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3 minutes ago, Phil Elliott said:

Wait,wait,wait...you are expecting ethics by politicians? 

Not in today’s world, no.

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5 hours ago, VandyMan said:

Blago is one of the most cut-and-dry cases of political corruption in recent years. That won't go over well with the "drain the swamp" crowd.

It'll go over just fine with  Trump supporters. 

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All of these pardons are just cover for the pardons he wants to do, so he can say it is not just his guys (Stone etc). It is like going to the grocery store and buying a bunch of innocuous items like string cheese and milk that you don't really need while you are rung up for a tall stack of porn and a barrel of KY by the cashier. 

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Crazy this Kerik guy getting pardoned was an associate of with the college sex trafficker that just got busted. I wonder if Kwamme Kilpatrick gets the next pardon?

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Trump said he saw Blago’s wife on tv but doesn’t know them very well. What does that have to do with commuting a sentence?

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Can Shoeless Joe get a pardon?  Dude belongs in the HOF.

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4 hours ago, IvanKaramazov said:

A little late for that.

Not a fan of posthumous pardons?  He pardoned Jack Johnson, if I recall.  Actually that one I have no real problem with.

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never thought i would see 40 percent of this country for corruption...usually it's such a political turnoff - not with this cult of personality

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It's nothing more than a signal to Big Money Men.  As long as you donate some of the money to Republicans to get me re-elected....we don't care how you get the money.  Classic kick-up; straight up mob style 

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So I guess "drain the swamp" actually means "take the water out and replace it with sewage." Because that's what's happening now.

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Adam Schiff‏ @RepAdamSchiff 18h18 hours ago

There are 175,000 federal prisoners. Many are serving harsh sentences and deserve mercy.

Yet, Trump uses pardons almost exclusively for:

1) Political supporters

2) Wealthy individuals

3) Contestants on his TV show

And worse abuses are almost surely to come.

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In addition to clearing his criminal record, Trump's pardon for ex-NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik cancels out $103,300 he still owes the IRS as part of his tax fraud conviction, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan tells NYDailyNews.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-trump-blagojevich-kerik-milken-20200218-lmwe5t43rzhwrhe2uuul5uvvje-story.html

 

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23 minutes ago, squistion said:

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In addition to clearing his criminal record, Trump's pardon for ex-NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik cancels out $103,300 he still owes the IRS as part of his tax fraud conviction, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan tells NYDailyNews.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-trump-blagojevich-kerik-milken-20200218-lmwe5t43rzhwrhe2uuul5uvvje-story.html

 

https://www.google.com/search?rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&q=church+lady,+well+isn't+that+special&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimyfu2993nAhWbbs0KHdOeDeQQsAR6BAgDEAE&biw=1280&bih=915#imgrc=bi21Z13xuwU8vM

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51 minutes ago, squistion said:

:no:

In addition to clearing his criminal record, Trump's pardon for ex-NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik cancels out $103,300 he still owes the IRS as part of his tax fraud conviction, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan tells NYDailyNews.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-trump-blagojevich-kerik-milken-20200218-lmwe5t43rzhwrhe2uuul5uvvje-story.html

 

Regardless of politics this isn't right.  He should at least have the pay what he owes.  

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20 hours ago, The General said:

Kidding right? They love it!

Some samplings:

“Obama pardoned way more”

”These guys don’t live in DC so it’s not part of the DC swamp”

Got to be shtick :lol:

What I gather from right wing radio this morning the official party line is "he served 8 years, he was punished enough". 

I'm going to blast the hell out of my calves in the next Zumba class coming up.  KA-POW! 

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"Trump offered to pardon Julian Assange if he agreed to cover up the involvement of Russia in hacking emails from the Democratic National Committee, which were later published by WikiLeaks, a London court was told." 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-offered-assange-pardon-if-he-covered-up-russian-hack-court-hears

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I'd like to think that attempting to sell a Senete seat would carry a life sentence. To align with pardoning this behavior is about as close as one can get to rejecting the rule of law and supporting treason.   

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Some interesting facts about pardons.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1230144921153105922?s=20

(If the messenger matters to you, here is a PSF approved source saying the same thing)

 

Total Presidential pardons/sentence commutations:

Carter: 566

Reagan: 406

H.W Bush: 77

Cigar Bill: 459

George W: 200

Obama: 1,927

Trump: 26 

It appears Obama commuted/pardoned more than every president of the last 40 years combined. Including a terrorist and a traitor (actual, not media created).

Peach Mint 3.0 is dead on arrival guys.

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1 hour ago, kwille said:

I'd like to think that attempting to sell a Senete seat would carry a life sentence. To align with pardoning this behavior is about as close as one can get to rejecting the rule of law and supporting treason.   

Selling Obama's Senate seat?

That is Chicago Politics 101.

Do you honestly think Blago was the first to do that?

And speaking of selling political seats, how about the DNC/Clinton/Bloomberg?

Is that treason in 2020?

Was it treason in 2016?

Quit projecting your (party's) sins (rejecting the rule of law and treason) onto Trump. It is getting embarrassing at this point.

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14 minutes ago, Bozeman Bruiser said:

Some interesting facts about pardons.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1230144921153105922?s=20

(If the messenger matters to you, here is a PSF approved source saying the same thing)

 

Total Presidential pardons/sentence commutations:

Carter: 566

Reagan: 406

H.W Bush: 77

Cigar Bill: 459

George W: 200

Obama: 1,927

Trump: 26 

It appears Obama commuted/pardoned more than every president of the last 40 years combined. Including a terrorist and a traitor (actual, not media created).

Peach Mint 3.0 is dead on arrival guys.

 

I'm sure you know this but this obviously misses the point. Nobody is complaining that Trump has pardoned or commuted sentences. Its who and for what reason he does this that has been called into question.

Comparing him to Obama by numbers is silly. Most of the people Obama pardoned or commuted sentences for were drug offenders.

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23 minutes ago, Bozeman Bruiser said:

Some interesting facts about pardons.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1230144921153105922?s=20

(If the messenger matters to you, here is a PSF approved source saying the same thing)

 

Total Presidential pardons/sentence commutations:

Carter: 566

Reagan: 406

H.W Bush: 77

Cigar Bill: 459

George W: 200

Obama: 1,927

Trump: 26 

It appears Obama commuted/pardoned more than every president of the last 40 years combined. Including a terrorist and a traitor (actual, not media created).

Peach Mint 3.0 is dead on arrival guys.

Most of these presidential pardons were issued just before the President left office. (For example, Obama only pardoned 22 people in his entire first term -- so Trump has already exceeded him on that count.) We can revisit your whataboutism again in January.

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22 minutes ago, whoknew said:

 Its who and for what reason he does this that has been called into question.

 

i would also add "how."  Obama had a office that was in charge of identifying people that deserved pardons or clemency, that would consider the various pros and cons of taking action, and provided appropriate information to the President so he could make a well-reasoned decision.

Trump's methods are a bit less orthodox.

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39 minutes ago, Bozeman Bruiser said:

Some interesting facts about pardons.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1230144921153105922?s=20

(If the messenger matters to you, here is a PSF approved source saying the same thing)

 

Total Presidential pardons/sentence commutations:

Carter: 566

Reagan: 406

H.W Bush: 77

Cigar Bill: 459

George W: 200

Obama: 1,927

Trump: 26 

It appears Obama commuted/pardoned more than every president of the last 40 years combined. Including a terrorist and a traitor (actual, not media created).

Peach Mint 3.0 is dead on arrival guys.

And do mere numbers or frequency answer all concerns for you or do the quality of the applications, the consideration given, the vetting done, and the justice sought, not political advantage but justice sought, do they factor in?

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44 minutes ago, Bozeman Bruiser said:

Trump: 26 

Honestly, I approve of the restraint in quantity.

The problem is the Marc Rich like quality - the avoidance of process, the selling to corrupt, nasty insiders - but also the Nixonian quality of undermining the rule of law and protecting those close to Trump.

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Bovada has odds

Who Will Donald Trump Pardon in 2020?

 

Quote

Manfort +175

Flynn +220

Martha Stewart +250

Stone +275

Suge Knight +350 :lmao:

Rudy G +550

Brendan Dassy +1000

Phil Spector +1000 :mellow:

I like all of his criminal friends here not the 2020 time limit.

