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WR Parris Campbell, PHI (2 Viewers)
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TheWinz
Footballguy
Fully agree for dynasty, but not necessarily for redraft. Situation is much more important in redraft. Sure, the cream rises to the top, but sometimes the cream is smothered by a JAG - just look at Chubb's stats to start the season.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
you avoided the question.
said Campbell didnt need to be tied to a great qb to do well. Except TY Hilton struggled without Luck in 2017. so, do you think TY Hilton needs to be tied to a great qb? Is Campbell better?
maybe you're right; maybe it is the biased owner in you
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Wow OK.
I guess not responding to every post is avoiding a question. All I was saying is I thought Campbell had a skill set which made it possible to still be productive with a less than elite QB. I also acknowledged that the overall downgrading of the offense couldn't be overlooked and that will impact Campbell to an extent obviously I think.
You can agree with my view on Campbell or not, I don't really care. If you think Hilton struggling without Luck in 2017 is relevant, then that's fine. I don't really. I never said Campbell was better, he may be just as talented, who knows? We haven't seen him in the NFL yet.
You were acting like AJ Brown is a slam dunk better talent than Campbell. I don't think he is. We can disagree.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I was using him as an example as he was a consensus top 3 wr in the class prior to the nfl draft. hes generating no hype, yet hes "overrated" which I thought interesting as you were suggesting that Campbell was QB proof
I never, ever heard Brown's name listed that high in any of the discussions leading into the draft. It was Jacobs, Harry, a smattering of Metcalf, and then everyone else.
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Todem
Footballguy
Drafted him 2.6 in my dynasty league yesterday. 12 team PPR been going since 2004.
I find that to be extremely good value for kid with his talent/skill set. We will watch and wait to see if he develops. But man what a fall since Luck retired! Good.....fell into my lap. Hope it works out down the road.
I find that to be extremely good value for kid with his talent/skill set. We will watch and wait to see if he develops. But man what a fall since Luck retired! Good.....fell into my lap. Hope it works out down the road.
Maybe you’re making an assumption and correlation that others don’t necessarily agree?
I think some people would find merit in that one type of WR (an underneath/slot specialist) may in fact be more QB proof than another (deep/speed guy). He never said that Campbell was better than Hilton. But the fact that Hilton struggled noticeably from a production standpoint without Luck /=/ that Campbell may not be AS IMPACTED by Luck’s departure as Hilton would be.
(Bolded because there’s obviously an impact to everyone dropping from Luck to Brissett, but that impact isn’t necessarily level across the board.)
cloppbeast
Footballguy
For the record, Hilton didn't struggle his one year without Luck, or his 'struggles' have been greatly exaggerated. He got 22% of the targets at 8.9 ypt, and a TD on .037 of them. These are just barely below his career averages. He suffered from lack of volume more than anything; Brissett only made 469 pass attempts in 2017.
With or without a great QB, Campbell will need to be good to put up FF relevant stats. Luck being there added a lot of upside though, so his value has gone down a bit. This is preferred for me because I wasn't using a mid 1st on him with Luck, but I will burn a late 2nd on him now.
that's the thing though there is probably going be 1500 yards and 50 catches less in that offence this year. I don't see a first year wr coming out and dominating. He was a stretch this year with those yards and catches available...without, i'll take a pass
jm192
Footballguy
I just don't think you can or should ignore situation.
In the event there is a generational talent--sure. But I think a lot of people viewed several of the receivers as very similar. And when you're all that close--situation matters. Being in a spot to be Luck's #2 and maybe even his #1 at some point is better than a slightly more talented receiver being Mariotta's #1 or 2.
In the event there is a generational talent--sure. But I think a lot of people viewed several of the receivers as very similar. And when you're all that close--situation matters. Being in a spot to be Luck's #2 and maybe even his #1 at some point is better than a slightly more talented receiver being Mariotta's #1 or 2.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
3 catches, 42 yards, 4 targets
nice starting game for him, love him in dynasty
nice starting game for him, love him in dynasty
boilerdave
Footballguy
Yes, but with a short 18 person bench. I'll admit I was one of the people that cut him. The way i see it, is there won't be much there this year for him and then mix him in with the rookies who do perform this year and the batch coming out seems like a pointless roster carry.
There is a very strong chance the colts are going into qb wilderness for the next bunch of years. They already have a wr1 so there is little for campbell to bite off
I guess I don’t have experience in rosters that small. Maybe he is a cut candidate in a league like that, I don’t know.
Seems I’m higher on him as a prospect than many others on this forum. I’m not thinking short term with him (although I still think he’ll have a productive rookie season).
In a shorter bench league he will be around next year to pick up no problem. He's not going to set the world on fire this year so there will be very little buzz about him next year.
If Bissett tanks than nobody will pick him up next year either...
I'm intrigued by the love for him given the situation. What do you see as his ceiling and floor?
Edit to add that drafting him with your last pick is not a bad idea for sure....and it doesn't show any undying love for him.
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thehoch
Footballguy
In the limited plays I've seen him explode after the catch. Also Deon Cain looks the part. Too bad Luck isn't staying, this would have been his most explosive WR corp in my opinion.
As far as ceiling or floor? You never can tell until the prove it, so can't say. But for me these kind of players just need one big play in the game to justify drafting them. Take a 40 yard catch to the house and it's all good for the rest of the day.
rockaction
Footballguy
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Alright he's finally back!
It seems like he gets hurt every time he starts breaking out. I can't wait to see what we get for the rest of the season.
It seems like he gets hurt every time he starts breaking out. I can't wait to see what we get for the rest of the season.
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The Frankman
Footballguy
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Not much. He was dropped in a keep 16 league I’m in. Other than that I haven’t seen anything. I’m tempted to make some offers but not a big fan. Still if you can buy him for a third that’s a pretty great price.
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Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
I got him in the last few rounds of a dynasty startup that ended a few days ago.
Nero
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I believe he could be a good WR3 for the Colts and I also believe with the addition of Pittman it will help Campbell. I'm not sure he is startable in most leagues, but could help out during bye weeks......or not....not sure. One thing I do know is that the Colts passing game is better with all four Rivers / Hilton / Pittman / Campbell than they were last year.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Super Bowl was a long time ago. I can't see anyone paying more than a 3rd at this point. You're in the Van Jefferson/Hamler/Duvernay territory at that point and that's about right. If one is to take a flier, it's tough to do so on a guy that just had a bellcow RB and WR drafted right over his head and a way-veteran QB that has a very-veteran WR that he's likely to trust more. Zero chance he gets more than 50-60 touches without an injury or Pittman being lost in the learning curve. I'm a raging OSU homer and will forever love Campbell for what he did to the skunk weasels but I just can't bring myself to invest much in him.
