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November 30-January 1 was what I saw on one of the parlors. That's really not that long when you're trying to make a human trafficking case.
City inspectors observed that there were sleeping arrangements, bedding, and personal effects/clothing bags in the facility during a business inspection, which made them suspect human trafficking.
I think they also noticed the refrigerator was heavily stocked with food and beverages that suggested there were numerous people living there.
At the Orchid (that's the one Kraft visited, right?)? I get that that is what started the whole investigation into the suspected ring, but I thought that (the inspector seeing suitcases, etc.) was at another place.
Just sounds long to me as a layman but if that's what it takes I get it.
They busted some places locally a few years ago like this. The local news crews went out there and everything. There's one area of town all these places were in and the police went through a few months of raiding them. I kept being surprised how just a couple weeks later dudes would get caught up in it just after the one next to it had been raided.
There are asian takeouts and small markets on a strip of a main road near me where I swear they must all live in the back. No cars or bus stop nearby but all kinds of employees there. For all I know everyone there is there in a legit way but who knows for sure.
Growing up there was a massage parlor about 3 miles from me called the Bangkok Spa. One day when my mom was sitting at a stop light near the Spa, she saw a young Asian girl run out of the place dressed in what looked like a short nightie, and she was barefooted. Mom said the girl looked scared to death, and she ran across the road (which was 4 lanes) towards a little strip mall where the Post Office and a few other shops were. The Spa got busted in the early 90s for soliciting prostitution. Human trafficking was involved.
Way off topic, but this strikes me as an absurd statement. You have no idea if this is true.
I know that no police officers I have spoken with get no sexual pleasure from watching footage from prostitution and human trafficking stings at all. And a group that would specifically be sexually aroused by an act involving Robert Kraft would be an even smaller subset than "sexual please from watching any such act." Which is a fairly substantial amount of information to take into the discussion. I'm comfortable with my assessment.
You don't know that. They might TELL you that, but you don't know it to be true. It's ridiculous to pretend otherwise. I do agree that is unlikely that very many people would enjoy viewing such behavior.
Initially, the intended product of the act has to be the video, not the sex act. Which was definitely not the case here.
I think a few things are at play there.Sheriff Bart said:
at the nothingburger. 
In all fairness, JB, this is the Kraft thread, though, and there is nothing tying Kraft to trafficking. THAT is the nothingburger in this particular thread. Just my
For sure. That's why I said "It's business as usual. Kraft was at the Oscars. The general consensus from lots of folks isIn all fairness, JB, this is the Kraft thread, though, and there is nothing tying Kraft to trafficking. THAT is the nothingburger in this particular thread. Just my
at the nothingburger. "
Double billing..... pfft.Judge Smails said:
I meant in the the traditional media. It was reported and then went away almost just as fast. I haven't seen anything on Google news or any traditional news source. Point is, billionaires get away with pretty much anything because everyone is scared of them.I think a few things are at play there.
1. It's 17 pages. Most of what's going to be said was said.
2. As we talked earlier, most people don't really care too much beyond the initial response.
3. Once it was determined this particular location didn't seem to be involved in human trafficking, everyone went back to what they're doing. Ignoring the reality human trafficking still happens. It just wasn't right here. So people can feel ok about not caring.
4. It's business as usual. Kraft was at the Oscars. The general consensus from lots of folks is
There were a ton of other dudes on that list that didn't get outed to the national media. I agree on the billionaires getting away with stuff, but the flipside is that if it were one of us, it would not have made the news at all, and we could slink through our lives paying the fine and just dealing with our consciences.
Law guys, what's the advantage of pleading not guilty when there is video evidence? My layman's assumption is that Kraft's legal team might refute the video evidence (or the way it was gathered) and seek to have that thrown out, but I'm just spitballing.
That has not been determined.I think a few things are at play there.
1. It's 17 pages. Most of what's going to be said was said.
2. As we talked earlier, most people don't really care too much beyond the initial response.
3. Once it was determined this particular location didn't seem to be involved in human trafficking, everyone went back to what they're doing. Ignoring the reality human trafficking still happens. It just wasn't right here. So people can feel ok about not caring.
4. It's business as usual. Kraft was at the Oscars. The general consensus from lots of folks is
Nothing I've read has determined one way or the other if human trafficking was happening at that location, and in fact the prosecutor said that we would find out if those charges would happen later.
i knew this was going to happen. sad, but that's where we're at. that's what henry is railing on about. nothing will really happen, and nobody really gives a ####.
That can't be right. Everyone really hates sexual exploitation and sex trafficking. And there are charges for both of those in the statewide sting this story was one small piece of.
I don't know. Why does anyone ever plead guilty, then?
I assumed, apparently incorrectly, there must be some. Why answer a question with a question? 
I assume you mean "why does anyone ever plead guilty, then?"I don't know. Why does anyone ever plead not guilty, then?
Yes, sorry. Guess it's just something I hadn't given much thought and didn't know if there was some legal strategy to that which I was not aware of.
Even if you’re not going to win, if you’re rich enough that the legal fees don’t matter there isn’t really a downside in my opinion. Even if you just get a favorable sentencing agreement, it’s better than just accepting whatever happens.
With unlimited money and lawyers showing up for you why not? But what about the poor schlub that just wants to get on with his life without going broke? Maybe just take what is offered?
You have to wait to get the offer first. And you won't get one if you plead guilty.
Asking the Lawyerguys here, if you're a non Patriot fan young lawyer, aren't you champing at the bit to take this on? Why offer anything if there's video?
