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Christchurch, New Zealand; Terrorist Attack

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11 minutes ago, mcintyre1 said:

This was a top post late last night on Reddit's The_Donald subreddit (the primary forum for Trump supporters on the Internet, with nearly 750,000 subscribers).

A selection of the most highly upvoted comments in that thread:

It goes on and on with over a thousand comments. Each that I quoted above received hundreds of upvotes ("likes").

 

That's fine.   I can't and wont legislate or try to legislate what people think.  They can like what stuff till they are blue in the face.  They can have bake sales and basement meetings..Golf outings, vacation together.   I don't care.

When they become violent, then I say that's too far.  And those that do should be punished to the fullest extent of the law...

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13 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

That's fine.   I can't and wont legislate or try to legislate what people think.  They can like what stuff till they are blue in the face.  They can have bake sales and basement meetings..Golf outings, vacation together.   I don't care.

When they become violent, then I say that's too far.  And those that do should be punished to the fullest extent of the law...

They aren't becoming violent out of thin air. You see no value in trying to curb the ideology that creates them? 

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Trump obviously isn't the cause, but he definitely courts and platforms many far right thinkers and ideas. In the terrorist's manifesto, the shooter explicitly champions Trump as "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose". The first Trump tweet (now deleted) after the shooting occurred was a direct link to breibart.com, a white nationalist anti-Islam platform where the top comments in the article about the shooting was in support of the terrorist. He's not the cause, but he's part of the movement. He condemns some of their actions in one breath but supports many of the ideas behind their movement in another.

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26 minutes ago, Bucky86 said:

I'm sure the video won't make this seem as bad as it looks...

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Per pool: Trump called the terror attack a "horrible, horrible thing" and said he called the PM to convey US "sorrow," then turned to “crimes of all kinds coming through our southern border.” He added, "People hate the word invasion, but that’s what it is.”

12:41 PM - 15 Mar 2019

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Just now, Grace Under Pressure said:

"Sorry for your loss. Reminds me of the southern border and me wanting to build a wall there." 

What a disgusting person.

Easy there. Certain people around here don't like it when we say mean things about Trump.

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19 minutes ago, mcintyre1 said:

They aren't becoming violent out of thin air. You see no value in trying to curb the ideology that creates them? 

I very much wish no one hated anyone and everyone loved each other.

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2 hours ago, Bucky86 said:

I'm sure the video won't make this seem as bad as it looks...

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Per pool: Trump called the terror attack a "horrible, horrible thing" and said he called the PM to convey US "sorrow," then turned to “crimes of all kinds coming through our southern border.” He added, "People hate the word invasion, but that’s what it is.”

12:41 PM - 15 Mar 2019

Joe posts a lot about how we’re supposed to treat each other with respect and not contempt.  

At what point is continuing to support this guy, who encourages white supremacists and welcomes them into his White House and his support base, contemptible?  Aren’t we already there? Don’t we owe our fellow human beings who are targets of white supremacists (I’m one, as a Jew) a duty to be outraged instead of just pretending this is OK? 

I think we were well past that point after Charlottesville. And we’re certainly past it now. I was raised on memories of the Holocaust and taught the importance of “never again.”  Im starting to wonder if many of my middle-aged white peers somehow didn’t get that message.

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15 minutes ago, Bucky86 said:

What is PooPooPie?

It is PewDiePie and it is a who, not a what

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/pewdie-pie-new-zealand-mosque-shooting-youtube-808633/

Why Did the Christchurch Shooter Name-Drop YouTube Phenom PewDiePie?

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Perhaps no detail is more reflective of that than the fact that one shooter name-dropped the YouTuber PewDiePie during the livestream; specifically, “subscribe to PewDiePie,” a reference to a meme about 29-year-old Swedish YouTube superstar PewDiePie, a.k.a. Felix Kjellberg.

Kjellberg almost immediately responded by tweeting, “I feel absolutely sickened having my name uttered by this person. My heart and thoughts go out to the victims, families and everyone affected by this tragedy.” But the reference to PewDiePie prompted some people who are less than Extremely Online to wonder why the shooter would bring up the YouTuber — and others to conclude that the shooter was, in fact, trolling us all.

Who is PewDiePie, and where does “subscribe to PewDiePie” come from?

Born Felix Kjellberg, PewDiePie is a 29-year-old Swedish YouTuber with almost 90 million subscribers. He is primarily known for his relatively innocuous meme and video game commentary videos, though he “has flirted with if not endorsed the alt-right neo-Nazi movement and antisemitism,” says Evan Balgord, the executive director of the Canadian Anti-Hate Network. As recently as last December, he came under fire for endorsing YouTuber E;R, whose channel featured videos of unedited Adolf Hitler speeches and a gag poking fun at the death of Charlottesville protester Heather Heyer. As a result of the exposure from PewDiePie, E;R gained 15,000 subscribers, leading many to accuse PewDiePie of “flirting with alt-right culture and sending a dangerous message to his millions of followers, many of whom are teenagers,” as Vox’s Aja Romano put it.

For years, PewDiePie has had the most-subscribed channel on YouTube. That standing has been threatened, however, by the YouTube channel for T-Series, an Indian record label and film production house whose channel primarily features Bollywood movie trailers and music videos. As of this writing, T-Series currently has about 889,498,000 subscribers — less than PewDiePie, but only by a very small margin. (In fact, T-Series has unseated PewDiePie a handful of times for the honor of most-subscribed channel, albeit only temporarily.)

