Capella
Footballguy
Right. I read something the other day though that said he was interested in seeing what else the character had.
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The Joker (w/ Joaquin Phoenix) (2 Viewers)
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Broke down and got tix for my Tuesday off. Wife is going too - I think it might be the first movie we see together in about 15+ years in the theater? 
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I am surprised at so many gushing reviews. In the end I thought this was a pretty damn good performance that masked a pretty bad movie - so I guess it was average at best if you average the two? 
Still don't feel like I would give it a 5/10 because I thought in the end it was inconsistent and kind of pointless.
Like I said on the positive - I think Phoenix was great, and I would watch him in just about anything. I really think he is one of the best living actors working today. The way he did the laugh while crying thing was mesmerizing and heartbreaking. He seems to morph into his roles and add these interesting little touches. I also thought it was pretty well shot and there were some really good looking scenes.
That said, I don't know what the point of having this as a Joker movie was. It basically felt like Phillips wanted to do a school-boy mashup of some Scorsese stuff he likes, but the studio wouldn't greenlight it unless they had a marketable comic book villain in it. If it's supposed to be the origin of the Joker we know, I don't buy for a second this guy is some organized supervillain capable keeping up with Batman. On top of that, it seems like there were all sorts of inconsistencies in the story and what he was saying, such as: this isn't a political thing, but two minutes later I will make it a political thing on the talk show with a rant and blaming society after he find out that it was his mom's fault. Mostly it felt like it was just presenting obvious themes/statements but not really digging deeper into any of them - income disparity bad, cutting funds bad, etc. Was there a point to giving it a 70s vibe besides the obvious homage to Taxi Driver/King of Comedy? (don't get me started on the casting of DeNiro) The themes, ideas, and details didn't seem to be set in that time. Maybe I watch too many dark drama movies, but I also don't get the comments about how disturbing this was or how dark it was - it's not like this was Requiem or something. I do admit, I was a lot more on board with the movie until the final act. Then I thought I was being hit over the head with stuff and it left a bad taste in my mouth. Things like his final "joke", having to show the flashbacks with the girl down the hall, the stuff with the crowd/riot, and I was tapping out.
Still don't feel like I would give it a 5/10 because I thought in the end it was inconsistent and kind of pointless. Like I said on the positive - I think Phoenix was great, and I would watch him in just about anything. I really think he is one of the best living actors working today. The way he did the laugh while crying thing was mesmerizing and heartbreaking. He seems to morph into his roles and add these interesting little touches. I also thought it was pretty well shot and there were some really good looking scenes.
That said, I don't know what the point of having this as a Joker movie was. It basically felt like Phillips wanted to do a school-boy mashup of some Scorsese stuff he likes, but the studio wouldn't greenlight it unless they had a marketable comic book villain in it. If it's supposed to be the origin of the Joker we know, I don't buy for a second this guy is some organized supervillain capable keeping up with Batman. On top of that, it seems like there were all sorts of inconsistencies in the story and what he was saying, such as: this isn't a political thing, but two minutes later I will make it a political thing on the talk show with a rant and blaming society after he find out that it was his mom's fault. Mostly it felt like it was just presenting obvious themes/statements but not really digging deeper into any of them - income disparity bad, cutting funds bad, etc. Was there a point to giving it a 70s vibe besides the obvious homage to Taxi Driver/King of Comedy? (don't get me started on the casting of DeNiro) The themes, ideas, and details didn't seem to be set in that time. Maybe I watch too many dark drama movies, but I also don't get the comments about how disturbing this was or how dark it was - it's not like this was Requiem or something. I do admit, I was a lot more on board with the movie until the final act. Then I thought I was being hit over the head with stuff and it left a bad taste in my mouth. Things like his final "joke", having to show the flashbacks with the girl down the hall, the stuff with the crowd/riot, and I was tapping out.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
The bloody footprints imply as much, and I have 0 clue how or why he didn't run into any security until about 5mins of dancing later.
