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11 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

Eagles’ GM Howie Roseman on Philadelphia’s second-round pick, Penn St. RB Miles Sanders: “Miles was a staff favorite, a coaching staff favorite, a personnel staff favorite, all of us, front office favorite....We think he's a special talent and a perfect fit for our offense.”

That's it he's off my draft board. ;)

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1 hour ago, Zyphros said:

The fact that Wendell Smallwood even made the roster is atrocious.  The fact they didn't use Josh Adams more down the stretch is astounding.  The fact they didn't use Clement in crucial situations when he proved he could is .... what's another "a" word that is similar to atrocious and astounding?

That coaching staff has proved to me that they don't know what they want, or what to do with the talent they have.  It's less about the RBBC for me and more a lack of faith in the coaching staff and the offensive scheme.  I honestly don't know what Wentz is since he's always hurt.  No identity = lost coaching staff to me. 

 

asinine, awful, ######tery, an abomination.

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He reminds me a lot of LeVeon Bell. I'm fine with the situation, runningbacks with talent find ways to steal the starting job if only temporarily. He's very patient behind his blocking and I like that because it is an intangible skill. He's good enough. He's not great.

If he puts on some weight and can become more explosive, he can be a 1,000 yard rusher. Right now, we hope that he gains equal footing with Jordan Howard. In theory, the team has more invested in Miles Sanders. If either guy gets hurt, which as we know RBs tend to do, either guy becomes a low end RB2. Think Kerryon Johnson from last year.

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Howard is a little of a mystery.   Howard should get the first crack at being the "lead" back getting most of the touches.  He can be good and could be steady enough to keep Sanders on the bench.   But, Howard will lose touches quickly if he looks pedestrian and that open door could be huge for Sanders.   He has some juice.  It's going to be a fun O to watch for sure.  

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2 hours ago, DocHolliday said:

Howard is a little of a mystery.   Howard should get the first crack at being the "lead" back getting most of the touches.  He can be good and could be steady enough to keep Sanders on the bench.   But, Howard will lose touches quickly if he looks pedestrian and that open door could be huge for Sanders.   He has some juice.  It's going to be a fun O to watch for sure.  

In Howard's defense, teams didn't respect Chicago's passing game at all last year, and basically dared them to pass, which is why Trubisky's total numbers looked good, even though he really wasn't very good. That won't happen in Philly, so I expect Howard will be a lot more efficient at the very least in 2019. 

ETA: Howard's rate stats also look worse than they should, because he was constantly running out the clock, as the Bears D lead to many big leads. I still believe Howard to be a solid NFL starter, and feel the Bears made a mistake trading him.

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Speaking in Saturday's post-draft presser, Eagles GM Howie Roseman said the team had been looking for a running back like second-rounder Miles Sanders "for a few years."

"We've been looking for a runner like Miles for a few years," was Roseman's exact quote. The Eagles have been known as a team that likes a wide-ranging committee at running back under coach Doug Pederson, but they have also never invested many resources in the position. 2017 fourth-round gadget player Donnel Pumphrey had been the highest Roseman/Pederson selected a runner. An explosive three-down talent, Sanders could quite easily emerge as the lead dog in the Eagles' 2019 backfield. His presence is bad news for Jordan Howard, Wendell Smallwood, Corey Clement, etc.

SOURCE: Reuben Frank on Twitter

Apr 29, 2019, 11:23 AM

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Some data on RBBC: over Doug Pederson's 3 seasons, in their average game Philly's highest-workload RB got the ball 15.3 times (that's the number of carries+targets for the RB who had the most carries+targets that game). Here's how that compares with some other teams (I had to go one team at a time on PFR to get these numbers, so I only looked at the east divisions):

24.5 Dallas
20.0 Buffalo
18.9 NY Giants
18.4 NY Jets
18.4 Miami
18.1 New England
18.0 Washington
15.3 Philadelphia

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1 hour ago, ZWK said:

Some data on RBBC: over Doug Pederson's 3 seasons, in their average game Philly's highest-workload RB got the ball 15.3 times (that's the number of carries+targets for the RB who had the most carries+targets that game). Here's how that compares with some other teams (I had to go one team at a time on PFR to get these numbers, so I only looked at the east divisions):

24.5 Dallas
20.0 Buffalo
18.9 NY Giants
18.4 NY Jets
18.4 Miami
18.1 New England
18.0 Washington
15.3 Philadelphia

Zikes

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I just don't know.

 

Love love love the tape.  In the right situation, he could be a stud.

I do worry about the 16 other RB's on the roster.  

We won't do our rookie draft until early the pre-season, so I'm hopeful it's a bit more clear.  But my first pick isn't until 9 so it likely won't matter.

 

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On ‎5‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 5:39 PM, fruity pebbles said:

Zikes

and the scary part is that with Philly it could have been 4/5 different RBs that at some point were the "highest-workload RB" .

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6 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

and the scary part is that with Philly it could have been 4/5 different RBs that at some point were the "highest-workload RB" .

7 RBs.

9 games led by LeGarrette Blount (14.3 plays/game)
8 games led by Ryan Mathews (17.4 plays/game)
8 games led by Wendell Smallwood (14.6 plays/game)
7 games led by Darren Sproles (16.3 plays/game)
7 games led by Jay Ajayi (14.9 plays/game)
6 games led by Josh Adams (14.3 plays/game)
3 games led by Corey Clement (15.0 plays/game)

This was over 3 seasons (48 games). For comparison, Dallas:

39 games led by Ezekiel Elliott (26.4 plays/game)
6 games led by Alfred Morris (17.7 plays/game)
2 games led by Rod Smith (13.0 plays/game)
1 game led by Darren McFadden (15.0 plays/game)

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Last season I had Smallwood/Clement/Adams rostered in a deep league as wait-and-see stashes. To me, it does look like the system will prevent any RB from being worth the roster space. Already dropped Adams (before the draft) and won't even bother targeting Sanders. Fool me twice... can't get fooled again!

 

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1 hour ago, ZWK said:

7 RBs.

9 games led by LeGarrette Blount (14.3 plays/game)
8 games led by Ryan Mathews (17.4 plays/game)
8 games led by Wendell Smallwood (14.6 plays/game)
7 games led by Darren Sproles (16.3 plays/game)
7 games led by Jay Ajayi (14.9 plays/game)
6 games led by Josh Adams (14.3 plays/game)
3 games led by Corey Clement (15.0 plays/game)

This was over 3 seasons (48 games). For comparison, Dallas:

39 games led by Ezekiel Elliott (26.4 plays/game)
6 games led by Alfred Morris (17.7 plays/game)
2 games led by Rod Smith (13.0 plays/game)
1 game led by Darren McFadden (15.0 plays/game)

It could well be that they just haven't found somebody they trust to be the workhorse.    All the guys on this list either have a limited skill set or can't stay healthy.    I'm not sure that it's safe to assume that it is a system thing.

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54 minutes ago, Flying Elvis said:

Last season I had Smallwood/Clement/Adams rostered in a deep league as wait-and-see stashes. To me, it does look like the system will prevent any RB from being worth the roster space. Already dropped Adams (before the draft) and won't even bother targeting Sanders. Fool me twice... can't get fooled again!

 

Those guys are <jags. Miles actually be good.

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44 minutes ago, Marauder said:

It could well be that they just haven't found somebody they trust to be the workhorse.    All the guys on this list either have a limited skill set or can't stay healthy.    I'm not sure that it's safe to assume that it is a system thing.

 

25 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Those guys are <jags. Miles actually be good.

It is likely if they got a Zeke-level RB he would get the majority of the carries most of the time.  But I still expect him to get fewer (and a smaller %) in Phi than he would in Dal.

Coaching philosophy.

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1 minute ago, Arodin said:

 

It is likely if they got a Zeke-level RB he would get the majority of the carries most of the time.  But I still expect him to get fewer (and a smaller %) in Phi than he would in Dal.

Coaching philosophy.

There are only a couple RBs that get a Zeke workload. That’s a rare beast these days.

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On 5/4/2019 at 3:04 PM, ZWK said:

Some data on RBBC: over Doug Pederson's 3 seasons, in their average game Philly's highest-workload RB got the ball 15.3 times (that's the number of carries+targets for the RB who had the most carries+targets that game). Here's how that compares with some other teams (I had to go one team at a time on PFR to get these numbers, so I only looked at the east divisions):

24.5 Dallas
20.0 Buffalo
18.9 NY Giants
18.4 NY Jets
18.4 Miami
18.1 New England
18.0 Washington
15.3 Philadelphia

I think this is interesting if you were to do this for all of the teams.

I am just curious about what the average team does. Could be useful information for these types of decisions I think.

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Even if Sanders is all that, I have some concern that Pederson would even want to give the rookie a workhorse role.

After seeing Ajayi, Sproles, and Clement go down at various times last year and thus impact the running game, he may be looking to keep the crew as healthy as possible. 

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3 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

Those guys are <jags. Miles actually be good.

Right. How fair is it to compare Zeke's workload to Corey Clement's? Being that Pederson hasn't had a Leveon Bell in his short tenure, it's hard tell how he would handle it. Its common sense to me that hed have his stud rb on the field the majority of the time. 

 

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2 hours ago, Biabreakable said:

I think this is interesting if you were to do this for all of the teams.

I am just curious about what the average team does. Could be useful information for these types of decisions I think.

