Apportioning blame 50/50 is the same as not apportioning blame. Personally, I don't care whether you understand this or not.Doesn't change the fact you're telling others not to do something you yourself are doing. Personally, I don't care what you do, but don't expect me to take the request seriously. It's rather easy to point out the responsibility of the groups and that's what I plan to do as I have always done.
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The Commish
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ok....assigning blame 50/50 is not the same as assigning blame...got it. Thanks for the clarification
NCCommish
Footballguy
No because it isn't 50/50. As I recall it was Mitch McConnell who informed us it was his "job" to make Obama a one term president. Last I checked that isn't actually his job.
The Commish
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Mookie
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Agreed. I also think it's likely that any infrastructure deal will be held hostage by Republican leadership seeking wall funding, spending cuts, tax breaks etc.. This should be easy, but nothing is easy in the swamp right now.
The Commish
Footballguy
Spending cuts need to happen. Wall funding and more tax breaks are known non-starters. "Coming to the table" with either or both is not really coming to the table at all.
NCCommish
Footballguy
I dont want to hear anything about spending cuts until I hear tax increases and reining in the DOD budget.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Translation= this is dead in the water because the GOP won't support it without a tax increase, which the GOP also won't support.
Can I get an update on the appropriate levels of blame-apportioning now? TIA
NCCommish
Footballguy
And yet never once do tax cuts have to be paid for. Never once does our obscene level of financing for the war machine have to be paid for. But large investments in this country? Oh yeah how you going to pay for that?
The Commish
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NCCommish
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Oh yeah that was directed at the usual suspects not you. My apologies that I wasn't clear on that.If it helps...this is where I'd start with the spending cuts
The Commish
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I'm with you but we can do both. Especially need to do something about defense spending/bloat. It's no longer acceptable to say we can't do anything about it.
E Street Brat
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The Commish
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It's ALMOST as if you didn't even read what he said. You certainly didn't comprehend it correctly if this is what you thought an appropriate response was to the comment.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
solid political move
massive spending without massive spending cuts is a grand failure from out GOVT for years ... I hate that its continuing :(
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
You know this is a thread about roads and bridges and stuff, right? We're not talking about paying for fighter jets and bar tabs at Mar-a-Lago here. Where do you think the roads and bridges come from?
msommer
Footballguy
Bottomfeeder Sports
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Herb said:
E Street Brat said:
@timschochet can correct me, but I don't think he means that private companies would be the contractors working on these projects but that the GOP wants to privatize the roads and such in order to pay for them with "user fees" (tolls) which private companies can more easily raise than the government.
E Street Brat
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Come on. Haven't you read Art Laffer, Grover Nordquist, Arthur Brooks & company who for decades insisted tax cuts for the top 1% increased economic growth that they more than paid for themselves?NCCommish said:
US conservatives have bought into this since I first heard about the Laffer Curve in the late 70s. From my own reading it's a discredited idea but people who vote for Republicans don't seem to care and will buy into it indefinitely.
Stealthycat
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then better make some massive cuts in spending in other area's to compensate - its called a budget
but when the Fed Govt is spending everyone elses money ..
timschochet
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timschochet
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The only reasonable place to cut is military budgets- I think that’s a very good idea.
We can also reverse Trump’s tax bill.
Stealthycat
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the tax bill is interesting ... people pay less federal taxes, but the deductions have changed and we're all still paying taxes
we are 21trillion in debt now, more ? the 9 trillion in the 8 year of Obama hurt badly. Stop sending money to other countries immediately. Scale back social care which is the elephant in the room. Slash Govt employment - NEVER was the USA Fed Govt supposed to be the largest employer in the world
timschochet
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You could do all of that and you wouldn’t touch the annual deficit. You can only reduce it significantly by cutting the military, cutting social security, cutting Medicare, or raising taxes. Those are your choices. All the stuff you mentioned is pennies on the dollar.
Herb
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Oops. Misunderstood what Tim was saying. In that case, I agree that private business should stay TF out of it. Privatization of public property only ever ends well for the stockholders of the companies taking control. And of course the politicians that facilitate the acquisitions.
msommer
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Are you refering to the interest payment on e.g. Treasury T bonds to foreign holders? If so, are you acquainted with the effects of defaulting on your loans, as a country?
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The Commish
Footballguy
GTFO of here with this crap. The best you've been able to muster towards Trump and the GOP in this regard is a post the equivalent of throwing up your hands and saying "eh, I wish they didn't do it, but whattaya gonna do?". You don't get to pretend that this is all of a sudden a deeply seeded care of yours. Your actions tell us it's not. Be careful stepping down off this soapbox
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Ruffrodys05
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TobiasFunke said:
then they span....msommer said:
Voila!
