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*** Official Pete Buttigieg Thread *** (3 Viewers)
- Thread starter Sinn Fein
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“One of my biggest advocates as I thought about running for office—a leader who inspired me in my journey to public service—was Mayor @PeteButtigieg
.” —@KareemahFowler
(this is a retweet of something that was originally tweeted a month ago, but...interesting timing on the re-tweet...)
ProofTaking selfies is not one of my strengths - I have two teenage daughters who handle most of the selfies in the house. So, I ask Lis if she would actually take the selfie - and she graciously did it
(courtesy @Man of Constant Sorrow)
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
thnx much.
Also, I want to add a preface b4 the rest come out. As mentioned Thursday, this was a *no flash* event. So, I went for emotion over technical quality. For those photogs out there, I raised my iso as far as I could (edit: comfortably - 3200 for the most part), and shot wide open aperture - free hand (as tripods were too big and even my monopad was too clumsy for my needs). I have done no noise reduction either. I may later, but am not really too concerned with it; it keeps things a little better focused, imo. Development is minimal also. I may adjust things b4 final shots are published.
Thus, expect lots of motion - hopefully, with excellent emotion.
I think Sinn killed it here.
More over the next few days.
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bigbottom
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bigbottom
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Knowing that you support Warren fills the Buttigieg campaign with sadness.
Two last tidbits from me:
1. At some point while Lis and Mike were talking - and for the life of me I can't recall who, or even the context, but one of them concluded a thought with "...and you can take that to the bank!" And MoCS and I immediately turned to each other as said: " @SWC !" So, even though he was not there in person, I think whenever two or more FBGs are together, SWC is always around in spirit - you can take that to the bank, bromigos!
2. When I was talking to Lis and Mike, I mentioned that I was disappointed that she had not worn her big sunglasses. If you follow the campaign at all on twitter or other social media, frequently you see a picture of Lis she is wearing over-sized sunglasses - even when you would not think they were necessary - like on the back of the bus when they did the media tour. She laughed, but then explained there was a practical reason for the sunglasses - particularly on the bus where she was sitting behind Pete, and facing all the media - the sunglasses helped hide any reactions she had to questions asked or answers given - so as not to give anything away to the media. Pro tip.
1. At some point while Lis and Mike were talking - and for the life of me I can't recall who, or even the context, but one of them concluded a thought with "...and you can take that to the bank!" And MoCS and I immediately turned to each other as said: " @SWC !" So, even though he was not there in person, I think whenever two or more FBGs are together, SWC is always around in spirit - you can take that to the bank, bromigos!
2. When I was talking to Lis and Mike, I mentioned that I was disappointed that she had not worn her big sunglasses. If you follow the campaign at all on twitter or other social media, frequently you see a picture of Lis she is wearing over-sized sunglasses - even when you would not think they were necessary - like on the back of the bus when they did the media tour. She laughed, but then explained there was a practical reason for the sunglasses - particularly on the bus where she was sitting behind Pete, and facing all the media - the sunglasses helped hide any reactions she had to questions asked or answers given - so as not to give anything away to the media. Pro tip.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
@Sinn Fein @Man of Constant Sorrow
This is something I've asked on here elsewhere a million years ago, but this seems like a decent place to ask again, just to get new data points:
When you said "SWC!" how did you pronounce it? Spell it out? "Swik"? "Swiss"? Other?
This is important.
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I said S-W-C spelled out, but I think MoCS pronounced it "swisser" - adding the gratuitous -er to the end.
ETA - (Side note, I may not be the best test case here - SWC happen to be my initials
, so I am more prone to spell it out... )
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Thanks.I said S-W-C spelled out, but I think MoCS pronounced it "swisser" - adding the gratuitous -er to the end.
ETA - (Side note, I may not be the best test case here - SWC happen to be my initials
Glad to see at least one of you did it right.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Thanks.Glad to see at least one of you did it right.
Being as the SWC'er is in Wisconsin, I just figured he made a lot of swiss cheese.
That could be a poor assumption on my part, tho.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
I do have to disagree slightly here. I am 99.99% sure that who ever said it, concluded with, "bromigos". Well, that is what I heard.
This is truth.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Smart of MOCS to wear that hat if he was going to stand under the snout of that critter on the wall. that thing looked like it could still be having some nasal discharge so a protective hat was a wise precaution.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
He probably didn't notice it because he usually carries an umbrella to protect his hats
beef
Footballguy
Also, if it's not too much to ask, maybe add a few more colors? I'd like to order 8 so I can wear one every day and twice on Sunday. I'm really horrible at keeping up with laundry and don't want people to think I never change my shirt.
TIA
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Gentlemen,, while you both are correct (e.g. I'm smart, and I usually carry an umbrella to protect me hats), please note the following:
In Traditional Chinese Medicine, water buffalo horn (Cornu bubali) is used to help with "dispelling heat, relieving convulsions and cooling blood."