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David Mack‏ @davidmackau 16m16 minutes ago

NZ PM Ardern says Trump asked her during their phone call what the US can do to show support, and "my message was sympathy and love for all Muslim communities."

Asked if she agreed with Trump that white supremacy is not a problem on the rise, NZ PM Ardern responds swiftly, "No."

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1106658508882264065

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7 minutes ago, Max Power said:

It's pretty clear white supremacy is on the rise. They need to be treated the same as any other terrorist group. 

Too bad Trump cut funding combating it in the U.S.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/trump-shut-countering-violent-extremism-program/574237/

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18 minutes ago, TobiasFunke said:

Joe posts a lot about how we’re supposed to treat each other with respect and not contempt.  

At what point is continuing to support this guy, who encourages white supremacist and welcomes them into his White House and his support base, contemptible?  Aren’t we already there? Don’t we owe our fellow human beings who are targets of white supremacists (I’m one, as a Jew) a duty to be outraged instead of just pretending this is OK? 

I think we were well past that point after Charlottesville.  And we’re certainly past it now. I was raised on memories of the Holocaust and taught the importance of “never again.”  Im starting to wonder if many of my middle-aged white peers who weredidn’t get that message.

Quite some time ago IMO. Agree with everything you’ve said. Those...people...are fully deserving of contempt. 

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In the last decade, 73.3% of all domestic extremist-related killings have been perpetrated by right-wing extremists, compared to 23.4% perpetrated by terrorists motivated by Salafi-jihadism and 3.2% by left-wing extremism. Re-upping this piece.

https://twitter.com/Ali_H_Soufan/status/1106515748422410240

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I don't understand how these acts help the white supremacists' agenda.
Is the aim to kill every non-white in the world? Be the most feared race on earth? What does this accomplish other than make people hate your group more than they already do?

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4 minutes ago, EYLive said:

I don't understand how these acts help the white supremacists' agenda.
Is the aim to kill every non-white in the world? Be the most feared race on earth? What does this accomplish other than make people hate your group more than they already do?

To make immigrants feel unwelcome and make them wish to leave.  

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53 minutes ago, BigSteelThrill said:
5 hours ago, jonessed said:

I don’t lump Trump in with Steve King.

But its pretty damn close.

I think everyone remembers when John McCain cut off the lady who called Obama an Arab, took the microphone from her and told her he's a decent man.

Compare and contrast.

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2 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

I think everyone remembers when John McCain cut off the lady who called Obama an Arab, took the microphone from her and told her he's a decent man.

Compare and contrast.

I listen to a northshore radio program on the morning drive sometimes, it’s tea party stuff. The host has actually been on Fox. And it amazes me how outright supremacists will call up and talk about the need for outright racialist laws right in the middle of varied Trumpite discussions about trade, Russia, immigration. The host just says things like ‘that's an interesting point’ & ‘that’s something to consider’ and then seemlessly move on.

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7 minutes ago, Max Power said:

So what agency is on tap with taking them out? The FBI? With the help of the NSA?

You’re not gonna wanna hear it, but at the moment it’s the DNC.  Because they’re in the ####### White House. Trump won’t even fund research into these people.

I mean, the guy used the exact same language to describe dark-skinned immigrants as the terrorist (“invasion”).  TODAY.  He couldn’t even wait 24 hours to go back to being an unconscionable monster.

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6 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Not an argument you will even come close to winning.  The board seems to be leaning toward if Trump wasn't in office, this wouldn't have happened.  

Come on. 

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19 hours ago, furleybaby said:

Can we just take a torch to 4chan/8chan/whatever?

So I'm an idiot to this stuff, but I'm guessing a company provides the framework for their site/etc.  Who?  Theyneed to be boycotted.

Some research revealed that at&t and verizon blocked them before but temporarily.  They need to be blocked.

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5 minutes ago, Officer Pete Malloy said:

One might even reasonably have contempt for them.

Though perhaps this “Trump supporter” just has legitimate concerns about illegal immigration and is actually a good, intelligent person.

Gosh, it even feels asinine to just type that out.

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In the wake of this tragedy, we’ve spent some time in this thread criticizing President Trump for his anti- Muslim bigotry, and rightly so. But some of our outrage and contempt should be left over for Fox News hosts Jeanne Pirro and Tucker Carlson: 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/media/433807-several-advertisers-cut-ties-to-fox-news-shows-hosted-by-pirro-carlson%3famp

Why are these two still on the air? Why does Fox allow hate speech? It’s outrageous. 

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29 minutes ago, Officer Pete Malloy said:

Are these serious questions? You know damn well why.

Yeah, it’s a real mystery.  Better call in Poirot. 

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We should do a study and try to figure out why Breitbart lets the alt right post on their site, too.  

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1 minute ago, Officer Pete Malloy said:

H. Ross?

Of the Friends, I’d probably rely more on Chandler. 

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3 hours ago, Officer Pete Malloy said:

This makes me sad

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5 minutes ago, Doctor Detroit said:

This makes me sad

Cleveland makes a lot of people sad. 

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5 minutes ago, Zigg said:

Cleveland makes a lot of people sad. 

Well, sure.

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