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1 hour ago, ffmail4me said:

maybe not shocking, but when stud players really like a young prospect, I pay attention. Terrell Davis was so enamored with Lindsay last year at this time that I bought him in every dynasty leagues off waivers and boy did that pay wonderful dividends. 

They were college teammates. I wouldn’t expect him to say otherwise.

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3 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

They were college teammates. I wouldn’t expect him to say otherwise.

Terrell Davis and Phillip Lindsay were college roommates??? 🤯

 

 

Jokes aside, this post is very true. Last year Kareem Hunt was saying how great Terry Swanson was, and that he was going to be the best back in the 2018 class. In case you didnt know, Terry Swanson remains a FA today

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2 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

Jokes aside, this post is very true. Last year Kareem Hunt was saying how great Terry Swanson was, and that he was going to be the best back in the 2018 class. In case you didnt know, Terry Swanson remains a FA today

Terry Swanson wasn’t the second RB drafted, he was an undrafted FA. So the NFL didn’t agree with Kareem Hunt. Just sayin not really apples to apples.

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2 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

Terrell Davis and Phillip Lindsay were college roommates??? 🤯

 

 

Jokes aside, this post is very true. Last year Kareem Hunt was saying how great Terry Swanson was, and that he was going to be the best back in the 2018 class. In case you didnt know, Terry Swanson remains a FA today

Saquon Barkley > Kareem Hunt

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19 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

Saquon Barkley > Kareem Hunt

sure but they both have bung holes... and you know what they say about those... they're like opinions. 

 

Do people think that a great player knows more about the sport, scouting, etc. and can spot the best player in a crowd than a good player? an average player? isnt the term: "those who cant play, coach?"

Guys are always going to pump up their alma mater's players.

I like Sanders as my rb2 in this class, but an endorsement from Barkley doesnt carry any weight IMO. He isnt going to bash Sanders.

Asking Barkely his opinion on Sanders is like asking Pete Carroll what he thinks of his 5th round draft choice... you're going to get one of the best reviews of the player you possibly could. 

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16 hours ago, cloppbeast said:

Saquon Barkley > Kareem Hunt

Yes, this is valid in term of talents and skills.  However, Hunt lucked out on being drafted into a very great offensive team with great play-caller.  Sadly, he lost that chance (though we'll see how he does for Browns this year).  Barkley is once-a-generational player who overcame Giants' sh*tty OL and Eli Manning's ineptitude.  

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Good opportunity but I just don’t see enough special traits to sustain long term success. Maybe I am missing something. Right now it looks like his most elite traits are opportunity and draft selection to me. Potentially good RB, don’t see special.

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7 hours ago, King of the Jungle said:

Good opportunity but I just don’t see enough special traits to sustain long term success. Maybe I am missing something. Right now it looks like his most elite traits are opportunity and draft selection to me. Potentially good RB, don’t see special.

I dont see any rb in this class comparing to Sanders' combination of burst/change of direction. Elite traits? Maybe. But he's not big or fast though. So you know, its whatever you like to see in a rb. 

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Philadelphia Eagles: What’s going on with Miles Sanders? (FanSided - autoplay video)

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What’s going on with Sanders’ injury?

What did Miles Sanders do to get injured? What exactly is his injury? Well, your guess is as good as ours. Ever since Eagles’ head coach Doug Pederson figured out he doesn’t have to be specific with injury details in the offseason, he refuses to go in depth. According to The Philadelphia Inquirer’s Zach Berman, Sanders has yet to take the field.

When asked about the injury and the severity of it, Pederson won’t specify much — or pretty much anything. Week two of OTAs kicks off on Tuesday, and Sanders’ status still seems to be up in the air. While the Eagles are excited to get to see their second-rounder in action surrounded by his veteran teammates for the first time, he isn’t quite ready to take the field yet.

Despite not knowing what’s going on with him, at least we’re fortunate to see that it’s nothing too serious. With Sanders current injury, that now makes three running backs that are currently dealing with injuries including Josh Adams, and Corey Clement. All others are available and trying to make their case for where they belong on the depth chart.

 

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6 minutes ago, Football Jones said:

I don't hate Sanders, but I'll likely never be all in at his ADP.

@King of the Junglemade a good point about his best attributes being situation & draft pedigree. 

Those are definitely plus's but they aren't his best attribute I'd say since Pederson has in the past been fond of RBBC.  Seems to not be that amazing of a situation.  It's good but not the best.  

His best attributes I'd say are his forward lean, his quickness in and out of breaks, and his ability to still use power after combining moves together.  Even if he shakes players, he's quick to  draw power from his legs and he almost always goes forward.  Very similar to McCaffrey in that way.  Power isn't their game, but the forward lean and explosiveness to still fall in front is always there.  

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27 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

Those are definitely plus's but they aren't his best attribute I'd say since Pederson has in the past been fond of RBBC.  Seems to not be that amazing of a situation.  It's good but not the best.  

His best attributes I'd say are his forward lean, his quickness in and out of breaks, and his ability to still use power after combining moves together.  Even if he shakes players, he's quick to  draw power from his legs and he almost always goes forward.  Very similar to McCaffrey in that way.  Power isn't their game, but the forward lean and explosiveness to still fall in front is always there.  

You make a good point about the situation. A better word would be opportunity (as @King of the Jungle penned).

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Eagles second-round RB Miles Sanders (hamstring) remains sidelined.

Sanders has been sidelined by what is reported to be a hamstring injury. Coach Doug Pederson said they are just being careful with the rookie, so it does not sound like a serious issue. At worst, Sanders should be ready for training camp.

SOURCE: Mike Kaye on Twitter

Jun 3, 2019, 11:03 AM ET

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MILES SANDERS RB, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

Assistant head coach Duce Staley said the Eagles will continue to use a committee approach in the backfield.

The best outcome from a fantasy perspective would be second-round rookie Miles Sanders emerging as the clear No. 1 option, but that is not how the Eagles like to operate. "To have the type of backfield we have now, we’re going to share the ball and these guys understand that," Staley said. "It’s something we’ve been doing for a while." The Eagles traded for Jordan Howard over the offseason, and both Staley and OC Mike Groh have surprisingly talked up Howard's receiving ability, suggesting he could be more involved in the passing game than expected. Sanders has the talent to separate himself if the Eagles give him a chance, but it looks like he is headed for a timeshare.

RELATED: 

Jordan Howard

SOURCE: NJ Advance Media

Jun 11, 2019, 9:34 AM ET

 

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Eagles second-round RB Miles Sanders (hamstring) will not participate in minicamp.

Sanders has been sidelined since the start of OTAs because of a hamstring issue. The injury does not sound like a long-term concern, but the rookie has missed valuable practice time as he tries to earn the No. 1 job. Sanders will compete with Jordan Howard for that role in training camp.

SOURCE: Zach Berman on Twitter

Jun 11, 2019, 12:38 PM ET

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On 5/28/2019 at 6:36 AM, King of the Jungle said:

Good opportunity but I just don’t see enough special traits to sustain long term success. Maybe I am missing something. Right now it looks like his most elite traits are opportunity and draft selection to me. Potentially good RB, don’t see special.

I agree with this. I think it became fashionable to say “he’s my number 1 back in this class” as a mild contrarian position, that caught on in the Twitter/podcast echo chamber and before you know it heaps of people are saying it.

Not that he can’t be good but I agree that I don’t see the dynamic, complete back others do. It’s a bit puzzling to me. He also has the built in excuse of being “stuck behind Saquon” as a reason for there being more upside here than might otherwise be apparent. 

In any case, you’d have to be a bit concerned, even though it’s early, about missing time and the RBBC comments. Rookies can really get behind if they don’t get on the field early. I know a lot of people will say well they’ve never had a back like Sanders before and that’s why they have used RBBC, but those people might be in for a rude shock. 

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1 hour ago, RushHour said:

I agree with this. I think it became fashionable to say “he’s my number 1 back in this class” as a mild contrarian position, that caught on in the Twitter/podcast echo chamber and before you know it heaps of people are saying it.

Not that he can’t be good but I agree that I don’t see the dynamic, complete back others do. It’s a bit puzzling to me. He also has the built in excuse of being “stuck behind Saquon” as a reason for there being more upside here than might otherwise be apparent. 

In any case, you’d have to be a bit concerned, even though it’s early, about missing time and the RBBC comments. Rookies can really get behind if they don’t get on the field early. I know a lot of people will say well they’ve never had a back like Sanders before and that’s why they have used RBBC, but those people might be in for a rude shock. 

Just blows my mind how many people are bashing taking Darrell Henderson in the top 10 and people are tripping over themselves to take Sanders top three in a rook draft. I guess I just prefer upside and I don’t see it with Sanders. Disclaimer: I have been wrong several thousand times in life. 

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Hope the lack of positive news continues through pre-season and lowers his draft value.

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NJ.com's Zack Rosenblatt said it's "premature" to expect second-round RB Miles Sanders to become the Eagles No. 1 running back.

Sanders has been sidelined since the start of OTAs, and Rosenblatt believes he's now "behind the eight-ball." Coach Doug Pederson said the plan is to "slowly work him into the mix and see just how he can help us on game day." The Eagles have a stable of veterans -- Jordan Howard, Wendell Smallwood, Corey Clement, etc. -- but none are good enough to keep Sanders off the field when he's caught up and healthy. The question is if that will be by Week 1 or much deeper into the season.

SOURCE: NJ.com

Jun 16, 2019, 2:50 PM ET

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On 6/11/2019 at 8:48 AM, Faust said:

MILES SANDERS RB, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

 Assistant head coach Duce Staley said the Eagles will continue to use a committee approach in the backfield.

The best outcome from a fantasy perspective would be second-round rookie Miles Sanders emerging as the clear No. 1 option, but that is not how the Eagles like to operate. "To have the type of backfield we have now, we’re going to share the ball and these guys understand that," Staley said. "It’s something we’ve been doing for a while." The Eagles traded for Jordan Howard over the offseason, and both Staley and OC Mike Groh have surprisingly talked up Howard's receiving ability, suggesting he could be more involved in the passing game than expected. Sanders has the talent to separate himself if the Eagles give him a chance, but it looks like he is headed for a timeshare.

RELATED: 

Jordan Howard

SOURCE: NJ Advance Media

Jun 11, 2019, 9:34 AM ET

Same exact thing they were saying after they drafted him.

He was never really on my board.

Tex

 

 

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I think he can be good. You gotta hope he really catches onto the passing game and adds some burst to his game.

 

For comparison, I like Kalen Ballage much more as a prospect. That guy is built like a workhorse.

Coach sees a guy like that and gets excited about running the ball.

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15 hours ago, Raptors409 said:

I think he can be good. You gotta hope he really catches onto the passing game and adds some burst to his game.

 

For comparison, I like Kalen Ballage much more as a prospect. That guy is built like a workhorse.

Coach sees a guy like that and gets excited about running the ball.

His college coach didn’t get excited about giving Ballage the ball. 

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17 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

His college coach didn’t get excited about giving Ballage the ball. 

Nor did his NFL coach last year.

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16 hours ago, Raptors409 said:

I think he can be good. You gotta hope he really catches onto the passing game and adds some burst to his game.

 

For comparison, I like Kalen Ballage much more as a prospect. That guy is built like a workhorse.

Coach sees a guy like that and gets excited about running the ball.

Ballage is the ultimate tease...looks great...plays terrible

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On 6/11/2019 at 5:47 PM, King of the Jungle said:

Just blows my mind how many people are bashing taking Darrell Henderson in the top 10 and people are tripping over themselves to take Sanders top three in a rook draft. I guess I just prefer upside and I don’t see it with Sanders. Disclaimer: I have been wrong several thousand times in life. 

I don't see how a guy that put up basically the exact same rushing production/efficiency behind basically the same line as Saquon Barkley doesn't have upside.  Obviously they are on different planets as receivers but going stride for stride with Saquon's production as a runner is still enticing.

Saquon: 217-1271 5.9ypc
Sanders: 220-1274-5.8ypc

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The Philly Voice's Jimmy Kempski believes Miles Sanders needs to improve in pass protection.

Kempski also lists ball security and receiving ability as concerns for the second rounder. Ideally, Sanders would have worked on those issues during the offseason program, but he missed every practice because of a hamstring injury. It is certainly possible Sanders has a great training camp and puts distance between himself and Jordan Howard, but his clearest path to rookie touches is in the passing game.

SOURCE: Philly Voice

Jul 9, 2019, 8:14 AM ET

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20 minutes ago, Longtucky Lemmings said:

 

This is beginning to feel a lot like Belichick Part Deux

And then add in anything that Duce Staley says and you'll come away wanting to own all and/or none of them.

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1 hour ago, barackdhouse said:

I moved him for a 2020 1st last week. I think I'm happy about it.

Where did you draft him? What is the projected 2020? Early, Mid, late? 

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1 hour ago, Gottabesweet said:

Where did you draft him? What is the projected 2020? Early, Mid, late? 

I got him at 1.04 but I also took Jacobs and Montgomery, both of whom I like better than Sanders. The 2020 looks early to me. But the owner is good and he has a solid RB corps but no WRs, TEs or QBs of note.

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27 minutes ago, zamboni said:

I like Sanders next year when Howard presumably leaves, but for redraft this year, it’s going to be frustrating owning him.

If Sanders should make Clement, Scott, and Smallwood irrelevant, he could be useful in a 2-way committee. Somehow he can do the pass catching work, making him a value in ppr. Good offense with lots of TD potential.

These are the hopes.

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Can only hope he becomes more of a value (dynasty-wise).

Still an unknown, but I am latching onto the same perspective as mentioned in Faust's posted article: 

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The Eagles didn't think Sanders would fall to them in the second round this past April, and were giddy when he did. They see him as a three-down back with similar traits as two of the best to ever tote the rock in Philly -- Brian Westbrook and LeSean McCoy. There is no question he will become the front man if he's as good as everyone in the building thinks he is. The real question is when. 

 

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