In my particular practice of Baguazhang we use the snot for similar purposes. Since there was no flash allowed during photos, I needed all the snot I could get, in order to minimize my convulsing.
Plus, it works nearly as well as Dapper Dan as a pomade.
Oh, go Pete.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
I imagine just saying "Baguazhang" raises a good deal of snot. Go Pete!
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Keen observation.
The word was formulated by ancient Chinese Taoist monks to achieve that very thing. Unfortunately, it was harder to teach the water buffalo to pronounce it properly, thus, snot farming is not quite as efficient as it could be.
GO PETE!!!
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Interesting, thorough article about Pete’s inability to connect with black voters so far:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/25/politics/pete-buttigieg-black-voters/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/25/politics/pete-buttigieg-black-voters/index.html
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
TripItUp
Footballguy
I disagree. The onus is on Pete to reach voters with his message.
I also think its lazy journalism to suggest that Pete does well in Iowa and New Hampshire because they have very few minority voters. I think that is a small part of it, but the bigger part is Pete has worked very hard campaigning in Iowa (and New Hampshire). The recent Selzer poll had a cross-tab showing that Pete had the highest percentage of voters who had seen him at a function. Pete's numbers have always improved when people meet him.
I think the same is, and will be, true in places like South Carolina. But, Pete has not yet put in the work to be able to get those results. And, even the times he has gone to South Carolina, he ends up attracting majority white audiences. Pete needs to roll up his proverbial sleeves, and meet voters on their turf. He needs to go out into communities, rather than try to stage events. Every candidate ends up going to churches, but I think Pete should try to line up a few appearances at economically poor schools - meet with students and teachers. Listen to the concerns of teachers - who live in and around those communities, and also see the impacts of community-wide issues in their students. Learn from those discussions and then apply those ideas into stump speeches and future debate work.
I think Pete can do it - but he needs to remember where he was polling in Iowa in February, and recall all the things he did to move to the forefront. There is no magic involved - just hard work.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
They could continue their blind and nearly monolithic support of the establishment Democrat. After all, that has worked well for them in the past. Its not as if their votes are taken for granted and often purchased for less value than the Dutch used to purchase Manhattan.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
The concepts are not opposed or mutually exclusive. I am confident Mayor Pete will put in the effort. He clearly is no stranger to hard work.
msommer
Footballguy
Totally agree. The big question is, is there time enough left to pull that off in a number of states?
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Juxtatarot
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The problem too is if he takes his foot off the gas in Iowa and New Hampshire to focus on South Carolina (and other southern states) he might lose his recent gains.
This makes sense to me.
I have a more general question less about Buttigieg and more about effectively getting a message out.
I agree completely with the power of personal meeting and taking the time to listen. It's how I try to do things in my real life. I'm a huge believer in it.
It's no news though that this style has a big problem: It doesn't scale.
Wondering general thoughts on this as well as specific as it relates to Buttigieg.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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+1 My entire career I've taken the time to visit people around the office rather than phone/e-mail every time. Knowing everyone you work with as a person makes office life better and goes a long way if/when you hit a bumpy patch and/or need a favor.
And, on-topic... Pete's trending on Twitter right now with a ban-worthy hashtag. Not sure exactly what it's about, but it definitely relates to his potential issues with the black community.
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msommer
Footballguy
Not sure it doesn't scale, (e.g. the shin dig @Sinn Fein and @Man of Constant Sorrow related above - no Pete, but no less effective). It takes a lot of time to wander around to meet Americans in their habitat even with a large campaign staff - so with only a year before the actual election, sligtly over half a year to the end of the primaries, how many states can Pete's machine create a groundswell in?
Yes, the answer likely lies there. Truthfully though, I believe it's way less effective sending others than if Buttigieg had actually been there in person. But the reality is it's still obviously very effective.
It's a "divide and conquer" type thing that is likely the answer.
And it's not a unique problem. I have a friend who's a great doctor. Everyone wants to see him. The reality is he can only see a finite number of people. If he's going to grow his practice, he has to add other good doctors patients will be happy with. Maybe not quite as happy as they'd be with him. But still happy.
I think that's likely the answer.
msommer
Footballguy
Ideally Pete needs to go himself, no doubt, but he can't, obviously. What he can do is to be a mainstay on the nighttime entertainment circuit (thus "meeting" people in their homes) - and if he wants to make inroads with minorities he'll also have to be seen meeting them and relating to them and their issues in a way that is authentic.
Here's a potential issue, though. He is thoughtful and measured. Someone seeking to redress (real or percieved) injustice may want more action/forcefulness than that.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I suspect once any community or demographic starts believing that he may win, or at least be the nominee, that they will warm to his message. Politics breeds pragmatism in many. If he does well or wins Iowa and New Hampshire and if he has been doing his work, even to no obvious effect right away in N.C., voters may hew to him in droves as their preferred candidates are eliminated or mortally wounded. For so many it is not about our guy, or gal, it is about not theirs.
