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Per http://NewsLibrary.com , Elizabeth Warren has gotten 5x more media coverage than Pete Buttigieg over the past 30 days, but Pete Buttigieg has gotten 1.3x more Google search traffic.

 

Nate Silver‏Verified account @NateSilver538 28m28 minutes ago

What that means to me: interest in Buttigieg is fairly organic and is *not* especially media-driven. There are various critiques you can make about e.g. Beto's media coverage, and none of them apply very well to Buttigieg.

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25 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

More observations:

Nate Silver‏Verified account @NateSilver538

Per http://NewsLibrary.com , Elizabeth Warren has gotten 5x more media coverage than Pete Buttigieg over the past 30 days, but Pete Buttigieg has gotten 1.3x more Google search traffic.

That makes sense.  The more media coverage Elizabeth Warren gets, the more people go searching for somebody else.

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1 hour ago, Sinn Fein said:

A couple of interesting data points:

Buttigieg, who has formed an exploratory committee but has not officially declared, was polling at 0 percent in Emerson's January survey of Iowa, which shows his recognition and support have grown significantly in the last few months.

And, 

His performance in Sunday's Emerson poll was boosted by placing second in the 18-to-29-year-old demographic, with 22 percent. Sanders led that category with 44 percent.

 

I think this makes sense - I would expect Buttigieg to draw from younger voters first, and I think this is a clear warning sign for Sanders, who capitalized on young supporters in 2016, but is vulnerable to a candidate like Buttigieg.

 

Pete/Skywalker, Sanders/Yoda.

https://www.jfklibrary.org/learn/education/profile-in-courage-essay-contest/past-winning-essays/2000-winning-essay-by-peter-buttigieg

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Who knows if he will go the distance, but a VP of Buttigieg after the tenure of Pence would be pretty poetic. 

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Butt Buzz Building

(my headline, not the NYT's)

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Near the High Line in Manhattan, more than 250 people gathered at The Park restaurant last week to hear about a Democratic mayor’s long-shot bid for the presidency.

The New York City Council speaker, Corey Johnson, worked the crowd, boasting about the mayor’s accomplishments, and how he had done a “tremendous amount” to “create jobs” and move “the conversation nationally” to important issues.

But the mayor in question was not Bill de Blasio, mayor of New York City, population 8.6 million. It was Pete Buttigieg, mayor of South Bend, Ind., population 102,245.

Both men are considering a presidential run but only one of their potential candidacies seems to be taken seriously.

Mr. Buttigieg, 37, has raised money from more than 65,000 individual donors, qualifying him to participate in the first Democratic debate in June. A recent poll of the Iowa caucus by Emerson Polling placed Mr. Buttigieg in third among Democrats.

Mr. de Blasio, 57, has appeared before small crowds in early primary states such as Iowa, South Carolina and New Hampshire, and came in last in a recent Quinnipiac University poll that asked which New York politician would make the best president.

“Bill de Blasio’s Embarrassing Quest for National Fame,” was the headline on a recent article in The New Republic about Mr. de Blasio’s travels to early primary states.

Even in New York, Mr. Buttigieg, perhaps unsurprisingly, seemed to be the mayor of choice for a White House bid.

“Mayor Pete is fresh, he’s untainted,” said Michael Zorek, 58, who attended a fund-raiser Friday for Mr. Buttigieg in Chelsea with his wife, Shelly Friedland, 53, a lawyer; the couple lives on the Upper West Side. “He has an entirely different story than any other politician in our lifetime.”

Mr. Buttigieg (pronounced BOOT-edge-edge) is gay and married and a veteran of the war in Afghanistan who speaks Arabic. He gained exposure in 2017 after a failed run for chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

“Mayor de Blasio’s record here is mixed,” Ms. Friedland chimed in. “I don’t think he’s terrible, but I don’t support him moving to another job.”

Katie Held, 35, a tech product manager who has lived in Manhattan for four years, said Mr. Buttigieg has “East Coast values with a Midwestern knowledge.”

Asked about a potential de Blasio campaign for president, Ms. Held said, “No. Stay where you are. Work on that.”

Ever since Mr. de Blasio unexpectedly emerged from a clump of Democrats to become mayor in 2013, he has sought to broaden his message and profile to a national audience.

Mr. de Blasio quickly achieved his signature accomplishment, universal prekindergarten, but his tenure has been marred by increased homelessness, the continued deterioration of the city’s public housing stock and scrutiny over some of his fund-raising techniques.