The problem with Philly is not just the number of touches the lead RB got, it's that the lead RB was different every week or two.

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30 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

The problem with Philly is not just the number of touches the lead RB got, it's that the lead RB was different every week or two.

Right.

I was just thinking about overall. What is the average number of touches the lead RB gets. As I think it comes up a lot but I'm not sure what that average is right now.

My guess is that its fewer than it was 5 or 10 years ago.

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8 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

Those guys are <jags. Miles actually be good.

Si. Miles represents the greatest amount of capital Howie's spent towards the position since taking (back) over. 

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10 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

The problem with Philly is not just the number of touches the lead RB got, it's that the lead RB was different every week or two.

This. Anyone thinking they’ll suddenly go with one RB getting >65% of the touches will most likely be disappointed. They have had talent in the backfield before but have yet to rely on one back. And it wouldn’t make sense to pick up Howard only for him to ride the bench. I could see Howard leading early as they work in Sanders, but I have avoided the Eagles backfield ever since Shady left and will continue to do so. 

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51 minutes ago, Elevencents said:

This. Anyone thinking they’ll suddenly go with one RB getting >65% of the touches will most likely be disappointed. They have had talent in the backfield before but have yet to rely on one back. And it wouldn’t make sense to pick up Howard only for him to ride the bench. I could see Howard leading early as they work in Sanders, but I have avoided the Eagles backfield ever since Shady left and will continue to do so. 

Howard's a UFA after this year and this is a dynasty thread. Also, they traded for Howard before they drafted Sanders.

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11 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

The problem with Philly is not just the number of touches the lead RB got, it's that the lead RB was different every week or two.

Pretty sure it was Ajayi every game he was healthy in 2018. Hes about the best well rounded rb Pederson's had. Appears to me that's the most likely usage Sanders gets if he turns out to be any good. Although year 1 might be more like 2017 with Howard being the new Blount.

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20 minutes ago, Amused to Death said:

Howard's a UFA after this year and this is a dynasty thread. Also, they traded for Howard before they drafted Sanders.

They also only spent a day 3 pick on Howard.  I don't expect a year one lead back and unless I scrolled over it I don't see anyone in here saying that anyway.  Year two though?  Cautiously optimistic.

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1 hour ago, cloppbeast said:

Pretty sure it was Ajayi every game he was healthy in 2018. Hes about the best well rounded rb Pederson's had. Appears to me that's the most likely usage Sanders gets if he turns out to be any good. Although year 1 might be more like 2017 with Howard being the new Blount.

I was one of the biggest Ajayi truthers on this board heading into last season and I remember how disappointed I was when week 1 rolled around and it was Darren Sproles getting 60% of the snaps at RB.

Things eventually broke right for Ajayi in that game late with Sproles getting hurt and Philly running out the clock with a bunch of late plunges for Ajayi, but he was far from the lead back in that game.

He led the team in touches in 2 of his 4 games last year, and one of those 2 was the one mentioned above.  I would say he operated as the actual lead back in 1 of 4 games last year.

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No running back has seen their draft stock skyrocket more in the last few months than Miles Sanders. Standing 5-11 and weighing 211lbs, Sanders has the requisite build to become a featured back in the NFL. He’s also arguably the only back in the class with a well-rounded athletic profile, as the Penn State alum posted scores above the 75th percentile in the forty-yard dash, jumping, and agility drills at the NFL Combine.

Sanders’ metrics on paper are stellar, but his Yards Created profile does warrant some caution. Sanders’ 4.51 yards created per attempt trails Darrell Henderson (6.44), Bryce Love (4.90), and Josh Jacobs (4.61) for the top marks in the class. Sanders is also well below the four-year average (0.35) in missed tackles forced per attempt (0.29) and, as a one-year starter, it should be no surprise Sanders showed inconsistency as both a pass protector and receiver. Sanders’ 75% pass protection execution rate is slightly below-average for an incoming rookie back while the former-Nittany Lion completely failed to fill Saquon Barkley’s shoes as a receiver. Whereas Barkley averaged 4.5 yards per route run (YPRR) on 5.0 targets per game in 2017, Sanders put up a paltry 1.0 YPRR (on 2.5 targets per game).

https://yardscreated.com/2019/04/22/yards-created-notebook-2019/

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One thought on Howard - since he is a UFA after '19, he could help the Eagles generate a compensatory draft pick.  Cheap depth plus a possible draft pick addition, makes total sense for him to be on the roster.

I can't find the article I read a month ago or so, but the Eagles have been among the league leaders recently in collecting compensatory picks.  The Howard signing screams it to me.

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20 hours ago, Marauder said:

It could well be that they just haven't found somebody they trust to be the workhorse.    All the guys on this list either have a limited skill set or can't stay healthy.    I'm not sure that it's safe to assume that it is a system thing.