Insein
Footballguy
Cause it's a movie. About the joker. Joker is a bad guy that thinks murder is funny.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
dgreen
Footballguy
The movie was a mix of "comic book" and "not comic book." That part was all "comic book." That's my explanation. Same as how he was able to grab his mother's file and run away with it.
Insein
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
After the bleakness of the rest of the movie, that's what the crowd is supposed to be left saying?
I get it, I seem to be in the minority on this one, just thought the last bit of the movie was pretty bad.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
I’d say no, i wouldn’t consider it a comic book movie at all. And it’s not really “scary”, but there are some pretty graphic straight up murder scenes
Capella
Footballguy
I’d say no. 15 would be the age I would allow a kid to go. The last 30 minutes are straight up graphic.
Insein
Footballguy
Not scary. Not a comic book movie. More a psychological study into human nature.
So a) he'll be super bored probably and b) the murders are very realistic.
The Noid
Avoid me!
This was what I landed on after reading the reviews (and tried to convince him of, when we told him it was a no-go.) Thanks, all.
skycriesmary
Climbing up the Walls
Insein
Footballguy
The script and the edit sucked balls. I thought he had potential to be something different but good if he was the main villain. Why even have joker in a movie if he's a non essential side character.
offdee
Footballguy
Reading here about the final therapy scene being needed to imply ambiguity about what was real and what was hallucinations, makes some sense. But, I felt in the moment it was hokey ( “The End” in yellow script ???) and it would’ve been a much more epic ending with young Bruce Wayne looking out to see Joker arms outstretched being worshipped by his new followers. Cut to black.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I can't argue with you on those points, but I sure liked it a lot.I am surprised at so many gushing reviews. In the end I thought this was a pretty damn good performance that masked a pretty bad movie - so I guess it was average at best if you average the two?
Like I said on the positive - I think Phoenix was great, and I would watch him in just about anything. I really think he is one of the best living actors working today. The way he did the laugh while crying thing was mesmerizing and heartbreaking. He seems to morph into his roles and add these interesting little touches. I also thought it was pretty well shot and there were some really good looking scenes.
That said, I don't know what the point of having this as a Joker movie was. It basically felt like Phillips wanted to do a school-boy mashup of some Scorsese stuff he likes, but the studio wouldn't greenlight it unless they had a marketable comic book villain in it. If it's supposed to be the origin of the Joker we know, I don't buy for a second this guy is some organized supervillain capable keeping up with Batman. On top of that, it seems like there were all sorts of inconsistencies in the story and what he was saying, such as: this isn't a political thing, but two minutes later I will make it a political thing on the talk show with a rant and blaming society after he find out that it was his mom's fault. Mostly it felt like it was just presenting obvious themes/statements but not really digging deeper into any of them - income disparity bad, cutting funds bad, etc. Was there a point to giving it a 70s vibe besides the obvious homage to Taxi Driver/King of Comedy? (don't get me started on the casting of DeNiro) The themes, ideas, and details didn't seem to be set in that time. Maybe I watch too many dark drama movies, but I also don't get the comments about how disturbing this was or how dark it was - it's not like this was Requiem or something. I do admit, I was a lot more on board with the movie until the final act. Then I thought I was being hit over the head with stuff and it left a bad taste in my mouth. Things like his final "joke", having to show the flashbacks with the girl down the hall, the stuff with the crowd/riot, and I was tapping out.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
This is how I felt. It was interesting and Phoenix was great but I didn't get the ending, the message of the movie seemed scattered (though that is how these mass shooter types think) and the Deniro talk show bit was way too close to King of Comedy for me. Also, it was wildly heavy handed. That sad, it's the best comic book movie in awhile.I am surprised at so many gushing reviews. In the end I thought this was a pretty damn good performance that masked a pretty bad movie - so I guess it was average at best if you average the two?
Like I said on the positive - I think Phoenix was great, and I would watch him in just about anything. I really think he is one of the best living actors working today. The way he did the laugh while crying thing was mesmerizing and heartbreaking. He seems to morph into his roles and add these interesting little touches. I also thought it was pretty well shot and there were some really good looking scenes.
That said, I don't know what the point of having this as a Joker movie was. It basically felt like Phillips wanted to do a school-boy mashup of some Scorsese stuff he likes, but the studio wouldn't greenlight it unless they had a marketable comic book villain in it. If it's supposed to be the origin of the Joker we know, I don't buy for a second this guy is some organized supervillain capable keeping up with Batman. On top of that, it seems like there were all sorts of inconsistencies in the story and what he was saying, such as: this isn't a political thing, but two minutes later I will make it a political thing on the talk show with a rant and blaming society after he find out that it was his mom's fault. Mostly it felt like it was just presenting obvious themes/statements but not really digging deeper into any of them - income disparity bad, cutting funds bad, etc. Was there a point to giving it a 70s vibe besides the obvious homage to Taxi Driver/King of Comedy? (don't get me started on the casting of DeNiro) The themes, ideas, and details didn't seem to be set in that time. Maybe I watch too many dark drama movies, but I also don't get the comments about how disturbing this was or how dark it was - it's not like this was Requiem or something. I do admit, I was a lot more on board with the movie until the final act. Then I thought I was being hit over the head with stuff and it left a bad taste in my mouth. Things like his final "joke", having to show the flashbacks with the girl down the hall, the stuff with the crowd/riot, and I was tapping out.
That really threw me off. So he got captured after being on the police car? How was this sadistic killer allowed to be alone with a woman? I felt that they were hinting almost none of the movie really happened, the Joker imagined it all and his first real killing was that nurse/doctor at the end.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Sure and I suppose it is quite high praise to say it's that movie for this generation even if I didn't think it was great.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I still don't think it was good or coherent enough to be "that movie" for this generation. Or are you saying it's fitting that it's a rehash of all those movies?
McJose
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
You don’t see parallels between this and Clockwork Orange? I’m not saying their plots are similar but the fetishizing of violence is clearly similar and they strike similar chords.
McJose
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
coyote5
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Sequel greenlit
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joker-sequel-works-as-todd-phillips-eyes-more-dc-origin-movies-1256255
Was obvious once it hit a billion dollars. Also, Phillips to develop more origin stories.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joker-sequel-works-as-todd-phillips-eyes-more-dc-origin-movies-1256255
Was obvious once it hit a billion dollars. Also, Phillips to develop more origin stories.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Joker was a rare combination for me. I liked a lot of the components. The acting, sets, costuming, lighting, pacing, most of the story, etc. But the some of the parts was not as good as the parts. So while I would give each of those items high marks, I can’t say I loved the movie overall. Hard to explain, but I would rate the individual pieces 3-3.5 stars but the overall movie 2-2.5 stars. It just felt like something was missing.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Since the cost to make it was so small compared to the traditional comic book film it had a big advantage. Huge hit though, pretty wild for what was basically a wired indie movie.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Scarecrow meets Shutter IslandWhat Scorsese movie is he going to copy for the sequel?
Penguin meets Gangs of New York meets Age of Innocence
Alice Doesn’t Alice Here Anymore meets Catwoman
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I was thinking about:a Justice League sequel set as Gangs of New York
The Penguin movie where he yell at somebody to get their ####in' shinebox
A meditative Superman movie copying Last Temptation of Christ
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skol asylum
Footballguy
I just watched this last night finally.
Wow.
Great performance. Blew away any other Joker actors imo.
Very powerful.
Wow.
Great performance. Blew away any other Joker actors imo.
Very powerful.
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
Best actor at the Golden Globes.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
skol asylum
Footballguy
I didn't see Ledger until a few years after the movie was released. Maybe it was the hype but I didn't think he was that special. I mean he was good, but it didn't blow me away like the hype promised.Jefferson the Caregiver said:
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jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Ledger's performance is one of the best performances in any movie ever made. That said, Joaquin was able to carve out his own interesting take and I loved his acting.Jefferson the Caregiver said:
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ledger was amazing. Phoenix did a great job and carried what otherwise wasn’t a good movie but I have to give the nod to Ledger if for no other reason than the character itself was much better.
