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Foul called almost three times more on a 3 point shot than any other player in the league.
Alex P Keaton
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Which is why Harden should be called for a foul on those plays. It's an offensive foul.
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TobiasFunke
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Gross.thecatch said:
The good news is that Chris Paul turns 34 next week and Kevin Durant is hopefully leaving the Warriors this summer. Hopefully those two things will make the Rockets more of a fringe contender and will bring the Warriors back to the pack at least. I think the next few seasons of the NBA are gonna be a lot more fun than the last few seasons.
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I agree. If the spirit of the rule is to ensure safety for the players then the defender should have a right to land as well. Kicking out your legs in an unnatural motion to exploit a flawed rule is a danger to both sides.
wikkidpissah
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Whatever causes these teams to go back to playing basketball - y'know the one that's like soccer with your hands where you work the ball around to get a guy open and communicate schemes to stop others from scoring on you - is fine w me.
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wikkidpissah
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The reason he went to the Dubs in the first place is that Jerry West told him that people werent gonna label him an alltimer til he got a title so go get a title, then do what you want. But he immediately got #### for frontrunning, so he's gotta do sumn else. He'd do a LeBron and go home, but DC cant afford him and he'd hafta play with the Ghost of John Wall. So he's gonna be the 1st one in the door (unless Zion gets there first) on a bad team back east in NY and have them build a champ team around him.
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What's the risk? He'll have three titles in a couple months. There has to be marginal return on those at some point, especially doing it with the same teammates. They're the greatest team in the history of the game, and anyone who doesn't already acknowledge that never will. And if he stays his legacy will be exactly what it is right now- an all-time great whose greatness is difficult to fully understand and appreciate because he's been surrounded by far more talent than any of the other greats of the game. A significant portion of fans will always see him as the guy who took the easy way out instead of taking on a new and greater challenge.
If he leaves, however, there's no ceiling as far as his legacy goes. He'd become the MVP favorite for the next 2-3 seasons IMO (I think he's currently the best player in the league), likely his last chance at that since he's already 30, and every one of those you win boosts your legacy like nothing else can. He's not winning any MVPs in the Bay area unless Curry gets hurt and misses a whole season. He'll shed the "cupcake" narrative if he wins elsewhere too. Imagine what it does to the perception of Durant he wins a title or even just brings the Finals to Madison Square Garden. Also if he does that he gets to live in, and be the hero of, NYC. I love the Bay Area, but nobody on the East Coast grows up dreaming of becoming a Bay Area legend.
What if he doesn't win a title? That scenario is a lot worse (and likely) for him than going somewhere else winning a ring. It is extremely difficult even as hypothetically the best player ever. There would then be "proof" from the critics that he couldn't win a title on two+ different teams.
The Knicks today are awful. Even if Durant joins up with another superstar in MSG, there is no guarantee they are finals contenders or another super team is formed elsewhere. For example, the Clippers are a very good team with 57.5m in cap space next year. Nobody has any clue what will happen in free agency - look at the Lakers debacle last year.
Side note: the Clippers are the one team I worry about him joining
If he stays with the Warriors, it's a fairly easy road for the next 1-3 years. He knows what he is getting in teammates. No guessing. No uncertainty. And the Bay Area is not what it was 20 years ago. Brand new stadium next year and an area/owners with little regard for money.
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If Durant's priority is basketball, he should stay with the Warriors.
If Durant's priority is basketball and he wants his best shot at winning a title elsewhere, I think that's the Clippers. Jerry West, talent, cap space, and benefit of LA.
If Durant wants to be LeBron and prioritize 200 TV and movie projects instead of basketball, then I agree NY is in the mix with the LA teams. Perhaps Brooklyn too.
If Durant's priority is basketball and he wants his best shot at winning a title elsewhere, I think that's the Clippers. Jerry West, talent, cap space, and benefit of LA.
If Durant wants to be LeBron and prioritize 200 TV and movie projects instead of basketball, then I agree NY is in the mix with the LA teams. Perhaps Brooklyn too.
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TobiasFunke
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Meh. Like I said, he'll already have three. Obviously it's impossible to know since we're not in his shoes or even remotely aware what its like to be an NBA player. But I'm not even sure the marginal benefit to him winning another one eclipses the benefit to his legacy of playing elsewhere even if he never reaches the Finals again. A ton of NBA fans see his decision to join a 73 win team as cowardly, and even more fans don't appreciate how great he is because it's difficult to evaluate a player's true greatness when they play on an all-star team that allows them to skirt some of the problems that other all-time greats face. That will always stain his legacy unless he makes another move.
LeBron is the obvious comp here- fans warmed to him when he moved to Cleveland, but even before that they started to warm to him when it became clear that Wade's skills were fading rapidly and Bosh was great but not a superstar, meaning he was still dealing with those problems and still had to overcome substantial hurdles to win, he couldn't just coast to a ring. It makes the narrative more compelling. If Curry was gonna disappear or Klay and Draymond were shipping out the same thing could happen for KD at Golden State, but that doesn't seem likely (correct? I honestly don't know).
He has every right to stay or go anywhere he wants, of course. But he'll never be considered one of the all-time greats (I'm talking Magic/Bird level, where I think he belongs) if he plays the next couple years with Steph, Klay and Draymond. That's just how it is. Whether that's important to him,
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The NBA’s last two minute report says that the no-call on Harden was correct. There were three missed calls during the last two minutes, however.
https://www.nba.com/article/2019/04/29/l2m-report-game-1-warriors-rockets
https://www.nba.com/article/2019/04/29/l2m-report-game-1-warriors-rockets
Yes, but you consider Magic and Bird all-time greats because they were lucky to be drafted on great teams. Imagine if their legacies were defined by playing on a team like the Suns today. The Bulls lost to the eventual ECF champions in the two years Jordan missed between their threepeats. Nobody would talk about them like they do today without their team accomplishments. It's why I personally think judging a player's individual legacy is impossible because it's so dependent on teammates, but a lot of people enjoy doing so.Meh. Like I said, he'll already have three. Obviously it's impossible to know since we're not in his shoes or even remotely aware what its like to be an NBA player. But I'm not even sure the marginal benefit to him winning another one eclipses the benefit to his legacy of playing elsewhere even if he never reaches the Finals again. A ton of NBA fans see his decision to join a 73 win team as cowardly, and even more fans don't appreciate how great he is because it's difficult to evaluate a player's true greatness when they play on an all-star team that allows them to skirt some of the problems that other all-time greats face. That will always stain his legacy unless he makes another move.
LeBron is the obvious comp here- fans warmed to him when he moved to Cleveland, but even before that they started to warm to him when it became clear that Wade's skills were fading rapidly and Bosh was great but not a superstar, meaning he was still dealing with those problems and still had to overcome substantial hurdles to win, he couldn't just coast to a ring. It makes the narrative more compelling. If Curry was gonna disappear or Klay and Draymond were shipping out the same thing could happen for KD at Golden State, but that doesn't seem likely (correct? I honestly don't know).
He has every right to stay or go anywhere he wants, of course. But he'll never be considered one of the all-time greats (I'm talking Magic/Bird level, where I think he belongs) if he plays the next couple years with Steph, Klay and Draymond. That's just how it is. Whether that's important to him,
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Toronto, Philadelphia and Denver all lost their first round home game 1, but closed as bigger favorites in game 2 than game 1. Milwaukee is currently a smaller favorite for game 2 than game 1. Perhaps Vegas thinks they were wrong too. Stevens is the second best coach against the spread since starting in the NBA. Normally Milwaukee would be a smash spot (also 21-1 after a loss this season) but I'm staying away. 
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wikkidpissah
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fish rots @ the head. kyrie is looneytunes tonite, which invariably unleashes the immaturity of his acolytes. i'll gladly take it being close @ half.
Jayrod
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Jayrod
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They miss Smart tonight. He may not have helped them enough to win, but he would have kept them from getting embarrassed like this.
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wilked
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Headed to bed. Greek up by 1 with 5 mins to go... will check on this one in the AM
has nothing to do w the loss, but it’s a fun prop bet
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Jayrod
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Yeah, the best team to ever play in the NBA needs to cheat.
I don't remember the '95-'96 Bulls being accused of cheating?A Vegas Bookmaker said the Warriors would be favored over those Bulls teams so no.
Guarantee if social media was prevalent like today it would be the same complaining about every little thing
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EYLive
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It's a billion times better than the random opinion of guys posting on the InternetIs this the metric these days?
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modogg
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yikes. didn't watch the game, but looking at the box score, Kyrie was 4-18. Looking forward to see the C's fans yelling the anti-Kyrie rhetoric for this one.
this guy usually has the best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQPTJWh2tc
modogg
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man, i'd love the C's fans from last year to be in here more. The nut hugging love for Tatum was crazy. Tatum tonight 2-10 and -18. Really don't know if he is going to be that much of a desired asset for a Davis trade anymore
ETA: Heyward 1-5 in 31 minutes. Holy moly, that contract is going to hurt
ETA: Heyward 1-5 in 31 minutes. Holy moly, that contract is going to hurt
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Alex P Keaton
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Well, yeah, even Jordan would have trouble with his lateral movement today against guys 20 years younger than him.
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ShamrockPride
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Yup. And I've been vocal about both these same things. I've said from day 1 we overpaid on Hayward. Dude had 1 20ppg season over his entire career the season before we signed him to that deal. Minimal evidence to support that salary. It's going to hold us back.
Tatum got overhyped af. Rookie who averaged a very average 14ppg rookie season, and could only expand it to 15.7 his sophomore year. Pretty sure most young superstars (as he's been billed) are dropping more than 15.7 in their second season.
General Malaise
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For a bunch of grown men, this thread sure does contain a bunch of whining. Jesus....
modogg
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it is interesting with Tatum. I wonder if Brown is valued more than Tatum at this point. I was a Brown doubter, but he did a good job maturing this year, showing he can play different roles on a team and seems to be growing as a player. I know he is due for a new contract before Tatum, but he would seem to be a better asset at this point.
going to be an interesting off-season for both of us
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