He has even been blamed for the city’s troubled subway system although he is not in charge of it.

Mike Casca, a spokesman for Mr. de Blasio, said comparing Mr. Buttigieg and Mr. de Blasio was “apples and oranges” because the mayor is not a candidate. Mr. Casca, it should be noted, previously worked for Bernie Sanders on his 2016 presidential campaign and in his Senate office, and is one of two City Hall aides helping the mayor with his presidential aspirations.

Rebecca Katz, a former special adviser to Mr. de Blasio who is not currently attached to his exploratory bid, said that the mayor “has a progressive record to run on that is strong, but of all the candidates he has the busiest day job.”

“Bill de Blasio put almost as many kids through pre-K last year as who live in South Bend,” she added.

But there is no question that Mr. Buttigieg has generated more buzz; his recent visit to Manhattan was his third fund-raising effort in New York City.

“To have an openly gay mayor to now be considered the hottest ticket in town running for president is a very, very exciting thing,” said Mr. Johnson, who is gay.

Why not Mr. de Blasio?

“I think Bill has accomplishments to point to like universal pre-K,” Mr. Johnson said. If Mr. de Blasio runs, “there needs to be a message that inspires people.”

Mr. Johnson stressed that he has not endorsed anyone for president yet; that was also the case for Phil Walzak, a former top de Blasio adviser who attended Mr. Buttigieg’s fund-raiser at The Park.

“Mayor Pete has a compelling story and message,” said Mr. Walzak, now the top spokesman for the Police Department. But he added that Mr. de Blasio “has a real record to run on.”

Kenneth Sherrill, a professor emeritus of political science at Hunter College, said that there was a general sense that Mr. de Blasio “has not been terribly successful at managing New York City.”

He added: “He started out very well, made good appointments, did pre-K, a major achievement, and family leave. The first six months to a year made you hungry to see what was coming next, and the answer was bupkis.”

Mr. de Blasio has offered a different view of his tenure; on a recent trip to New Hampshire, he highlighted initiatives like universal prekindergarten and a push to make mental health services more broadly available as things that should become national priorities.

All of these efforts are going “full steam,” the mayor said recently, in response to a question of how he would respond to New Yorkers wondering why he was in South Carolina or Iowa. The fact that Mr. Buttigieg is getting more attention will not deter him, the mayor said.

“I don’t pay a whole lot of attention to what other folks do,” he said.

Mr. Buttigieg also declined to speak specifically about his fellow mayor.

“At a moment where the party is really trying to figure out what its future will be, the bigger the range of options, the better off we’ll be,” Mr. Buttigieg said just before leaving New York for South Carolina.

Still, it was somewhat telling that Mr. Buttigieg had been introduced by Mr. Johnson, Mr. de Blasio’s City Hall colleague.

“One of the most attractive qualities in politics is authenticity, and a good story and a level of enthusiasm and charisma, and I think Mayor Pete has shown that through the course of this short campaign,” Mr. Johnson said. “His message has been inspiring for people, and people at this moment in time want to be inspired.”

 

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It's not a qualification for being President, but I just read that, in addition to having taught himself Norwegian, Mayor Pete is also conversant in Spanish, Italian, Maltese (which is apparently a language in addition to being a dog), Arabic, Dari (which I had to look up), and French.

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1 hour ago, krista4 said:

It's not a qualification for being President, but I just read that, in addition to having taught himself Norwegian, Mayor Pete is also conversant in Spanish, Italian, Maltese (which is apparently a language in addition to being a dog), Arabic, Dari (which I had to look up), and French.

He taught himself Norwegian because there was an author he read a translation of whom he enjoyed.  And everything else the author wrote was only available in Norwegian. 

He has been known to go down to the hospital unrequested when he hears over the police radio that there’s no translator available who can speak Arabic.

He’s a decent man.  And a smart man.  He seems open minded. And I think he truly wants to help people. 

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Big fan. The moniker "Mayor Pete" has such potential too.

Also secretly want to hear Trump say something cringworthy about how he is the greatest ally to gay people while debating Mayor Pete in the general

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1 hour ago, the moops said:

Big fan. The moniker "Mayor Pete" has such potential too.