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Stealthycat
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you are not far off - the largest areas spent are logically the places to reduce
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/
if it were me ?
cut 10% across the board ......... everyone hurts equally until there can be agreements on the massive waste in spending and get it under control. Although honestly, I don't think it'll ever get there. I think the system of mass spending with no way to pay for it .... its what our Govt does now, its what people do, its what kids do .......... and in the coming years there will be consequences for it.
Stealthycat
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The thing I found most interesting in that article is that the value of tax breaks is greater than the amount of all discretionary spending combined (includes military).
That's where I'd start.
Amused to Death
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Hopefully there's some funding in that $2T for the Gateway Program. The tunnels that connect NJ with NYC are in bad shape. But since they connect two blue states, its unlikely.
The first locomotive chugged through the Pennsylvania Railroad’s 2.5-mile tunnel in 1910. Amtrak, its current owner, says it’s still safe, albeit unreliable, and in constant need of temporary fixes. But say its haywire electrical system finally goes kaput, or its cracked concrete walls and ceilings yield to the river’s muck. There goes the New York City commute for Wall Streeters, big-city accountants and lawyers from New Jersey suburbs, plus the legions that work in health, tech, tourism and retail. Beyond New York, that’s the end of Boston-to-Washington service on the nation’s busiest passenger-rail route.
The first locomotive chugged through the Pennsylvania Railroad’s 2.5-mile tunnel in 1910. Amtrak, its current owner, says it’s still safe, albeit unreliable, and in constant need of temporary fixes. But say its haywire electrical system finally goes kaput, or its cracked concrete walls and ceilings yield to the river’s muck. There goes the New York City commute for Wall Streeters, big-city accountants and lawyers from New Jersey suburbs, plus the legions that work in health, tech, tourism and retail. Beyond New York, that’s the end of Boston-to-Washington service on the nation’s busiest passenger-rail route.
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Bottomfeeder Sports
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Yep the person on their fixed income social security check that chooses each month whether to splurge on a dollar menu hamburger is hurt equally by this cut as the billionaire having his defense stocks hit by a couple less needless fighter jets.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
if a person ignores treating an injury because of the pain involved with a bit of alcohol .... later, when the injury has festered and it requires hospitalization etc the pain will be far far greater
there is going to be pain in dealing with 21 trillion in debt - you cannot wave a wand at it
Stealthycat
Footballguy
how much in social aids given ? how many trillion in trying to deal with the illegals at the southern border?
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
Yes there will be pain from the debt that has been created by tax cut after tax cut. Your solution to the pain is to take Social Security and Medicare which currently own some of that debt as these programs until relatively recently more than paid for themselves and cut there. Classic ugly version of "starve the beast". But as disgusting as this theft from working class Americans to the rich has been, it is not even a rebuttal to the nonsensical idea that "cross the board" cuts impact everyone equally.
If we whack the defense budget it's going to have to be accompanied by a pretty drastic revision of our foreign policy. The net result will be more global instability.
More global hot spots, authoritarian regimes, refugees, terrorist cells and the like that will be contrary to American interests that we will not have the resources to prevent. No ally is going to step in to fill the void. Chinese and Russian influence will only continue becoming larger.
Are we ready to accept those results as a consequence of whacking the military budget?
msommer
Footballguy
Are you of the opinion that the previous years foreign policy have not in fact created more hot spots, dictatorial regimes etc.?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
show me how much the US Govt has brought in each year over the past ... 20 years lets say
then show me how much they've spent
taxation is NOT the problem .... the massive spending it the problem ............ nobody runs their finances like the US Govt does do they? you simply don't spend that much more than you'er bringing in without some point there being an accountability
its coming -
I'm of the opinion that we've experienced a degree of global stability over the past 35 years that has enabled unprecedented economic growth. Our foreign policy has had a lot to do with that.
I'm open to change and reducing the military budget...reduced spending has to come from somewhere. You asked people to think about it. I did.
I just want to know more specifics from those who arbitrarily want to take an axe to the military...how they will do so while simultaneously maintaining equal or better a) national defense and b) global stability that keeps economic prosperity on the upswing.
The Commish
Footballguy
Pelosi and Schummer out in front of this...apparently they met with Trump today. Three weeks....clock's ticking. They want his proposal in three weeks. Found it interesting they are considering broadband too....that's a plus. Solidifying the power grid...it's almost like they are actually taking this seriously.
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E Street Brat
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There are places to cut the defense budget that won't hurt as bad as others. We've all heard the stories of the military saying we don't need another 150 jets, but the congressmen from the district that builds the jets pushed it though anyway.
I've been saying it for years now. Simplify the tax code. Take the IRS employees that will no longer be needed and flip them to auditing the government. Retrain some them to work with ICE and start tracking down illegals that have over stayed their visa's
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