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Are reparations becoming a reality? What are the board thoughts on this? (2 Viewers)
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That's all it is....trying to buy off a block of voters.
And if Japanese Americans represented a bigger voting block, they'd be crying for reparations for them.
Sorry Japanese Americans....it's just not worth the effort....yet.
If you want to feel guilty about something you didn't do...150 years ago...feel free.
And if you think giving up some of your money will help you sleep at night....nobody is stopping you.
Who knows...maybe someday in America, a black person may even dream of being....President!
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squistion
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saintfool
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"Reparations" is not about litigating the Civil War again. For me, it's about the insidiousness of Jim Crow laws and systematic discrimination that denied millions of blacks simply a fair shake that was born out of slavery. Red lining, for example, denied many folks the kind of wealth that is the bedrock for much of our country. Segregating schools or failing to fully integrate completely for generations denied access to the kind of socio-economic mobility that Americans take for granted today via public education and higher ed. Some folks don't want to accept that they have benefited - directly or otherwise - from this. If you can accept the premise that some Black Americans were "harmed" by Jim Crow - aside from the violence directed against many - then you have accept that others "gained" from those very same laws and policies. The case for reparations is pretty obvious, imo, but I'm at a loss about how to adequately address it in a thoughtful or impactful way.
Long Ball Larry
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Redwes25
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Yes and I am willing to purchase food. I don’t think the government should be distorting the market and its negative consequences.
IvanKaramazov
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I'm extremely confident that I can come up with a better plan to ward off mass starvation than "keep food prices artificially high."
msommer
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Hawkeye21
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Farmers affect so much more than just food. You should look up how many products are made from corn or soybeans.
supermike80
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pinkham13
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Seems that’s the plan. Stir up racial tension and division. Forget about the trillions stolen by bankers. No justice no peace.
Stealthycat
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
Europeans usually bought enslaved people who were captured in endemic warfare between African states.[20] Some Africans had made a business out of capturing Africans from neighboring ethnic groups or war captives and selling them.[21]
African peoples selling African people ......... there is blame there and they can pay reparations too ?
Look, I wasn't here 180 years ago, nor was my most of the lineage of my family and many families ........... and many 'blacks" here today are not decedents from slaves either. Almost every white person in the USA has no ties to plantations 90-95% of the people never owned slaves in the early 1800's
giving people money because of their skin color ........... racist, pure and simple IMO and taking money from people through taxes to give to people who have certain skin colors .... when that taxpayer literally has 0 ties to slavery and absolutely nothing to do with it? 100% wrong
Europeans usually bought enslaved people who were captured in endemic warfare between African states.[20] Some Africans had made a business out of capturing Africans from neighboring ethnic groups or war captives and selling them.[21]
African peoples selling African people ......... there is blame there and they can pay reparations too ?
Look, I wasn't here 180 years ago, nor was my most of the lineage of my family and many families ........... and many 'blacks" here today are not decedents from slaves either. Almost every white person in the USA has no ties to plantations 90-95% of the people never owned slaves in the early 1800's
giving people money because of their skin color ........... racist, pure and simple IMO and taking money from people through taxes to give to people who have certain skin colors .... when that taxpayer literally has 0 ties to slavery and absolutely nothing to do with it? 100% wrong
NCCommish
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Subsidies distort markets. They allow people to keep producing stuff no one wants or is using. They also hurt smaller farmers and most of the benefits go to farms with net worths of 2 million dollars or more. They also cause higher food prices for consumers.
Hawkeye21
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NCCommish
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Most of that is economics 101. When you subsidize you get over production of the subsidized products. For instance despite milk consumption being down 14% over the last decade milk production is up 13% in that same time frame. The US has 1.4 billion pounds of excess cheese in refrigerated storage. And the way the system was changed it guarantees margin to everyone who is making milk. Oh and lobbyists got the program expanded in 2018. That's just one example.
Sheriff Bart
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Hawkeye21
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I won't deny that there are cons to farm subsidies but I don't think I want to risk not having them until something better comes along to replace it. Just getting rid of them altogether is not a good option in my opinion right now. Not only would it affect the US but it would have worldwide affects.
parasaurolophus
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NCCommish
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jonessed
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I think the problem is that the government can’t really react to market changes at any reasonable pace. We clearly need to keep our farmers in business. It’s a national security issue. The subsidies end up being political tools and not sound economic tools though. They can even end up being counter-productive. I’m not sure how to handle that.
parasaurolophus
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Can I have a link to the article? Most of what I read about dairy is from local stuff which is pretty slanted I imagine.
I live in WI and small dairy farms are getting pummeled. The subsidy doesn't help them as it just guarantees them 8 bucks per hundred pounds of milk which is a loss. It is based on the cost of feed and the national sell price of milk. No direct labor costs. The larger farms that have far more machinery and use immigrant labor can actually make money at 8 bucks/100 pounds. So they produce and produce. This lowers the selling price which kills the smaller farms even more so they go out of business and liquidate. The larger farms buy the cows at a discount and produce even more. Rinse, repeat.
The other part of this that confuses me too is how exactly does the government end up with the cheese? I thought the MPP was more like an insurance plan. How does the government actually take possession?
NCCommish
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Cheese is used to store excess milk. I assume the government buys it. I'm on my phone but I'll try to do a link later when I can get on a computer.
Hawkeye21
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This is a very sad truth lately. It's same here in Iowa. My customers who are dairy farmers are struggling badly and can't pay their bills. I have customers that are months behind in paying us but I'm working with them to make payments without finance charges because they've been loyal customers. I don't want to see any of my customers lose their farms but it's happening.
oops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odph7rv73GI&feature=youtu.be
That will be the end of reparations talk.
timschochet
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Who is that guy? What a total idiot.oops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odph7rv73GI&feature=youtu.be
That will be the end of reparations talk.
timschochet
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Interesting testimony today by Ta-Nehesi Coates. As usual, this guy always makes me think, but I usually end up ultimately disagreeing with him.
Which was the case today. He started off refuting McConnell’s shallow comments, which was fine, but then Coates pointed out that though slavery ended over 150 years ago, Jim Crow lasted for another 100 years after that and its effects are still lasting. This is all true. But it doesn’t necessarily imply collective responsibility.
Nonetheless I am not necessarily opposed to this idea, in theory, if I think it will benefit society. Just like with the idea of wiping away student loans, I care less about fairness or who deserves what than I care about the question of how it will make us more prosperous. But my biggest concern about this issue, currently, is it’s possible effect on the 2020 election. Unfortunately I suspect most people in this country view repetitions as part of the whole socialism/leftist agenda/ government handouts thing, and thus it plays right into Trump’s hands.
Which was the case today. He started off refuting McConnell’s shallow comments, which was fine, but then Coates pointed out that though slavery ended over 150 years ago, Jim Crow lasted for another 100 years after that and its effects are still lasting. This is all true. But it doesn’t necessarily imply collective responsibility.
Nonetheless I am not necessarily opposed to this idea, in theory, if I think it will benefit society. Just like with the idea of wiping away student loans, I care less about fairness or who deserves what than I care about the question of how it will make us more prosperous. But my biggest concern about this issue, currently, is it’s possible effect on the 2020 election. Unfortunately I suspect most people in this country view repetitions as part of the whole socialism/leftist agenda/ government handouts thing, and thus it plays right into Trump’s hands.
IvanKaramazov
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It's almost like the Democrats are deliberately trying to get Trump reelected at this point.
Gawain
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He's an interesting fella. Used to be the starting free safety for the NY Jets.oops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odph7rv73GI&feature=youtu.be
That will be the end of reparations talk.
Probably owed reparations for that as well.
timschochet
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Only if the candidate endorses some specific plan.
But if it’s Biden I still think all of this stuff, from AOC to reparations, works in his favor. He slaps it down, presents himself as the “middle” guy with the Trumpers on his far right and the progressives on his far left, and he wins in a landslide.
gianmarco
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Am I reading this correctly or have you changed your thinking on this? I would have never guessed.
timschochet
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boots11234
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boots11234
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Mister CIA
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For something completely different, seek out some interviews of the guy sitting next to him, Coleman Hughes. Brilliant guy
timschochet
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Are you relying on the same sources you did about migrants returning for their court dates? How unfortunate for you that was.
boots11234
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No. I’m relying on the fact that Biden is running hard to the left, has a hard time formulating sentences and is low energy. No way he makes it to the finish. No way.
Both he and Trump are old however Biden acts his age whereas Trump seems 15 years younger. Maybe there is something to not drinking.
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sho nuff
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Hard left...because it’s the primaries. It’s what he has to do if he wants the nomination.
Trump seems what? The guy stumbles through simple words and rambles almost incoherently with giant word salads when not on the prompter.
pantherclub
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I am trying to wrap my head around why anyone would be for them unless you are a recipient.
timschochet
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Here is the Coates article:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/361631/
If you truly mean what you just wrote, then this will help you understand why many people believe reparations would be justified.
boots11234
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timschochet
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That’s fair. But pantherclub said he couldn’t wrap his head around why anyone could be for them. If you’ve read that article then you can at least understand that right?
Just curious: what specific points made in the article that you disagreed with?
Bottomfeeder Sports
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I believe that reparations are more than justified. I just don't have any clue as to how to implement them in practice in a meaningful way.
ETA: Well we could address some of the lingering economic impacts by leveling off the disparities via single payer, UBI, "free college" for those that will attend (this includes trade school, etc.) or a "headstart on adulthood" for those that won't. Etc. And maybe this indirect approach would be "enough" to "course correct" us as a nation, but it doesn't seem to be enough.
ETA: Well we could address some of the lingering economic impacts by leveling off the disparities via single payer, UBI, "free college" for those that will attend (this includes trade school, etc.) or a "headstart on adulthood" for those that won't. Etc. And maybe this indirect approach would be "enough" to "course correct" us as a nation, but it doesn't seem to be enough.
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timschochet
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Or let’s be frank: in a way that doesn’t lead to political disaster for the Democratic Party.
parasaurolophus
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This is exactly why i find the reparations talk so ridiculous. They will never do it. So any candidate that discusses it as a possibility is a fraud.
boots11234
Footballguy
I understand that life isnt fair. That black people historically have been treated unfairly by the democratic party. Getting a payday will not change this and only make things worse.
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