Also secretly want to hear Trump say something cringworthy about how he is the greatest ally to gay people while debating Mayor Pete in the general

Mayor Pete could also talk about his voluntary military service, while Trump could talk about his personnel Vietnam in NYC nightclubs. I think he could make a dent in the military vote in central and north Florida, where many live and work after retiring from military service.

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IOWA POLL: @JoeBiden and @BernieSanders lead the Democratic Primary; @PeteButtigieg rises to double digits

 

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/iowa-2020-biden-and-sanders-neck-and-neck-in-democratic-field-mayor-pete-jumps-to-double-digits

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9 hours ago, krista4 said:

It's not a qualification for being President, but I just read that, in addition to having taught himself Norwegian, Mayor Pete is also conversant in..... Maltese (which is apparently a language in addition to being a dog)

Word in the bird community is that he also speaks falcon....

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8 hours ago, Henry Ford said:

He taught himself Norwegian because there was an author he read a translation of whom he enjoyed.  And everything else the author wrote was only available in Norwegian. 

He has been known to go down to the hospital unrequested when he hears over the police radio that there’s no translator available who can speak Arabic.

He’s a decent man.  And a smart man.  He seems open minded. And I think he truly wants to help people. 

The type of person we should be wanting to serve and lead this country.

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29 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

The type of person we should be wanting to serve and lead this country.

Damn skippy. And you just know that such a cunning linguist has already prepared a forensic flowchart of semantic traps for to catch any fuzzy narcissist who might fall into debating him one-on-one

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8 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

Damn skippy. And you just know that such a cunning linguist has already prepared a forensic flowchart of semantic traps for to catch any fuzzy narcissist who might fall into debating him one-on-one

No flipping way Trump would ever go toe-to-toe with Mayor Pete. Have to assume that's already been determined.

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21 hours ago, Apple Jack said:

No flipping way Trump would ever go toe-to-toe with Mayor Pete. Have to assume that's already been determined.

GOTsta face the BootyJudge!

 

 

ETA: Bring my boot to da edge-edge/Kick dat suit off da ledge-ledge/Cuz Trump is a chump onna way to da dump/I'm da BootyJudge, yeah-yeah/And i'm phyllin' lahhge, YEEah-yeah

 

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13 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

No flipping way Trump would ever go toe-to-toe with Mayor Pete. Have to assume that's already been determined.

Trump will create a smarmy nickname for him, insult some sort of physical appearance, make fun of his spouse and then tell some lies about him. That is really all Trump has. He's one note.

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12 minutes ago, ericttspikes said:

Trump will create a smarmy nickname for him, insult some sort of physical appearance, make fun of his spouse and then tell some lies about him. That is really all Trump has. He's one note.

The gay thing's gonna make that extra tricky, tho. You can call Warren "Pocahontas" but i don't think the electorate is gonna go for any "Tinker Bell"-type reference.

 

 

ETA: Cain't no beauty judge, yeah-yeah/Beat da BootyJudge, yeah-yeah/Mayor Pete bring da heat/You compete, he defeat/He da BootyJudge, yeah-yeah

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3 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

The gay thing's gonna make that extra tricky, tho. You can call Warren "Pocahontas" but i don't think the electorate is gonna go for any "Tinker Bell"-type reference.

 

 

Cain't no beauty judge/Beat da BootyJudge/Mayor Pete bring da heat/You compete, he defeat/He da BootyJedge, yeah-yeah

I think he'll avoid it for the most part but won't be able to help himself and gets busted with something like more like Peter in da Buttigieg amirite type comment or possibly 4am tweet. He is not emotionally mature enough to leave it alone.

and that will be a net positive for mayor Pete.

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Just now, wikkidpissah said:

The gay thing's gonna make that extra tricky, tho. You can call Warren "Pocahontas" but i don't think the electorate is gonna go for any "Tinker Bell"-type reference.

 

I wouldn't be shocked if he went there. Trump doesn't play to the electorate at large, only his base. I wish I was wrong, but I think his hardcore supporters would love it actually. It's a tried and true conservative wedge issue that I haven't seen much evidence of the GOP moving on from.

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1 minute ago, ericttspikes said:

I wouldn't be shocked if he went there. Trump doesn't play to the electorate at large, only his base. I wish I was wrong, but I think his hardcore supporters would love it actually. It's a tried and true conservative wedge issue that I haven't seen much evidence of the GOP moving on from.

Yep and I don't doubt for a second that mayor Pete is waiting patiently for it with a haymaker fully-cocked.

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5 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

I think he'll avoid it for the most part but won't be able to help himself and gets busted with something like more like Peter in da Buttigieg amirite type comment or possibly 4am tweet. He is not emotionally mature enough to leave it alone.

and that will be a net positive for mayor Pete.

An openly gay man...with Butt in his last name that some pronounce as Booty Judge...its like a softball on a tee waiting for Trump to take a swing of foolishness.  Im only surprised he hasn't fired off a tweet yet on that.  The minute Pete says something negative about him that gains major traction, you know he has something queued up.

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2 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

Yep and I don't doubt for a second that mayor Pete is waiting patiently for it with a haymaker fully-cocked.

True...I think he has a response ready, but I think it will be a sneaky haymaker.  Like a shot you don't really see coming or even connect...but it lands strongly with the electorate.

It might also be that Trump holds off because he knows Pete would be tough to tear apart and beat.

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Pete seems to have the ability to land punches himself, in a plain spoken, matter of fact way. His takedown of Pence as being "a cheerleader of the porn star presidency" is a solid punch that was thrown at Pence that also landed on Trump. 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/03/11/pete_buttigieg_mike_pence_has_gone_from_religious_conservative_to_a_cheerleader_for_the_porn_star_presidency.html

Pete is in a unique position to go after fellow Hoosier Pence that points out his hypocrisy and cruelness toward gay people like Pete. Pete's ability to vocalize his liberal interpretation of his religion is a powerful tool.

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34 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

An openly gay man...with Butt in his last name that some pronounce as Booty Judge...its like a softball on a tee waiting for Trump to take a swing of foolishness.  

Honestly, I think the writers have gotten a little lazy and predictable this season.

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3 hours ago, Apple Jack said:

Yep and I don't doubt for a second that mayor Pete is waiting patiently for it with a haymaker fully-cocked.

please let it include a Ron Jeremy reference

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3 hours ago, ericttspikes said:

I wouldn't be shocked if he went there. Trump doesn't play to the electorate at large, only his base. I wish I was wrong, but I think his hardcore supporters would love it actually. It's a tried and true conservative wedge issue that I haven't seen much evidence of the GOP moving on from.

here is some 70 year old culture warrior dude "going there" in critique of Pete. Unsurprisingly, the commenters LOVE it. These are the dark souls Trump connects with and what to expect if Pete is able to become a serious contender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X17xoQbV5M

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The one thing I think he might be missing - to win the nomination - is that "rock star" mentality. 

He has everything you should want in a candidate imo.  But, I think to win the nomination, he will have to show that he can fill arenas, and generate enthusiasm outside of his folksy charm.

He has shown he can dominate in intimate settings, but I think he also has to show he can dominate in big settings.

 

He might have that in him - he just has not had to show that skill yet.

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3 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

The one thing I think he might be missing - to win the nomination - is that "rock star" mentality. 

He has everything you should want in a candidate imo.  But, I think to win the nomination, he will have to show that he can fill arenas, and generate enthusiasm outside of his folksy charm.

He has shown he can dominate in intimate settings, but I think he also has to show he can dominate in big settings.

 

He might have that in him - he just has not had to show that skill yet.

Just read something about this today. He's aware of it, but yeah, it will be interesting to see if he can adjust for bigger crowds. He's got time to figure it out I suppose.

 

The enthusiastic crowds of hundreds who’ve packed his first two stops have been much larger than the 37-year-old mayor of South Bend, Indiana, and his team expected. It’s “wonderful,” he says, but the cheering and prolonged applause are messing with his delivery. Sometimes he neglects to pause, and his next words are drowned out. Other times people start clapping when he doesn’t expect it.

“I need to relearn the timing of my stump speech,” Buttigieg says. “I’ve been used to a format where I go in, there’s 50 people, I do my little spiel and then we have some Q&A and hopefully they walk away impressed. Now every one of these things we put on the calendar as a meet and greet is turning out to be a rally.”

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/pete-buttigieg-gains-crowds-tv-spots-campaign-cash-n987541

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19 minutes ago, ericttspikes said:

here is some 70 year old culture warrior dude "going there" in critique of Pete. Unsurprisingly, the commenters LOVE it. These are the dark souls Trump connects with and what to expect if Pete is able to become a serious contender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X17xoQbV5M

Who is the bowtie wearing the human suit?

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8 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

The one thing I think he might be missing - to win the nomination - is that "rock star" mentality. 