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Mystery Achiever
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This is the article behind the tweets. I haven' read it yet, but a quick scan does show NSFW language. https://www.theroot.com/pete-buttigieg-is-a-lying-mf-1840038708
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Very well written. Lots to unpack in there. Some great points; some strange assumptions. Good read, thanks for sharing.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
I have now read it. There are a ton of assumptions based on this 27 second clip. What he said, in and of itself, seems accurate. To conclude he was being dismissive or ignorant of the root causes of the issue (under-funding, etc), you would need to see a transcript of what else was said and what question he was answering.
I read it - but I don't really think that Pete's point is wrong. Incomplete, but not necessarily wrong.
But - this is taken from Pete's Douglass Plan:
America needs to create an educational system that trains and empowers the next generation of Black scientists, artists, writers, college professors, lawyers, tech entrepreneurs, doctors, software engineers, police officers, teachers, and so much more. Yet today, too many children of color are being denied educational justice. From a lack of adequate resources, to critical teacher shortages, to discriminatory disciplinary policies that reduce instruction time and feed the school-to-prison pipeline, students of color are far too often not afforded the same educational opportunities as their white peers. And when the intellectual lives of students of color are diminished, America loses.
This opportunity gap causes over $500 billion in lost economic growth annually 9 and is one of the most significant contributors to the perpetuation of the Black-white wealth gap. Most people’s wealth is built through well-paid work10, but many Black students have been denied equal access to excellent education and in-demand job skills. The Schools of the Future Plan is our commitment to providing the resources needed to ensure every American child gains access to the skills they need to meet the economy of the future.
We will invest in an equitable public education system by massively increasing federal resources for students at Title I schools. Schools that serve students who come to school hungry, who lack access to high-quality health care, who experience homelessness, and who know firsthand the indignity of racial discrimination need more resources–not less–if they are to experience opportunity equal to their peers. A Buttigieg Administration will dramatically increase Title I funding to support higher teacher pay and supplemental services for lower-income students above and beyond state and local funding resources.
We will issue new regulations to diversify the teaching profession. By 2024, a minority of students in our public schools will identify as white, but 82% of teachers still identify as white.11 Studies show that same-race teachers can have an enormous impact: Black students with at least one Black teacher in grades 3-5 are much more likely to graduate high school and attend college.12 That is why we will require new transparency around teacher hiring procedures: states will disaggregate their applicant and hiring by race and document teacher diversity initiatives as part of their Every Student Succeeds Act school improvement plans. We will also set new guidelines around the use of Title II funds to invest in recruiting, training, and supporting the next generation of school leaders of color.
We will invest in high-quality state and local educational programs. We will increase federal investments and incentivize state and local investments in middle school, high school, and college programs to increase readiness and competitiveness for Black women and men in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) and fields of growing employment opportunities, especially health professions, software, finance, and alternative energy.
This, I think goes to the heart of the complaints in the article.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
The root pretty much never has anything well written. That article is just more of the same from them. Those stats he uses are all junk. Cherry picked. Those reports started with a desired outcome and then eliminated categories of funding and percentages of people to get where they wanted to get to. Start looking at the fiscal reports for the most heavily populated minority districts in the country and you can quickly see their math doesn't add up.
Something else that bothered me about the Root article:
"To this day, no one has ever built a bridge over that ditch."
I don't know Mr. Harriot, but he seems moderately successful. I struggle to understand why he wants to point fingers at society - when he hasn't lifted a finger himself. It seems to me that local politicians need to work on school transportation and/or build a safe walkway along that path, and over the creek/ditch.
"To this day, no one has ever built a bridge over that ditch."
I don't know Mr. Harriot, but he seems moderately successful. I struggle to understand why he wants to point fingers at society - when he hasn't lifted a finger himself. It seems to me that local politicians need to work on school transportation and/or build a safe walkway along that path, and over the creek/ditch.
Pete was always going to face an uphill battle with blacks since they are the racial group least LGBT friendly. However, I've also noticed elements of the far-left creating a meme culture around the idea that Pete just hates blacks. It is concerning and reminds me of the propaganda used to depress turnout in 2016.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
It’s a fair question to ask of Harriot: “why haven’t you made it a personal mission to get a bridge built over that ditch?”
msommer
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
That's of course if it actually exists as the only way to get to school outside of the massive delay he speaks of.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
All the recent national discussion about this topic is an opportunity. I think it's a good thing.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I suspect that if Michael Harriot and Pete Buttigeig sat down and talked about things that they'd agree quite a bit.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Probably a good idea actually...reach out, say, I understand you and I may disagree on things, can we talk about it and see where our differences and are similarities truely are.
Kilgore Trout
Footballguy
By that point in the article I am interpreting that ditch as being metaphorical. Read this sentence again:
