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The thing I worry about Pete (by far my favorite of the front runners) is whether he can actually build back the institutions that uphold the norms we are talking about. I worry about his relative inexperience in navigating the bureaucracy of DC.  This was a big problem that Obama had too IMO.  

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:scared:

 

Reading rumors of a big number for Buttigieg tonight.  Kind of nervous now.

 

ETA - Might just be a nasty rumor though...

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Des Moines Register/CNN poll

Buttigieg 25%
Warren 16%
Biden 15%
Sanders 15%
Klobuchar 6%
Booker 3%
Gabbard 3%
Harris 3%
Steyer 3%
Yang 3%
Bloomberg 2%

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I hope Pete is prepared for the Debate this week - I suspect the elbows will be out...

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1 minute ago, Sinn Fein said:

I hope Pete is prepared for the Debate this week - I suspect the elbows will be out...

If so, it should help him get more time. Good thing, IMO.

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We are still 3 months away from the caucus, an eternity in this race.  But this is the Selzer Poll, considered one of the best in the business, so I think its a pretty good reflection of where the race is today.

 

This should help Pete with fundraising, and it should also help raise his standing in the national polls - we will see if that happens, or if he needs prolonged success for the numbers to be reflected in the bigger picture.

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8 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

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Des Moines Register/CNN poll

Buttigieg 25%
Warren 16%
Biden 15%
Sanders 15%
Klobuchar 6%
Booker 3%
Gabbard 3%
Harris 3%
Steyer 3%
Yang 3%
Bloomberg 2%

 

Its happening.....

Thats big...man id be incredibly happy to be able to vote for this man in the general election.

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1 minute ago, sho nuff said:

Thats big...man id be incredibly happy to be able to vote for this man in the general election.

That was the big thing for me in the last debate.  I'd vote for Biden, Sanders, or Warren....but voting for Pete will be exciting.  Genuine and classy, the complete opposite of the current White House occupant. 

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David Axelrod @davidaxelrod · 11m

Yikes. These are stunning numbers! Guess who is going to get A LOT of attention at Wednesday’s debate!

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Great news on the poll.

Related: I came across a vid of Mayor Pete playing Jimi Hendrix on guitar. In light of his good poll numbers, I won't link to it. But, I will give him credit for trying to play Jimi live on TV. 👍

 

Also, I'm keeping an eye on Louisiana. (EDIT: Don't know why I added this. i must have thought I was in the 2019 Election Night thread.)

 

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Deeper Dive numbers

1st and 2nd Choice

  • Pete - 39
  • Warren - 36
  • Sanders - 28
  • Biden - 28
  • Klobuchar - 12
  • Harris - 10

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I think he'd have huge advantages in a debate vs Trump. Age, ala JFK, intellect, military service vs bone spurs, not a socialist, measured responses which would appeal to independents in swing states. 

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Man I like those #s.  Warren/Pete would be my dream ticket, but I'd gladly cast a vote for Pete/Warren too.  Very happy Sanders and Biden don't seem to be able to make any gains

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1 minute ago, SoBeDad said:

I think he'd have huge advantages in a debate vs Trump. Age, ala JFK, intellect, military service vs bone spurs, not a socialist, measured responses which would appeal to independents in swing states. 

He's also super quick on his feet and Trump wouldn't enjoy that very much.

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18 minutes ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

Man I like those #s.  Warren/Pete would be my dream ticket, but I'd gladly cast a vote for Pete/Warren too.  Very happy Sanders and Biden don't seem to be able to make any gains

Pete/Yang would be amazing

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So apparently Trump went to Walter Reed today -- reportedly for an unplanned physical.  (he's already had one this year)

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40 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

I hope Pete is prepared for the Debate this week - I suspect the elbows will be out...

His debate prep thus far has been really good. He’s the best debater of the nominees

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7 minutes ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

So apparently Trump went to Walter Reed today -- reportedly for an unplanned physical.  (he's already had one this year)

Yup, tucking this away for future reference.  

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34 minutes ago, SoBeDad said:

I think he'd have huge advantages in a debate vs Trump. Age, ala JFK, intellect, military service vs bone spurs, not a socialist, measured responses which would appeal to independents in swing states. 

Its would be just a huge contrast.

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15 minutes ago, Slapdash said:

Pete/Yang would be amazing

Buttigieg/Obama, calling it now.

