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Why are President Trump's Tax Returns Important? (2 Viewers)

Joe Summer said:
"What does a FISA warrant have to do with being a good POTUS?"
"What does a birth certificate have to do with being a good POTUS?"
"What does an email server have to do with being a good POTUS?"
"What does Jeremiah Wright/Saul Alinksi have to do with being a good POTUS?"

The list goes on and on. "My side right or wrong" is no way to go through life.
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...and who would know better than those on the Left?

 
Joe Summer said:
He isn't taking a dime of salary because he makes up for it by charging rent to the U.S. government.
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You'd make it all back if you all charged him rent for living in your heads.

It's been rent-fee so far.

 
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dexa said:
Anything before he took office shouldn't matter, he wasn't being paid by the public.

In fact, even though he is doing public work, he isn't taking a dime of salary, so his private tax returns should not be known.
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What was with his whole "I would totally disclose my returns if I got the nomination" schtick?

 
dexa said:
Anything before he took office shouldn't matter, he wasn't being paid by the public.

In fact, even though he is doing public work, he isn't taking a dime of salary, so his private tax returns should not be known.
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Any ties that he had before and still has matter a lot.  He could have numerous conflicts of interest.  I would hope that you find it important that our President puts the nation's people before his own interests.  I don't feel Trump is that kind of man.

 
dexa said:
Maybe, maybe not.  Of course the President should put the nation's people before his and if you think our current President is not, then you probably think that Obama put the nation first when that is far from the truth.
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Obama produced his tax returns.

 
dexa said:
Good for him.  But it wasn't necessary.
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It simply refutes your point and yes it is necessary. No one ever claimed any conflicts, unethical behavior or possible crimes after reviewing Obama’s tax returns. The people and Congress have the right to do that and they’re entitled to it.

 
dexa said:
Maybe, maybe not.  Of course the President should put the nation's people before his and if you think our current President is not, then you probably think that Obama put the nation first when that is far from the truth.
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This isn’t about Obama.

But to appease your “what about”, in what way did Obama not put nation first or better yet, himself first?

 
dexa said:
Maybe, maybe not.  Of course the President should put the nation's people before his and if you think our current President is not, then you probably think that Obama put the nation first when that is far from the truth.
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You jammed Obama in there. Well done :lol:

 
dexa said:
Anything before he took office shouldn't matter, he wasn't being paid by the public.

In fact, even though he is doing public work, he isn't taking a dime of salary, so his private tax returns should not be known.
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I would argue this makes it more important to see his returns.

 
NCCommish said:
I am going to guess based on the tax experts the committee hired they know what they are looking for. 
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Certainly wont be net worth.

But this discussion is exactly why they want them. Most people don't understand squat about their own taxes, let alone somebody like Trump's. They have nothing to lose by going after them. All it takes is one personal return where he didnt make a lot of money. Then people will run with it. Or if charity donations are really low(which let's be honest, does anybody expect they aren't low?), they can run with that. If his tax liability was small (something he has admitted) then they will run with that. 

IIRC I think koya actually said he wanted to see them so he could see how much he was in debt to russia. 

So I 100% understand why they want them. 

 
dexa said:
Why?  He is worth around $3 billion.  He doesn't need to take a salary.

Maybe if more politicians would do this, things would be better than they currently are.
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I'm sure its the salary that attracts most to politics.

 
dexa said:
Why?  He is worth around $3 billion.  He doesn't need to take a salary.

Maybe if more politicians would do this, things would be better than they currently are.
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The guy his properties being upgraded, charges premium rates for all his staff/security, whenever he vacations and golfs at his properties. 

He told us he’d make money running for Prez. That’s what he was talking about.

It is generous of him to donate his salary though. 

 
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dexa said:
Why?  He is worth around $3 billion.  He doesn't need to take a salary.

Maybe if more politicians would do this, things would be better than they currently are.
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I don’t really care to see what he’s worth although I’d bet money it’s way less than he claims which is very important to him.

It’s about seeing all the shady #### he has done, why Deutsche Bank lent him billions when he was a huge risk, etc. 

 
dexa said:
Why?  He is worth around $3 billion.  He doesn't need to take a salary.

Maybe if more politicians would do this, things would be better than they currently are.
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He constantly reminds us about how rich he is. He has not divested from his businesses and put his assets in a blind trust. All of his policies get reduced to X costing us or making us money.  His charity got shut down. 

We are supposed to believe he is not taking his salary out of the goodness of his heart?  I’d rather he put his assets in a blind trust and take the salary. 

 
supermike80 said:
You stop doing that too and assuming people are buddies.   Be better than that
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Wait, you're telling me all the conservatives here aren't friends? How do you guys get together and set your master plan for harassing your political opponents? That's what us liberals do. (Speaking of which, @sho nuff said he can't make next month's meeting, so we'll need someone else to sing "The Internationale" at the beginning. @TheCommish ? @SaintsInDome2006?)

Seriously, dude, you really need to lighten up. You have a legit point about how posters tend to make assumptions; I've taken it to heart and tried to be much more mindful of it recently. But you undercut everything you say by being so obnoxious. It's like you start a thread and then immediately follow it up with 50 posts filled with complaints, insults and condescension that completely derail any conversation you were trying to start. If you made the exact same points in a nicer tone (and a little less repetitively), people might be more open to what you're saying. No one likes a hall monitor.

 
zftcg said:
Seriously, dude, you really need to lighten up. You have a legit point about how posters tend to make assumptions; I've taken it to heart and tried to be much more mindful of it recently. But you undercut everything you say by being so obnoxious. It's like you start a thread and then immediately follow it up with 50 posts filled with complaints, insults and condescension that completely derail any conversation you were trying to start. If you made the exact same points in a nicer tone (and a little less repetitively), people might be more open to what you're saying. No one likes a hall monitor.
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Here you go making assumptions he is trying to start a conversation  Be better than that.

 
zftcg said:
Wait, you're telling me all the conservatives here aren't friends? How do you guys get together and set your master plan for harassing your political opponents? That's what us liberals do. (Speaking of which, @sho nuff said he can't make next month's meeting, so we'll need someone else to sing "The Internationale" at the beginning. @TheCommish ? @SaintsInDome2006?)

Seriously, dude, you really need to lighten up. You have a legit point about how posters tend to make assumptions; I've taken it to heart and tried to be much more mindful of it recently. But you undercut everything you say by being so obnoxious. It's like you start a thread and then immediately follow it up with 50 posts filled with complaints, insults and condescension that completely derail any conversation you were trying to start. If you made the exact same points in a nicer tone (and a little less repetitively), people might be more open to what you're saying. No one likes a hall monitor.
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That dude's gonna be pissed you are linking him :lol:

But seriously...I only go for the cake...if there was no cake or they tried to substitute it with pie, I'm out....unless it was apple pie.....but they'd have to have ice cream too.

 
dexa said:
Maybe, maybe not.  Of course the President should put the nation's people before his and if you think our current President is not, then you probably think that Obama put the nation first when that is far from the truth.
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Obama is no longer the President. I think it’s time to move on from that whataboutism. 

I think Trump cares more about himself than anything else. 

 
badmojo1006 said:
Tell me, which banned loser poster are you? It's really sad.
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Here’s a suggestion to everyone.  If you think a new alias is a banned poster - for the love of god put them on ignore and save the rest of us from being exposed to their bull####.  There’s a reason they were banned and it’s not because of their great contributions to the bored.

 
I think a better question is why Trump supporters are so ok being constantly lied to.  And why it's ok for Trump to break presidential norms left and right.  He literally said he would release them and he hasn't.  If asking for proof that the president is only working for the good of the country is too high a bar for Trump, well then what bar is too low?

 
AAABatteries said:
Here’s a suggestion to everyone.  If you think a new alias is a banned poster - for the love of god put them on ignore and save the rest of us from being exposed to their bull####.  There’s a reason they were banned and it’s not because of their great contributions to the bored.
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Thank you. One of the more lame posts on the boards are the accusation every new poster must be a "loser alias". Stop it. And if you think that, just ignore the person. 

 
You know I’ve never been particularly interested in this story. But I am kind of interested now in terms of the legal fight. 

Putting aside the question that’s been argued throughout most of this thread, who is going to win this? 

 
timschochet said:
You know I’ve never been particularly interested in this story. But I am kind of interested now in terms of the legal fight. 

Putting aside the question that’s been argued throughout most of this thread, who is going to win this? 
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Congress. May take a little time but, congress will "win" this battle.

 
The Commish said:
That dude's gonna be pissed you are linking him :lol:

But seriously...I only go for the cake...if there was no cake or they tried to substitute it with pie, I'm out....unless it was apple pie.....but they'd have to have ice cream too.
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Sorry, but you know the rules: everyone receives exactly one slice of government cheese.

 
Joe Summer said:
The list goes on and on. "My side right or wrong" is no way to go through life.
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Semantic question: I've always understood the phrase "My country right or wrong" to be the opposite of blind jingoism. You're acknowledging that your compatriots can screw up, just saying that it won't affect your overall love for the country. It's similar to how most parents would react to their kids doing something bad. You're not going to ignore their wrongdoing, but you're also not going to disown them.

Am I wrong about this? I think it's one of those phrases where it just kind of sounds like it should mean something different, like when the Supreme Court ordered schools to desegregate "with all deliberate speed", which at first blush makes you think they wanted them to do it quickly but actually meant they were saying no rush.

 
zftcg said:
Wait, you're telling me all the conservatives here aren't friends? How do you guys get together and set your master plan for harassing your political opponents? That's what us liberals do. (Speaking of which, @sho nuff said he can't make next month's meeting, so we'll need someone else to sing "The Internationale" at the beginning. @TheCommish ? @SaintsInDome2006?)

Seriously, dude, you really need to lighten up. You have a legit point about how posters tend to make assumptions; I've taken it to heart and tried to be much more mindful of it recently. But you undercut everything you say by being so obnoxious. It's like you start a thread and then immediately follow it up with 50 posts filled with complaints, insults and condescension that completely derail any conversation you were trying to start. If you made the exact same points in a nicer tone (and a little less repetitively), people might be more open to what you're saying. No one likes a hall monitor.
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No one likes a hall monitor but here you telling me what to do.  Again, i don't need your advice on how to post on a message board.  You dont have to like it.   

 
The General said:
Do either one of you believe this “in audit stuff” or are you just accepting that he chose to lie for some reason for months about releasing them - including while he was trying to garner the nomination. 
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truth ?

Trump is playing Democrats for fools again, and they're in ... hook, line and sinker. 

Americans see the fiasco that Russia was, Stormy Daniels was, Kavanaugh .... they're not forgetting and when Democrats force this tax thing, and there will be nothing there ..... Trump will smile and say hey, Democrats were liars and witch hunters on that too.

 
So, now Trump supporters are setting the bar at "Who cares if the President banged a porn star and paid her off with a campaign contribution? Her one-time lawyer was a crook!"?

 
timschochet said:
You know I’ve never been particularly interested in this story. But I am kind of interested now in terms of the legal fight. 

Putting aside the question that’s been argued throughout most of this thread, who is going to win this? 
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I think the president will.  There is no requirement to release them and it seems this is being done due political purposes.  I think that's a bad precedent to set

 
supermike80 said:
There is no requirement to release them
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(1)Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation

Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.
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The Commish said:
well, besides the law of course.
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What I meant was there is no requirement to release them to run for president. 

Yes if hes made to by Congress that's different and I dont like it one bit.  I think its political and petty and sets a bad precedent for others to request the tax returns of any political opponent or someone they dont like.  

100% against it and I hope the president wins

 
Shula-holic said:
Net worth doesn't show anywhere on a tax return.
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We can’t know this without seeing them. I think there’s a decent chance that Trump may have written his (exaggerated) net worth in the margin of every page, along with some claims about the size of his hands.

 
supermike80 said:
What I meant was there is no requirement to release them to run for president. 

Yes if hes made to by Congress that's different and I dont like it one bit.  I think its political and petty and sets a bad precedent for others to request the tax returns of any political opponent or someone they dont like.  

100% against it and I hope the president wins
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Wait- so now you’re acknowledging that Congress has the legal right to ask for and get them? And if that is the case, why would you want the President to win on this? I get that you think it’s political and petty, but are you really rooting for the President to break the law and get away with it? 

 
supermike80 said:
What I meant was there is no requirement to release them to run for president. 

Yes if hes made to by Congress that's different and I dont like it one bit.  I think its political and petty and sets a bad precedent for others to request the tax returns of any political opponent or someone they dont like.  

100% against it and I hope the president wins
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The President does not have to do anything.

The order is to the IRS Commissioner. Do you think the commissioner should follow the law and provide the returns?

 
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