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*** Official Pete Buttigieg Thread *** (2 Viewers)

@teddyschleifer

NEWS: Pete Buttigieg is having an absolutely star-studded fundraiser in Palo Alto on Monday.

Hosts include people from the families of Sergey Brin, Eric Schmidt and Sheryl Sandberg.

Plus, Reed Hastings himself.

The Schmidt, Hastings, Sandberg and Brin families are worth a total of $80 billion.

Obviously not all of their family members are neccessarily backing Pete Buttigieg. But it's a vivid reminder of how appealing Buttigieg is to the nation's wealthiest.

Here are some photos of the Buttigieg fundraiser in Napa -- with the famous wine cave and the chandelier with 1,500 Swarovski crystals -- that @BrianSlodysko wrote about.
What's the implication here?

If he solicits donations from star-studded folks he'll be compromised?  

Could this be a fundraiser seeking to raise his status in California, where his polling numbers are terrible?  Maybe if he can impress some of the influential people there he can have more of a shot?

 
@teddyschleifer

NEWS: Pete Buttigieg is having an absolutely star-studded fundraiser in Palo Alto on Monday.

Hosts include people from the families of Sergey Brin, Eric Schmidt and Sheryl Sandberg.

Plus, Reed Hastings himself.

The Schmidt, Hastings, Sandberg and Brin families are worth a total of $80 billion.

Obviously not all of their family members are neccessarily backing Pete Buttigieg. But it's a vivid reminder of how appealing Buttigieg is to the nation's wealthiest.

Here are some photos of the Buttigieg fundraiser in Napa -- with the famous wine cave and the chandelier with 1,500 Swarovski crystals -- that @BrianSlodysko wrote about.
It’s what you expect from Wall Street Pete 💵 💰 💴 

 
What's the implication here?

If he solicits donations from star-studded folks he'll be compromised?  

Could this be a fundraiser seeking to raise his status in California, where his polling numbers are terrible?  Maybe if he can impress some of the influential people there he can have more of a shot?
Yes- that’s the implication.  

If he’s having swanky fundraisers with the rich- not merely the rich but the most obscene out of this orbit gazillionaire oligarchs - who do you think he’s going to serve when he acquires power?  I really didn’t think optics this bad would require an explanation.  

 
Yes- that’s the implication.  

If he’s having swanky fundraisers with the rich- not merely the rich but the most obscene out of this orbit gazillionaire oligarchs - who do you think he’s going to serve when he acquires power?  I really didn’t think optics this bad would require an explanation.  
Will they be contributing more than the maximum allowable contribution to his campaign?

 
Ah, yes.  "Wall Street Pete."  Who also happens to have the lowest net worth of any candidate, and the lowest current salary (if we include Biden's pension, I guess).

 
@teddyschleifer

Here are some photos of the Buttigieg fundraiser in Napa -- with the famous wine cave and the chandelier with 1,500 Swarovski crystals -- that @BrianSlodysko wrote about.
meh.

HALL (Rutherford) hosted that event, and fancy caves and ornate chandeliers are a dime-a-dozen in Napa Valley.

also, this headline from the AP story is stretching credulity: "Swarovski crystals, $900 cabernet and a Buttigieg fundraiser" (bold mine)

Hall sells their Cabernet Sauvignon for between $45 and $250 a bottle, which is middle of the road pricing for Napa these days. the only offerings that top $250 are large formats (i.e. Magnums and Double Mags). the headline, while technically accurate (there is a, single, 3.0l bottle for $900), would lead a reader to think that would be the price of many of the selections.

 
Yep, I don't remember if it was Ren or someone else who posted this, but he's apparently also a socialist.

"If a Socialist is Elected, the Market will sell off BIG," the hedge-fund manager said in a conference presentation. "Pick a Socialist - Bernie, Liz, Pete. etc. and the Market would sell off."

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/electing-sanders-warren-buttigieg-could-tank-market-50-percent-gidumal-2019-12-1028734371
Wall Street socialist.  The most dangerous kind. 

 
Wall Street socialist.  The most dangerous kind. 
I initially went with the laughing emoji, but this is actually not a joke. What we have now is somewhat like wall street "socialism" with government policies and legislation geared toward propping up corporations/wall street investment, probably to an unhealthy degree.

 
meh.