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18 minutes ago, Mister CIA said:

Buttigieg/Obama, calling it now.

I would love this on so many, many levels.  I wish for it but can’t possibly see Obama doing it.

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There just might be hope for ending our nation's suffering after all!

 

Dan Pfeiffer @danpfeiffer

Well, this qualifies as a very good holy #### moment for the @PeteButtigieg campaign.

 

Link to the actual poll

The DeMoines Register's lengthy analysis: Iowa Poll: Pete Buttigieg rockets to the top of the 2020 field as a clear front-runner

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Iowa’s likely Democratic caucusgoers indicate growing enthusiasm.

According to the poll, 63% say they will definitely, rather than probably, caucus, an uptick of 3 percentage points since September.

Typically, Selzer said, commitment and enthusiasm reach their highest point just before the caucuses. But the percentage of those now saying they will definitely attend the Feb. 3, 2020, caucuses already eclipses the 53% who said they would do so just before the 2008 caucuses.

And in November 2007, 36% said they would be attending the caucuses for the first time — about on par with the 30% who identify as first-time caucusgoers today. In 2008, that grew to 60% in the final poll ahead of record-breaking turnout on caucus night.

“This is one of the signals that this is going to be, potentially, a different kind of caucus,” Selzer said.

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Needs a Walter White "say my name" political ad.

ETA: It's an SNL skit that writes itself.

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1 hour ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

So apparently Trump went to Walter Reed today -- reportedly for an unplanned physical.  (he's already had one this year)

Can't stand the guy but I hope he's ok.

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20 minutes ago, cap'n grunge said:

Can't stand the guy but I hope he's ok.

Only explanation that I heard was that it was him getting ahead of 2020 campaigning, but seems somewhat odd. If he was sick, wouldn't they just have somebody come to the White House though?

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38 minutes ago, cubd8 said:

Only explanation that I heard was that it was him getting ahead of 2020 campaigning, but seems somewhat odd. If he was sick, wouldn't they just have somebody come to the White House though?

I’d think the same thing for a physical but after a quick google looks like Trump’s Feb 2019 physical was a pretty involved affair - 4 hours long - and also done at Walter Reed.

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3 hours ago, cap'n grunge said:
4 hours ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

So apparently Trump went to Walter Reed today -- reportedly for an unplanned physical.  (he's already had one this year)

Can't stand the guy but I hope he's ok.

Yes. I'm also genuinely glad that there's no left-leaning version of Fox News to spread false rumors about it. (Wait, what thread are we in?)

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5 hours ago, sho nuff said:

Buttigieg 25%
Warren 16%
Biden 15%
Sanders 15%

This is pretty amazing ... and beautiful.

If he maintains that separation (or builds on it) through the caucus, it should greatly help in South Carolina as well. South Carolinians love a front-runner.

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8 hours ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

This is pretty amazing ... and beautiful.

If he maintains that separation (or builds on it) through the caucus, it should greatly help in South Carolina as well. South Carolinians love a front-runner.

Not sure how much winning/placing in IA, NH helps Pete in NV or SC, but it'll be a massive boost after those either way.

And yeah... mis-posted a couple things yesterday losing track of my tabs.  Sorry to derail the conversation.

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There is hope for the Democratic party if Mayor Pete can take Iowa.   The progressives(Bernie/Warren) were torpedoing the party IMHO.

I still feel like we don't know a lot about his policy.  Krista posted a link somewhere, but I can't find it.

The great thing is that Warren and Bernie will split the progressives, and neither will drop out.   Pete is not going to win the Southern States so he really needs to dominate the Midwest and the Northeast IMHO.

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13 hours ago, Mister CIA said:

Buttigieg/Obama, calling it now.

Barack or Michelle?  😎

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14 minutes ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

Not sure how much winning/placing in IA, NH helps Pete in NV or SC, but it'll be a massive boost after those either way.

It helps because lots of people still don’t really know much about him, and an even larger number of people have never really listened to him speak.

The more people pay attention to and listen to Pete.....the more they like him.

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Just now, Alex P Keaton said:

It helps because lots of people still don’t really know much about him, and an even larger number of people have never really listened to him speak.

The more people pay attention to and listen to Pete.....the more they like him.

True, but NV and SC have had TONS of coverage by the candidates -- so he'd have very little time to capitalize.  IMO (and it's a guess) an IA win and 2nd in NH (or whatev) would help him more in the states that haven't already been carpet bombed.