Bingo.  Including playoffs, Jay Ajayi played 14 games with Philly.  He got 15 carries or more 7 times.  That pretty good considering he was traded mid-season and got limited usage the first month he was here.

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3 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

I was one of the biggest Ajayi truthers on this board heading into last season and I remember how disappointed I was when week 1 rolled around and it was Darren Sproles getting 60% of the snaps at RB.

Things eventually broke right for Ajayi in that game late with Sproles getting hurt and Philly running out the clock with a bunch of late plunges for Ajayi, but he was far from the lead back in that game.

He led the team in touches in 2 of his 4 games last year, and one of those 2 was the one mentioned above.  I would say he operated as the actual lead back in 1 of 4 games last year.

I misremembered then. Though, it's worth noting that he was returning from injury and also got hurt in one of those games, unless I'm misremembering again.

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On 5/6/2019 at 4:17 PM, Flying Elvis said:

Last season I had Smallwood/Clement/Adams rostered in a deep league as wait-and-see stashes. To me, it does look like the system will prevent any RB from being worth the roster space. Already dropped Adams (before the draft) and won't even bother targeting Sanders. Fool me twice... can't get fooled again!

 

well... I'll be finding out if I can get fooled again, it seems. Had a good bit of draft capital and moved down a few picks in a few rounds to move up from 1.08 to 1.06 and get Sanders. Made sense with Smallwood and Clement on my roster still and enough 2nd round picks to revamp my WR core. Losing touches to Darren Sproles was going to happen to anyone while Sproles was still young and good. I'm not sure I see any of the guys on the current roster stopping an ascent by Miles. I'm ok waiting until next year for a full time role. Hopefully he wows the staff.

Good discussion in here. Thanks all. I'm definitely worried but curious and optimistic. :D

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5 hours ago, zeeshan2 said:

Eagles reportedly called the Niners post-draft and inquired about Tevin Coleman (per ⁦@AdamSchefter⁩)

https://twitter.com/notJDaigle/status/1127988423539609604

More of a reflection of Howard than Sanders if you ask me.  They've had what, 1 week to get a look at Sanders by now?  Hardly enough to know what he'll be like when it comes to season time.  

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Like him. Don't love him. He has a little bit of everything. Size, speed, and quickness. He's a very loose and elastic runner, with jukes and cuts that evoke past Eagles greats like Westbrook and McCoy. What keeps him from being a tier one prospect to me is that he's in a little bit of a tweener zone from a height/weight/speed standpoint. With a 4.49 40 time, he doesn't have the sheer speed of a burner like Charles or CJ2K, and at 5'11" 211 he is solid, but not really equipped to be a thumper. I noticed a few years back that there seemed to be a little bit of a dead zone with backs who were ~200-210 pounds without great speed. People like Donald Brown and Bishop Sankey fell in that general ballpark. They weren't big enough to run with power and weren't dynamic enough to win with speed/quickness.

There's some risk that Sanders is that type of guy, but personally I thought his film was a lot more impressive than what those two showed. Really like his cuts and change-of-direction ability. Maybe he's not as dynamic as LeSean McCoy, but he's cut from a similar cloth in terms of what he can do in space and tight windows. I have him as the #2 rated RB in an admittedly thin draft class. A strong prospect, but not a can't-miss projection to a full-time role.

I've not paid much attention to Philly's backfield because I'm not invested in any of the other guys, but what they have besides Sanders is a big gob of mediocrity from all appearances. I think he probably splits time to start out with and then maybe grows into the lead back role in the second half of the season or in 2020.

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His lateral jump cut looks elite to me.  Has a lot of creativity to his game and is the best 1 v 1 runner in the draft by a lot.  Agree with your points though and his situation is a little scary given how in love Philly seems to be with a committee approach.

I think he'll give some solid RB2 seasons, maybe backend RB1 once or twice.  I don't see studville though.

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Yeah, good luck trying to tackle this one. He will turn, dancestutter-step, slitherskipdodge, spinjump - all in an effort to make you look silly. He can slip right by, run around you, fake you out,  whatever he has to do. Seriously, you might need your teammate's help. Or not. Hope he makes a mistake, but understand he knows magic.

Edit to add: sorry, bored at work. 8 hours goes by slowly when you have nothing to do.

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Talking physical traits, not just the combine but also on the football field, Sanders is the best rb in this class. Imo, he has the best chance of becoming a RB1 worth multiple 1sts. 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

That’s shocking.

maybe not shocking, but when stud players really like a young prospect, I pay attention. Terrell Davis was so enamored with Lindsay last year at this time that I bought him in every dynasty leagues off waivers and boy did that pay wonderful dividends. 

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