HALL (Rutherford) hosted that event, and fancy caves and ornate chandeliers are a dime-a-dozen in Napa Valley.

also, this headline from the AP story is stretching credulity: "Swarovski crystals, $900 cabernet and a Buttigieg fundraiser" (bold mine)

Hall sells their Cabernet Sauvignon for between $45 and $250 a bottle, which is middle of the road pricing for Napa these days. the only offerings that top $250 are large formats (i.e. Magnums and Double Mags). the headline, while technically accurate (there is a, single, 3.0l bottle for $900), would lead a reader to think that would be the price of many of the selections.
I don’t think I have ever paid more then $10.00 for a bottle of wine.  45.00 😮 

 
I don’t think I have ever paid more then $10.00 for a bottle of wine.  45.00 😮 
most folks don't go over about $12 at the grocery store or wine shop, but if you're in Napa Valley $45 is probably on the low side of the equation. 

when wineries are paying $10k per ton for Napa Cabernet Sauvignon, the bottle price is gonna be well north of $100.

throw in a couple of "98 Points!!" or "Wine of the Year!" and it's easy to slide up into middle triple digits.

crystal lighting and cave tasting venues ain't cheap.

 
most folks don't go over about $12 at the grocery store or wine shop, but if you're in Napa Valley $45 is probably on the low side of the equation. 

when wineries are paying $10k per ton for Napa Cabernet Sauvignon, the bottle price is gonna be well north of $100.

throw in a couple of "98 Points!!" or "Wine of the Year!" and it's easy to slide up into middle triple digits.

crystal lighting and cave tasting venues ain't cheap.
Thanks, good posting.  In WI we don’t get much CA wine.

 
squistion said:
Nate Silver‏ @NateSilver538 2m2 minutes ago

IMO almost all the Buttigieg thinkpieces underplay the impact of his sexual orientation on voter perceptions. Never been an openly gay major POTUS candidate before and (apart from being a big deal unto itself) that likely plays a decent-sized role in voter assessments.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1206743495320453121
I was just going to come in here and see if this has been discussed. 

I'm pretty much smack dab in the middle of Trump country, so I don't have a good read on how his sexual orientation will effect actual votes.

 
This seems unwarranted.  

I prefer policy and substance, too.  Specifically a policy and substance that has a chance to last beyond a single Presidential term.

We can argue all we'd like about his eventual legacy and whether we like all the things he did or whether someone else would have been better, but truly - do you think things would be better or worse today if Obama were 80 years old today and nothing else changed? I'm about 95% sure they would be worse.  It's important to see the face of the last administration still in the public eye, in my opinion, because it provides a throughline.  

And a 78 year old who had a heart attack two months ago may have amazing policies.  If so, I hope he continues to fight for them in any capacity he'd like. But he isn't my first choice to take over the most difficult and draining job in the world, and he certainly isn't my first choice to spend a year fighting for the job first.

I choose people based on policy and substance.  I can defend my choices based on policy and substance.  But those aren't the only considerations that go into voting for a presidential candidate.  If they were, we wouldn't have our current President.
It was totally warranted

 
Very informative.
Aw shucks man, I'm just a Harvard Rhodes scholar, downhome, openly gay military vet mayor Indiana boy!  Go Hoosiers! 

In February I talked like I supported Medicare4All, now I'm poisoning the well for it and sound like an AI bot for the private insurance cos!  I check off all the boxes!  I'll say anything, yet believe in nothing!  I wonder why these billionaire vampire squids like me so much, including my friend the human data harvesting program, I guess they're just ready for some hope & change!  

 
Aw shucks man, I'm just a Harvard Rhodes scholar, downhome, openly gay military vet mayor Indiana boy!  Go Hoosiers! 

In February I talked like I supported Medicare4All, now I'm poisoning the well for it and sound like an AI bot for the private insurance cos!  I check off all the boxes!  I'll say anything, yet believe in nothing!  I wonder why these billionaire vampire squids like me so much, including my friend the human data harvesting program, I guess they're just ready for some hope & change!  
Pete’s been supporting Medicare for All Who Want It as a bridge to get to Medicare For All since the beginning.  

