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I think it makes people more honest in sharing their thoughts.
Thanks. I absolutely believe that. In fact, I'd almost expect people who voted or who planned to vote for Trump to deny it. Much of it is because of some of the things Jon talks about here. I've said it before, if I were a Trump supporter, I wouldn't post on our forum. Just not worth the hassle. And that bums me out.
What hassle? Seriously I don’t get that. A bunch of people you don’t know are going to disagree with you on an Internet board? So what?
For most people, they don't want to fight the current that much. Jon's not normal. He'll take the snark or the "suffer fools" thing and keep going. Most people would leave.
He likes playing victim. I like jon but I don’t find that aspect of his to be admirable.
Deny it to pollsters? A poll taker from Quinnipiac isn't going to deride a respondent for answering the question honestly.
I understand that sentiment.
For sure. It's a human nature thing. And certainly, the poster isn't going to deride anyone. It's just saying it to another human.
It has nothing to do with wanting to play the victim. I want respectful intelligent discussions. Certainly some cleaver humor is always good too, when there is no hatred behind it. But when most discussion becomes personal after a couple posts, it is not repectful. It is not intelligent. And it is certainly not humorous.
You may be right again but I can only point out that prior to Trump we had lots of discussions and debates in this forum about taxes, about immigration, about climate change, about any issue that is currently relevant, and the conversation was never one sided.
Correct. That was then.
Cowboysfan8 denies it all the time, but yet he accused of lying about not voting for Trump. It is quite possible and in fact quite probable for those who hold conservative positions and are more highly educated (such as what is typically found in this forum) to not support Trump. But this position is not an accepted reality in this forum. We had at least two posters in the last two days say they are intimidated to post here.
Agree. The religious data was as I expected and we're better at religious discussions than political discussions. I miss some of the religious discussions we used to have.
I don’t want to belabor this, but the way you often enter discussions is not designed to get respectful intelligent feedback. You make assertions that you know will anger people; when questioned about them your responses are often curt and sometimes rude, and when the insults inevitably come you immediately drop all discussion of the issue at hand to focus on them. The discussion then changes to: “what did jon mx mean when he said...” and this can last for several pages which then become pretty unreadable to most people, until finally you are suspended or Joe Bryant politely asks you to stop.
Agreed. Let's not belabor this. @jon_mx you have a ton of control on this. Be cooler and you will find people will be cooler. Thanks.
Do you think maybe it has something to do with the nature of this hobby? To succeed at fantasy sports you have to make decisions based on logic and not faith.
That is just not true. When I take a position like in the Kavanaugh thread taking issue with Ford's allegation, it is not designed to anger people. When I take positions that right-wing extremism is overblown by the left/media coverage, it is not designed to anger people. They did, because people are emotionally tied to those issues. The result is numerous reports to mods and numerous personal accusations, which then leads to escalation But it is really just a different perspective.
Thanks. That's an interesting idea. I don't really know why it's this way. My gut would say it's less about me or Fantasy Football and it's more an indication of where people just are.
I disagree. When I make an opinion and then I have eight people jump my case with personal comments directed at me, it is not easy to stay cool. IMHO, the best thing you could do is clamp down on making discussions personal. It would make this forum much more welcoming to conservative posters.
He actually doesn't. And the mob doesn't just disagree, they attack. They insult, and attack. I will make a statement and at least two posters question my username as an alias multiple times.
People naturally want to be thought well of, even by pollsters they’ll never interact with again. That’s how our brains are designed.
A very intelligent guy I know that voted for Trump told me he always lied to pollsters before the election and said he was voting for Hillary. His reason was to get the left over confident that Hillary was going to win so that they wouldn't bother going to vote.
Yes, sounds like a very intelligent guy indeed.
Just because you are antagonized doesn't mean anyone was trying to antagonize you. That's on you and is exactly what Jon is saying. It doesn't matter what he posts. There are a handful of you guys that are going to argue with him and attack no matter what he does.Simply disagreeing with someone is not being disrespectful, nor is it a personal attack. And if you take controversial positions that you know will antagonize a certain percentage of posters here, you shouldn't complain and play the victim card when people respond as expected.
Just my
Its odd - you see that claim a lot = "Trump supporters lie to pollsters" - but the data does not back up the claim.
Electoral votes are all that matters so the popular vote is meaningless.Yes, sounds a very intelligent guy indeed.
I am sure his lying to pollsters resulted in many Hillary voters not going to the polls and why she lost the popular vote...oh, wait...
My brain continues to ache. Why would someone planning to vote for Trump think that a pollster would not think well of them for wanting to do so? Why weren't Hilary voters likewise reluctant?
I was going to bring that up, but it seemed too obvious.
Many people think Trump voters are willing to overlook certain forms of bigotry and whatnot. Similar thoughts about Hillary voters are less common.
That's either insidious bigotry on the part of "many people" or projection on the part of Trump voters.
He won in having history verify that his unpopular position against this unnecessary war (based on fake news/reports of WMDs) was the correct one, despite widespread public popularity at the time (even Chris Matthews was gushing about Bush in his air force flight suit on the aircraft carrier and the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED sign. Plus MSNBC cancelled Phil Donahue's show because he was lone host speaking out against the war).
That's all well and good. But, what did he win? An internet debate years later? Congrats, I guess?
I'm going to post similar surveys in the Free For All and in the Shark Pool. I appreciate everyone's comments about the poll questions. I'm going to mostly leave things the way I had them in this first poll, in part because I want the results to be easy to compare with each other. But I figured I'd comment on some of the specific feedback.
I'm going to leave this one as it is because I suspect that everyone's family had a religious tradition if you go back enough generations.
I goofed in not including "retired" as an option in the first poll. I'll add it to the others.
I could force people to log into their Google accounts in order to fill out the survey. That's the only way to prevent duplicate submissions, but I don't think it's worth it. I want it to be as easy as possible for people to take the survey. (Also, forcing people to sign in may make people question their ability to remain anonymous.)
It's possible to favor more legal immigration while wanting to invest more resources into preventing illegal immigration (or, theoretically, vice versa), but I think I'm going to leave this question the way it is. If people want more leniency on one type and more restrictiveness on the other type, try to net out the total effect.
Certainly there can be mixes, but to keep things simple, I'd prefer people to pick the one that they most closely identify with.