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2 minutes ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

True, but NV and SC have had TONS of coverage by the candidates -- so he'd have very little time to capitalize.  IMO (and it's a guess) an IA win and 2nd in NH (or whatev) would help him more in the states that haven't already been carpet bombed.

Most people aren’t paying attention yet.  80-90% of America doesn’t care about this phase of the “campaign.”  80-90% of people still aren’t paying attention, and won’t until a couple weeks before their state has a primary.

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1 hour ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

Not sure how much winning/placing in IA, NH helps Pete in NV or SC, but it'll be a massive boost after those either way.

And yeah... mis-posted a couple things yesterday losing track of my tabs.  Sorry to derail the conversation.

I think any boost he gets will help.  He just needs to avoid finishing a distant 3rd or 4th in SC, IMO.  If he makes up ground then it won't matter that he doesn't win.

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I've been reading/watching stuff on Stacey Abrams ever since @cap'n grunge started his Dem Ticket Combos thread. If there ever was a ticket made in heaven, it's Buttigieg/Abrams. She normalizes the "save your messin'. i'm getting #### DONE & done right" the way Mayor Pete normalizes the New Decency.

The bumper sticker: Buttigieg/Abrams 2020 - We got everything but old!

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5 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

I've been reading/watching stuff on Stacey Abrams ever since @cap'n grunge started his Dem Ticket Combos thread. If there ever was a ticket made in heaven, it's Buttigieg/Abrams. She normalizes the "save your messin'. i'm getting #### DONE & done right" the way Mayor Pete normalizes the New Decency.

The bumper sticker: Buttigieg/Abrams 2020 - We got everything but old!

When do nominees start announcing a potential running mate? - not only do I really like Abrams so would be excited about her running with Pete but I also think she could really boost his fallibility in the AA community.  Would be interesting if he came out soon with that.

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Just now, AAABatteries said:

When do nominees start announcing a potential running mate - not only do I really like Abrams so would be excited about her running with Pete but I also think she could really boost his fallibility in the AA community.  Would be interesting if he came out soon with that.

Usually not long before the Convention.  Long way to go.

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5 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

When do nominees start announcing a potential running mate? - not only do I really like Abrams so would be excited about her running with Pete but I also think she could really boost his fallibility in the AA community.  Would be interesting if he came out soon with that.

nothing say you cant, but that's usually a convention thing and certainly not a frontrunner move.

were i running Peteyjudge, though, i'd be offering Abrams an unofficial partnership (any job you want) now to get her out on the hype trail. she is as much of a unicorn as he

ETA: seriously, if i was running Buttigieg, i would offer her MY job (campaign chair) even. she's that perfect for him

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11 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

Usually not long before the Convention.  Long way to go.

What is the reason for that - just how it normally works?  Or is it because sometimes the other candidates end up being the running mates?

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6 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

What is the reason for that - just how it normally works?  Or is it because sometimes the other candidates end up being the running mates?

Ego & tradition. Veep's a necessary evil - it's remarkably hard to endure the rigors of a national campaign and then have to share it the last two months, so it's always put off til absolutely necessary. It has been talked about early as a Hail Mary pass for flailing campaigns in the past, but nothing more. Tho a toxic combo, Dubya/Cheney showed how potent a partnership can be, however.

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1 hour ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

True, but NV and SC have had TONS of coverage by the candidates -- so he'd have very little time to capitalize.  IMO (and it's a guess) an IA win and 2nd in NH (or whatev) would help him more in the states that haven't already been carpet bombed.

Pete is building up in both states, as we speak.

First Priority was certainly Iowa.  Then he started to build out New Hampshire.  In the last couple of weeks, they have announced more staff and offices in Nevada and South Carolina.

I think its just part of his strategy - build a foundation, and then build up.  If you build up too quickly, you risk it all falling down.

Pete's path runs through Iowa, and using that to build on for future states.  The foundations are being laid now - and I think if he wins Iowa, you will see a much bigger presence in the Super Tuesday states - including advertising specifically in those states.

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5 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

What is the reason for that - just how it normally works?  Or is it because sometimes the other candidates end up being the running mates?

I think it plays out that way for a couple reasons, the candidate does not want to be presumptuous - and the VP choice does not want to burn any potential bridges before the nomination is confirmed. 

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