argument is so silly on its face that I would feel ashamed and undignified to offer any kind of serious rebuttal. My only recourse is to offer mocking humor. 

Oh no, going back to the other thread and projecting that I support racist policies is not an attack.  Come on Tim 

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Just now, jon_mx said:

Oh no, going back to the other thread and projecting that I support racist policies is not an attack.  Come on Tim 

When did I project that you support racist policies? 

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12 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

No, it is just Tim posting cross topics.  

How do you feel about the Republican party trying to steal elections like this? 

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