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Speaking of Blagojevich, here is an interesting article from the Chicago NBC outlet in 2010:

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/the-six-secrets-you-need-to-know-from-the-blagojevich-filing/1895152/?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Apparently they redacted a bunch of stuff from a subpoena in the Blagojevich trial, except a simple copy and paste revealed the redacted material.

It is NBC, so who knows how credible it is, but they lay out some pretty sketchy looking details involving the sale of Obama's Senate seat.

Trump seems to always be three steps ahead of the media and DC, it will be interesting to see if Blagojevich's commutation results in something bigger.

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17 hours ago, Bozeman Bruiser said:

Some interesting facts about pardons.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1230144921153105922?s=20

(If the messenger matters to you, here is a PSF approved source saying the same thing)

 

Total Presidential pardons/sentence commutations:

Carter: 566

Reagan: 406

H.W Bush: 77

Cigar Bill: 459

George W: 200

Obama: 1,927

Trump: 26 

It appears Obama commuted/pardoned more than every president of the last 40 years combined. Including a terrorist and a traitor (actual, not media created).

Peach Mint 3.0 is dead on arrival guys.

I think presidential pardons should be rare and only in cases of extreme injustice.  I don't agree with most of those granted by Obama and think he was wrong in many cases for doing so.

But my question to you is: did you agree with previous presidents exercising the power of pardons on the majority of cases?  If not then do you feel the people that Trump just pardoned should have been?

Regardless of what other presidents did the question should be whether these pardons were given to people that suffered a gross miscarriage of justice.  If you believe so then great, if not then say so but not with the "look what Obama did" response.  It is okay to disagree with the President once in a while.  

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Adam Schiff‏ @RepAdamSchiff 4h4 hours ago

Roger Stone was found guilty of lying to Congress and threatening a witness.

He did it to cover up for Trump. His sentence is justified.

It should go without saying, but to pardon Stone when his crimes were committed to protect Trump would be a breathtaking act of corruption.

https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1230550196590796800

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29 minutes ago, squistion said:

Adam Schiff‏ @RepAdamSchiff 4h4 hours ago

Roger Stone was found guilty of lying to Congress and threatening a witness.

He did it to cover up for Trump. His sentence is justified.

It should go without saying, but to pardon Stone when his crimes were committed to protect Trump would be a breathtaking act of corruption.

https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1230550196590796800

Move over Moscow - Trump's going full Berlin!

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On 2/19/2020 at 2:46 PM, Sheriff Bart said:

Bovada has odds

Who Will Donald Trump Pardon in 2020?

 

I like all of his criminal friends here not the 2020 time limit.

Roger Stone now - $150

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42 minutes ago, NorvilleBarnes said:

Mark Hammill asks Trump to pardon the Star Wars Holiday Special

LINK

:lmao:

Now THAT'S funny. :lmao:

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On 2/19/2020 at 12:42 PM, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Honestly, I approve of the restraint in quantity.

The problem is the Marc Rich like quality - the avoidance of process, the selling to corrupt, nasty insiders - but also the Nixonian quality of undermining the rule of law and protecting those close to Trump.

Clinton pardoned his brother, campaign contributors, a child rapist, political allies, terrorists...

Rich alone had $48M in taxes waived.

Some of you guys have serious selective memory issues.

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15 minutes ago, jonessed said:

Clinton pardoned his brother, campaign contributors, a child rapist, political allies, terrorists...

Rich alone had $48M in taxes waived.

Some of you guys have serious selective memory issues.

Eh, Trump has 2 of those already.

My point about Marc Rich is: 1. campaign contributor, 2. doing it outside the DOJ attorney review process.

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On 2/18/2020 at 12:45 PM, whoknew said:

How do you like today's?

sorry, life issues keeps me from posting much anymore 

 

um .... no more like or dislike than what Obama and GW and others have done in the past ... 

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On 2/21/2020 at 2:48 PM, Nipsey said:

I thought this was a very interesting article from 2017 on Blago's time in prison. You get a real sense of what these convicted politicians face in these low security federal prisons. Long but good read imo.

https://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/October-2017/Blago-His-Life-in-Prison/

Good article.  "Country club prison" carries a whole lot of myth with it.  Nobody I've ever encountered did "easy" time in prison.

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