Zyphros 1,410 Posted March 1 (edited) With his workout in the books and his numbers being above average across the board seems like the RB to watch out for. Might be the 2nd biggest winner of the combine at the RB position. He has size 5'10" 5/8 211, was a top25 overall recruit out of high school, played behind Barkley and he looks like Barkley when he runs, he just can't quite do what Barkley can do (nobody can). 24 receptions his last year in school just never had a chance to do more with Barkley ahead. Common theme here just behind a generational player. And now he's proven to be a plus athlete, pass catcher in drills, and smooth as can be at that size with speed.  He made my favorites list a month ago and after this combine he moves into mid 1st consideration for me. Now I just need a landing spot that doesn't kill his value.  Bench press - 20 reps Vert - 36" Broad jump - 10'4" 40 yard dash - 4.45 and 4.5 Edited April 27 by Zyphros 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trader jake 884 Posted March 1 Penn St players have tested above their ability quite a bit the last few years. It may be prudent to temper expectations a bit. That type of enthusiasm had some owners taking Gesiki over Goedert last year at TE. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zyphros 1,410 Posted March 1 Just now, trader jake said: Penn St players have tested above their ability quite a bit the last few years. It may be prudent to temper expectations a bit. That type of enthusiasm had some owners taking Gesiki over Goedert last year at TE. Very true, but that also could be how they recruit. They might be using more athletic measures than other schools and if they don't meet a certain threshold they don't want them. Either way that program has put out good athletes and solid players however you view it.  I didn't have Gesicki over Goedert and I trust my eyes, Sanders passes that test, and then he matched it with athleticism and good showing in drills. If you view it as athleticism first then tape, I think you're doing it wrong. That's how I got suckered into Christine Michael.  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 2,719 Posted March 1 I don't know a lot about Sanders, but he didn't look good to me in the Citrus Bowl. He's projected as a Day 3 pick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
menobrown 2,700 Posted March 1 1 minute ago, Zyphros said:  I didn't have Gesicki over Goedert and I trust my eyes, Sanders passes that test, and then he matched it with athleticism and good showing in drills. After the combine least year I tried to like Gesicki but all I saw was Coby Fleener, who also had an awesome combine. To your point before today, based on how he looked in games, I thought Sanders was most undervalued RB in this class but I think that might be over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinfanjon 237 Posted March 1 I turned in for a sec earlier and they had changed his 1st run to 4.50. Not sure if it changed back or what. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zyphros 1,410 Posted March 1 4 minutes ago, skinfanjon said: I turned in for a sec earlier and they had changed his 1st run to 4.50. Not sure if it changed back or what. Official time is now 4.49 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 4,631 Posted March 1 3 cone? Â Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zyphros 1,410 Posted March 1 16 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said: 3 cone?  I haven't seen any 3 cone for any RB posted yet. I'm thinking they didn't run it yet.  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 3,678 Posted March 1 Quote NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah named Penn State RB Miles Sanders Friday's top performer from the NFL Scouting Combine. No arguments from us. Sanders is a silky smooth glider with organic vision and instinctive cutting ability, but just how explosive he was was a question coming into the combine weekend. Question it no more. The 5-foot-11, 211-pound Nittany Lions product rocked the 40-yard dash in an unofficial 4.45 seconds on Friday while posting jumps of 36 inches (vertical) and 124 inches (broad). Don't be surprised if Sanders starts to legitimately work his way into the Round 2 conversation. SOURCE:Â Greg Pickel on Twitter Mar 1, 2019, 1:25 PM Â Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 3,678 Posted March 1 Miles Sanders' 40-yard dash at NFL Combine vs. Saquon Barkley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 4,631 Posted March 1 http://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker#day=friday his 3 cone was a very nice 6.89...……. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bojang0301 2,246 Posted March 1  2 hours ago, JohnnyU said: I don't know a lot about Sanders, but he didn't look good to me in the Citrus Bowl. He's projected as a Day 3 pick. It certainly was a fun time in January when you trashed me for having him over Snell. Guess what? That’s happening in rookie drafts now for sure. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gandalf 495 Posted March 1 3 hours ago, Zyphros said: With his workout in the books and his numbers being above average across the board seems like the RB to watch out for. Might be the 2nd biggest winner of the combine at the RB position. He has size 5'10" 5/8 211, was a top25 overall recruit out of high school, played behind Barkley and he looks like Barkley when he runs, he just can't quite do what Barkley can do (nobody can). 24 receptions his last year in school just never had a chance to do more with Barkley ahead. Common theme here just behind a generational player. And now he's proven to be a plus athlete, pass catcher in drills, and smooth as can be at that size with speed.  He made my favorites list a month ago and after this combine he moves into mid 1st consideration for me. Now I just need a landing spot that doesn't kill his value.  Bench press - 20 reps Vert - 36" Broad jump - 10'4" 40 yard dash - 4.45 and 4.5 Agree with all 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloppbeast 994 Posted March 2 4 hours ago, JohnnyU said: He's projected as a Day 3 pick. Doubtful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