He has everything you should want in a candidate imo.  But, I think to win the nomination, he will have to show that he can fill arenas, and generate enthusiasm outside of his folksy charm.

He has shown he can dominate in intimate settings, but I think he also has to show he can dominate in big settings.

 

He might have that in him - he just has not had to show that skill yet.

Probably a valid concern/criticism from a primary season viewpoint.  I do think, though, that a good portion of independents/undecideds will find his demeanor both refreshing and inviting when compared to the larger-than-life caricature should he be in the general election.  Can you just imagine the wonderful contrast of his humble genuineness to Mr Know It All’s braggadocious persona?  

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3 minutes ago, That one guy said:

Probably a valid concern/criticism from a primary season viewpoint.  I do think, though, that a good portion of independents/undecideds will find his demeanor both refreshing and inviting when compared to the larger-than-life caricature should he be in the general election.  Can you just imagine the wonderful contrast of his humble genuineness to Mr Know It All’s braggadocious persona?  

No question - as a person, he may be a polar opposite to Trump.

 

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37 minutes ago, That one guy said:

  Can you just imagine the wonderful contrast of his humble genuineness to Mr Know It All’s braggadocious persona?  

@Mr. Know-It-All

You just gonna let this fly?

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Pete Buttigieg on Chick-Fil-A: "I do not approve of their politics. I kind of approve of their chicken. Maybe if nothing else, I can build that bridge. Maybe I'll be in a position to broker that peace deal."

 

 

:lmao:

I should cross-post in the Chick-Fil-A thread...

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On 3/22/2019 at 11:38 AM, wikkidpissah said:

i posted this monday in the straw poll thread:

town hall

I'm now a big fan. Moved way up in my rankings.

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25 minutes ago, cap'n grunge said:

I'm now a big fan. Moved way up in my rankings.

Same here. His candor is outstanding, and I like his ideas. I’m listening.

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Finally hearing him speak. Admittedly dismissed him as sort of a joke (Mayor of South Bend, come on :lol: ).

Watched him talk about the ACA issue in an interview, was on MSNBC so friendly fire with mostly fawning softballs.

He came across great. Informed (at least on that topic), very composed, super reasonable.

Look forward to seeing him more. 

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30 minutes ago, The General said:

Finally hearing him speak. Admittedly dismissed him as sort of a joke (Mayor of South Bend, come on :lol: ).

Watched him talk about the ACA issue in an interview, was on MSNBC so friendly fire with mostly fawning softballs.

He came across great. Informed (at least on that topic), very composed, super reasonable.

Look forward to seeing him more. 

This was posted earlier - Buttigieg on FoxNews

If you want a little less softball approach

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5 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

The one thing I think he might be missing - to win the nomination - is that "rock star" mentality. 

He has everything you should want in a candidate imo.  But, I think to win the nomination, he will have to show that he can fill arenas, and generate enthusiasm outside of his folksy charm.

He has shown he can dominate in intimate settings, but I think he also has to show he can dominate in big settings.

 

He might have that in him - he just has not had to show that skill yet.

I think @wikkidpissah's comparison to Jimmy Carter is spot on.  His momentum will build.

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13 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

This was posted earlier - Buttigieg on FoxNews

If you want a little less softball approach

He's impressive. Amazing he's gotten this much traction so far, testament to his composure.

Kept seeing his name pop up and I can see why. Definitely a young star in the Dem party, trending towards something big.

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5 hours ago, ericttspikes said:

Pete on NYC's The Breakfast Club knocking it out of the park as usual. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=707&v=zunsfxjyOAE

I haven't seen a bad interview yet, but this is probably my favorite one so far.

 

Two things continue to jump out: policy fluency and authenticity. As impressive as I've ever seen in a politician on both counts. 

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1 hour ago, Arsenal of Doom said:

I haven't seen a bad interview yet, but this is probably my favorite one so far.

 

Two things continue to jump out: policy fluency and authenticity. As impressive as I've ever seen in a politician on both counts. 

Yeah baby! Mayor Pete rocks.

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Really hoping we don't find a trail of dead prostitutes in the coming months but so far, so good.

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15 hours ago, Apple Jack said:

Really hoping we don't find a trail of dead prostitutes in the coming months but so far, so good.

I'd be very surprised if he's not squeaky clean.  But if he's truly rising in the polls, he's going to be attacked somehow.

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