 
Henry Ford said:
Ah, yes.  "Wall Street Pete."  Who also happens to have the lowest net worth of any candidate, and the lowest current salary (if we include Biden's pension, I guess).
BHO and the Clintons were pretty low on the net worth spectrum as well.  Wonder what changed all that?

 
I would.  Means I get another shot in 4 years to elect someone who isn't a corporate puppet.
With the effect that you'd be voting for someone working against healthcare for all AND who is a corporate puppet, and a lot of other bad things, by voting for Trump.

Your reasoning makes next to no sense

"I'm 100% pro-life, no exceptions.  The only candidates on this side are pro-life, but with exceptions for rape and incest and life of mother.  I can't tolerate that, so I'm going to vote for a candidate who will work for 4 years to expand access to abortions and who is rabidly pro-choice, in the hope that 4 years from now, after all the damage this person will do while in office, a magical unicorn will appear who fits my requirements 100%, who may get elected, and who may be able to push the bar closer to my ideal position." 

"I'm 100% anti-war.  Never should we have war.  The only candidate on my side of the aisle is someone who says they would almost never go to war, except in the case of self-defense or anything else unavoidable.  I can't tolerate that, so I'll vote for a military hawk who has been promoting that we need to go to war with multiple countries.  Then, maybe while we're mired in multiple wars due to this persons decisions, maybe a candidate comes along who is my pure 100% anti-war candidate and maybe they'll win and then maybe they'll be able to undo the damage the president I voted for caused over 4-8 years."

 
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With the effect that you'd be voting for someone working against healthcare for all AND who is a corporate puppet, and a lot of other bad things, by voting for Trump.

Your reasoning makes next to no sense

"I'm 100% pro-life, no exceptions.  The only candidates on this side are pro-life, but with exceptions for rape and incest and life of mother.  I can't tolerate that, so I'm going to vote for a candidate who will work for 4 years to expand access to abortions and who is rabidly pro-choice, in the hope that 4 years from now, after all the damage this person will do while in office, a magical unicorn will appear who fits my requirements 100%, who may get elected, and who may be able to push the bar closer to my ideal position." 

"I'm 100% anti-war.  Never should we have war.  The only candidate on my side of the aisle is someone who says they would almost never go to war, except in the case of self-defense or anything else unavoidable.  I can't tolerate that, so I'll vote for a military hawk who has been promoting that we need to go to war with multiple countries.  Then, maybe while we're mired in multiple wars due to this persons decisions, maybe a candidate comes along who is my pure 100% anti-war candidate and maybe they'll win and then maybe they'll be able to undo the damage the president I voted for caused over 4-8 years."
My stance on pro life/pro choice can best be described as apathetic.  Don't really care enough to let it sway my vote unless the candidate has an extreme stance.  

How many conflicts has Trump gotten us into?  Pretty sure it is substantially less than the 7 BHO entered and he won a Peace Prize.  He is so bad the Dems capitulated on NDAA with an increase of ~40% and didn't hold out for any concessions.  He talks a lot of crap but he is probably t he least hawkish POTUS we have had since Carter in that regard.

 
My stance on pro life/pro choice can best be described as apathetic.  Don't really care enough to let it sway my vote unless the candidate has an extreme stance.  

How many conflicts has Trump gotten us into?  Pretty sure it is substantially less than the 7 BHO entered and he won a Peace Prize.  He is so bad the Dems capitulated on NDAA with an increase of ~40% and didn't hold out for any concessions.  He talks a lot of crap but he is probably t he least hawkish POTUS we have had since Carter in that regard.
Those were analogies - not meant to be taken literally, but to illustrate why voting for someone who has a position counter to your own, just because the candidates on your side don't go far enough, is a bad idea.

 
Aw shucks man, I'm just a Harvard Rhodes scholar, downhome, openly gay military vet mayor Indiana boy!  Go Hoosiers! 

In February I talked like I supported Medicare4All, now I'm poisoning the well for it and sound like an AI bot for the private insurance cos!  I check off all the boxes!  I'll say anything, yet believe in nothing!  I wonder why these billionaire vampire squids like me so much, including my friend the human data harvesting program, I guess they're just ready for some hope & change!  
Unlike some, I don’t really want an extreme leftist in office.  My #1 goal is to preserve democracy.  That’s it.

 
Those were analogies - not meant to be taken literally, but to illustrate why voting for someone who has a position counter to your own, just because the candidates on your side don't go far enough, is a bad idea.
Yeah, but they don't come close on m4a.  The public option plans, that are already being walked back before the primaries, are hardly better than the ACA, which IMO is worse than  the system we had in place before it.  You thinkit's a bad idea, fine, I think it is leveraging my voting power.  The difference between Trump and Pete/Biden/Warren is marginal at best on these two issues.  If the difference between them was as you described, I'd be inclined to agree.  But it isn't.  And is just the extension of the tactics used in the last election.  Last time I voted Stein.  This time I'll leverage my vote a step further.

 
Yeah, but they don't come close on m4a.  The public option plans, that are already being walked back before the primaries, are hardly better than the ACA, which IMO is worse than  the system we had in place before it.  You thinkit's a bad idea, fine, I think it is leveraging my voting power.  The difference between Trump and Pete/Biden/Warren is marginal at best on these two issues.  If the difference between them was as you described, I'd be inclined to agree.  But it isn't.  And is just the extension of the tactics used in the last election.  Last time I voted Stein.  This time I'll leverage my vote a step further.
Ok, thanks for the response...this helps.

So you are of the opinion that between Pete and Trump, there's only a marginal difference about where the two candidates would take healthcare coverage in America?  After 4 more years of Trump, you believe that the number covered by insurance would be only marginally different than the number if Pete is elected?  

If so, can you explain why?

 
Pete’s been supporting Medicare for All Who Want It as a bridge to get to Medicare For All since the beginning.  
There has been a noticeable rhetorical shift since the early days of his campaign.

This former health insurance exec explains how Pete is now using industry talking points.  

It’s why people who gave money to Pete initially with the understanding that he was a youthful progressive are now asking for their money back.

 
Unlike some, I don’t really want an extreme leftist in office.  My #1 goal is to preserve democracy.  That’s it.
Sure.  Fair enough.  The problem I have with Pete isn’t that he isn’t smart or capable, or that I want democracy to fall, but that he’s Trump in smarter, more disarming clothing.  I don’t want to replace Trump with kinder, gentler corporate sadism.  

 
There has been a noticeable rhetorical shift since the early days of his campaign.

This former health insurance exec explains how Pete is now using industry talking points.  

It’s why people who gave money to Pete initially with the understanding that he was a youthful progressive are now asking for their money back.
I read his stance before and his stance now, and they're consistent.

Medicare for all who want it, general support for single payer in the future...and Pete has never promoted himself as super progressive.  From the start he's been a more centrist candidate.

 
Gopher State said:
It’s what you expect from Wall Street Pete 💵 💰 💴 
For a liberal it sure seems like you are looking for an excuse to vote for Trump.  You've asked for a centrist and not a progressive like Warren or Bernie.  Yet, you take jabs at Pete and Biden while talking up Trump's economy.  Interesting.  It's almost like you aren't really a liberal at all.

 
There has been a noticeable rhetorical shift since the early days of his campaign.

This former health insurance exec explains how Pete is now using industry talking points.  

It’s why people who gave money to Pete initially with the understanding that he was a youthful progressive are now asking for their money back.
Despite the conspiracy surrounding his "rhetorical shift" Pete’s been supporting Medicare for All Who Want It as a bridge to get to Medicare For All since the beginning.  

 
Despite the conspiracy surrounding his "rhetorical shift" Pete’s been supporting Medicare for All Who Want It as a bridge to get to Medicare For All since the beginning.  
And oddly enough (or perhaps not) the very transcript ren links to shows that very thing.

 
Despite the conspiracy surrounding his "rhetorical shift" Pete’s been supporting Medicare for All Who Want It as a bridge to get to Medicare For All since the beginning.  
What conspiracy?  It's facts.  Initially he led with it as the "center of gravity" and now he punches left against Sanders/Warren over it.  Flipflop.

 

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