menobrown 2,700 Posted March 2 4 hours ago, Zyphros said:  Might be the 2nd biggest winner of the combine at the RB position.  I'd have gone with best day at RB position myself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 2,719 Posted March 2 29 minutes ago, cloppbeast said: Doubtful. What round to you see him going in? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 2,719 Posted March 2 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bojang0301 said:  It certainly was a fun time in January when you trashed me for having him over Snell. Guess what? That’s happening in rookie drafts now for sure. Where he goes in fantasy rookie drafts is irrelevant. What they do on Sunday is relevant.  I believe Snell is the better runner because he has better vision and 897 yards after contact. Sanders 661. Neither has demonstrated great ability in the passing game, but Snell has shown he is capable in screens and dump off plays and is a great pass protector. Sanders, not as much in pass protection. If you watched the Citrus Bowl it was all on the table and Snell was clearly the better running back.. If you didn't watch the Citrus Bowl and are interested in these two RBs, I highly recommend you watch it. Then get back to me. Edited March 2 by JohnnyU Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloppbeast 994 Posted March 2 14 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: What round to you see him going in? 2nd -Â 3rd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 2,719 Posted March 2 Just now, cloppbeast said: 2nd -Â 3rd Not a chance on God's green earth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloppbeast 994 Posted March 2 His rushing stats are nearly identical to Barkley's junior year. Although Sanders didnt even catch half as many passes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 2,719 Posted March 2 (edited) 8 minutes ago, cloppbeast said: His rushing stats are nearly identical to Barkley's junior year. Although Sanders didnt even catch half as many passes. Go watch the Citrus Bowl and tell me Sanders is better than Snell. Forget the stats, even though Snell looks better between the tackles, has better vision, and has better yards after contact, and is better at pass protection. Forget all that, put it out of your mind and watch that game....please. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRgmWJO6jFo Edited March 2 by JohnnyU Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 20,116 Posted March 2 I’m just not excited. I know he tested well but PSU has some kind of magic in their strength and conditioning. I’m not buying it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 4,631 Posted March 2 10 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: Go watch the Citrus Bowl and tell me Sanders is better than Snell. Forget the stats, even though Snell looks better between the tackles, has better vision, and has better yards after contact, and is better at pass protection. Forget all that, put it out of your mind and watch that game....please. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRgmWJO6jFo Honestly Johnny you are a uk,homer right??? And you probably,watched sanders in the citruus bowl only right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
menobrown 2,700 Posted March 2 7 minutes ago, Ilov80s said: I’m just not excited. I know he tested well but PSU has some kind of magic in their strength and conditioning. I’m not buying it. Other then testing well his rushing numbers were almost identical to Saquon's the previous season. This is not just a workout warrior. I'm not saying this after the fact, before today I thought he was the most undervalued rookie RB going and could not figure out why he was not talked about more but those days are over now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 2,719 Posted March 2 4 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said: Honestly Johnny you are a uk,homer right??? And you probably,watched sanders in the citruus bowl only right? True, and true, but do me a favor and watch that game. Forget the numbers, even though Snell's is better overall and is a LOT better between the tackles and in pass pro, just take the time and watch the game. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 4,631 Posted March 2 (edited) 21 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: Go watch the Citrus Bowl and tell me Sanders is better than Snell. Forget the stats, even though Snell looks better between the tackles, has better vision, and has better yards after contact, and is better at pass protection. Forget all that, put it out of your mind and watch that game....please. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRgmWJO6jFo for the season snell 5.0 avg....Sanders 5.8 ? Snell with more carries....PSU was and odd team this year, never seemed to click, I remember him destroying sparty this year pretty well, I think Sparty ranked pretty highly vs the run this past year Edited March 2 by bicycle_seat_sniffer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinfanjon 237 Posted March 2 50 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: Not a chance on God's green earth. Someone bookmark this please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bojang0301 2,246 Posted March 2 57 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: Where he goes in fantasy rookie drafts is irrelevant. What they do on Sunday is relevant.  I believe Snell is the better runner because he has better vision and 897 yards after contact. Sanders 661. Neither has demonstrated great ability in the passing game, but Snell has shown he is capable in screens and dump off plays and is a great pass protector. Sanders, not as much in pass protection. If you watched the Citrus Bowl it was all on the table and Snell was clearly the better running back.. If you didn't watch the Citrus Bowl and are interested in these two RBs, I highly recommend you watch it. Then get back to me. I highly doubt you have a clue what you’re seeing. I, unlike you, don’t put stock into what my eyes and gut see because I have tangible evidence in numbers. You want to keep pretending it’s 1985, have at it boss. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 4,631 Posted March 2 12 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: True, and true, but do me a favor and watch that game. Forget the numbers, even though Snell's is better overall and is a LOT better between the tackles and in pass pro, just take the time and watch the game. He had a better bowl game, big deal, besides the playoffs bowl games are just about meaningless...sometimes we have to take our homer glasses off Johnny. Didn't Kentucky jump out to a big lead in that game?  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 20,116 Posted March 2 18 minutes ago, menobrown said: Other then testing well his rushing numbers were almost identical to Saquon's the previous season. This is not just a workout warrior. I'm not saying this after the fact, before today I thought he was the most undervalued rookie RB going and could not figure out why he was not talked about more but those days are over now. I am not a film scout but what I saw on tape reminded me nothing of Saquon and he's missing the key to the Barkley elite RB recipe. 54/632 vs 24/139 receiving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bojang0301 2,246 Posted March 2 Hey Johnny, do me a favor and we can go like for like. You go and watch Josh Jacobs vs. Citadel and I’ll go and watch the Miles Sanders game you want me to. Then we can have an honest discussion about how players should be viewed prior to the combine, after the combine and after the draft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 2,719 Posted March 2 (edited) 6 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said: He had a better bowl game, big deal, besides the playoffs bowl games are just about meaningless...sometimes we have to take our homer glasses off Johnny. Didn't Kentucky jump out to a big lead in that game?  Ok, if you're intent on not watching that game just look at highlights and numbers. Snell overall still trumps Sanders in ever facet except ypc and it is close. He's better between the tackles, has better vision, is better after contact, and is better in pass protection. I didn't want to go there, but since you did there you go. All I asked was for you to watch the game and concentrate on the two players. Edited March 2 by JohnnyU Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinfanjon 237 Posted March 2 1 minute ago, JohnnyU said: Ok, if you're intent on not watching that game just look at highlights and numbers. Snell overall still trumps Sanders in ever facet except ypc and it is close. He's better between the tackles, has better vision, is better after contact, and is better in pass protection. I didn't want to go there, but since you did there you go. All I asked was for you to watch the game and concentrate on the two players. Saying Snell has better vision is laughable. Sanders has the best vision in this class by a country mile. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 2,719 Posted March 2 Just now, skinfanjon said: Saying Snell has better vision is laughable. Sanders has the best vision in this class by a country mile. Why would you say that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 4,631 Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: Ok, if you're intent on not watching that game just look at highlights and numbers. Snell overall still trumps Sanders in ever facet except ypc and it is close. He's better between the tackles, has better vision, is better after contact, and is better in pass protection. I didn't want to go there, but since you did there you go. All I asked was for you to watch the game and concentrate on the two players.  Just now, skinfanjon said: Saying Snell has better vision is laughable. Sanders has the best vision in this class by a country mile. Vision isn't a tangible skill that can be measured Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 2,719 Posted March 2 Just now, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:  Vision isn't a tangible skill that can be measured I say that about Snell because of the way he gains yards between the tackles. That is tangible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bojang0301 2,246 Posted March 2 1 minute ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:  Vision isn't a tangible skill that can be measured Actually Graham Barfields Yards Created tries to measure the RB’s impact independent of the OLine. Which is sort of a roundabout way to judge vision. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 4,631 Posted March 2 5 minutes ago, Ilov80s said: I am not a film scout but what I saw on tape reminded me nothing of Saquon and he's missing the key to the Barkley elite RB recipe. 54/632 vs 24/139 receiving. Sanders looked really smooth today in the pass catching drills.....glided out there....I will say this, HC Franklin should be winning more with this talent he is sending to the NFL.  1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinfanjon 237 Posted March 2 3 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:  Vision isn't a tangible skill that can be measured Shrug. 4 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: Why would you say that? It'll be more clear in 8-9 months. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bojang0301 2,246 Posted March 2 So I’ve probably lead the rally here against Johnny for reasons mostly obscure (just him being overly critical because he only wants to explore numbers that fit his narrative) but it’s ok that he thinks Snell is better. Snell does have a nice market share and Yards after contact. That’s not my problem. My problem is it’s disingenuous. He and others will not use the same metric he is pointing to for Snell to justify putting Josh Jacobs at 1.01. As far as I’m concerned this is a bad class but I don’t really see much difference between Sanders or Jacobs or Weber or even someone like Alex Barnes. As far as Snell goes... if he’s going to have fan boys there is no difference between him and Alexander Mattison. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 20,116 Posted March 2 4 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said: Sanders looked really smooth today in the pass catching drills.....glided out there....I will say this, HC Franklin should be winning more with this talent he is sending to the NFL.  That is good but why didn't they use him more in the passing game? Why wasn't he as effective as Saquon when given those chances? Clearly it is an offense that is willing to pass to the RB given what Saquon did in 2017. I wonder if they are recruiting athletes more than football players? Is their S&D focusing more on these kind of drill results than football results? Was it just a wild statistical anomaly that PSU had 3 99th percentile level testers last year? Also, Franklin does not impress me and the coaches blew that tOSU game this year but the Penn State program has been plagued by some awful QBs who somehow had tons of hype. Talk about tying an anchor to one's team. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 2,719 Posted March 2 3 minutes ago, skinfanjon said: Shrug. It'll be more clear in 8-9 months. We could go back and forth on this, but Snell has the better resume and had the better game between the two in the Citrus Bowl. I guarantee you that Snell has a better chance at early down work than Miles Sanders ever will. Snell will gain more yards after contact, will be better in pass protection, and is tougher.  What asset does Sanders have over Snell? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bojang0301 2,246 Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: We could go back and forth on this, but Snell has the better resume and had the better game between the two in the Citrus Bowl. I guarantee you that Snell has a better chance at early down work than Miles Sanders ever will. Snell will gain more yards after contact, will be better in pass protection, and is tougher.  What asset does Sanders have over Snell? Athleticism Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinfanjon 237 Posted March 2 3 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: We could go back and forth on this, but Snell has the better resume and had the better game between the two in the Citrus Bowl. I guarantee you that Snell has a better chance at early down work than Miles Sanders ever will. Snell will gain more yards after contact, will be better in pass protection, and is tougher.  What asset does Sanders have over Snell? For starters, he has the perfect name for a RB haha. But really, vision. And what the guy above just said, athleticism. Prediction: Snell is a JAG, won't amount to ish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 2,719 Posted March 2 1 minute ago, Bojang0301 said: Athleticism wow, OK. No sense in arguing it any further. I don't think I can make a claim for Snell over Sanders any better than i already have. I can respect your opinion and disagree. I've already made a great case for Snell over Sanders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 2,719 Posted March 2 Just now, skinfanjon said: For starters, he has the perfect name for a RB haha. But really, vision. And what the guy above just said, athleticism. Prediction: Snell is a JAG, won't amount to ish. Sanders is below JAG. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bojang0301 2,246 Posted March 2 Benny Snell Alex Collins Jordan Wilkins Miles Sanders 🎵one of these things is not like the others🎵 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
menobrown 2,700 Posted March 2 15 minutes ago, Ilov80s said: I am not a film scout but what I saw on tape reminded me nothing of Saquon and he's missing the key to the Barkley elite RB recipe. 54/632 vs 24/139 receiving. Agree on pass catching disparity and not trying to say he looks like Barkley just saying he was productive as rusher, not just a workout warrior. And not for nothing but I for one got so caught up in how good of a reciever that Barkley is but I kind of slept on fact he went for 1300 and 5 YPC behind a horrible OL. That he could be as productive in the same offense is something I find encouraging. Also I liked what I saw on tape myself. Not wowed, did not know he'd test this well, but he looked on tape to me like an NFL starter. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bojang0301 2,246 Posted March 2 Just now, JohnnyU said: Sanders is below JAG. BS see post above. Listed three JAG plodders and one with actual athleticism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites