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How much of the Mueller report have you read? (1 Viewer)
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The Commish
Footballguy
The entire second volume. Seems to be the only part still in question from a legal perspective
I focused on Volume II as well. Fewer Russian names made it easier to read. Plus, I had seen what I thought was obstruction with my own eyes so I was more interested to see the legal take on that evidence.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Nothing from Barr, nothing from Mueller.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
I didn't know it was assigned to me to read.
Wait a minute.... am I still in school?
Wait a minute.... am I still in school?
Marauder
Footballguy
Your book report is due Monday.I didn't know it was assigned to me to read.
Wait a minute.... am I still in school?
I don’t know the answer. I read the tables of contents and the executive summaries for each volume as soon as the report was released. Since then, I’ve skipped around to different sections reading ~5 pages at a time here and there in no particular order, just whatever I was interested in at the moment, and I don’t have a good estimate for how much that’s added up to. I voted 25%, but it’s probably more than that.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I voted for all options because I could - NULL vote
Dickies
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
same amount as the President
Question for you or anyone that has done further reading.... obviously the full report contains a substantial amount of detail that can't be captured in a summary. But do you find that the additional detail really adds to your understanding? Or do you think the summaries are adequate?
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Dickies
Footballguy
I can only speak to the first volume, but I do think it added to my understanding. It’s incredibly detailed and overwhelming to fully comprehend, so I understand why not everyone wants to read it. The summary does a good job
There aren't a lot of wasted sentences in the full report. It's packed with dense statements of fact (with citations to supporting evidence), so no summary will give you the same experience as reading the report itself.
That said, if you're looking for a good summary, the Wikipedia article about it is impressively comprehensive for how concise it is (or maybe impressively concise for how comprehensive it is).
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I had this very discussion just today with two people at lunch. Not friends of mine, my brother’s business acquaintances. - I just think it’s interesting when people talk about this stuff to ask if they’ve read the report. If they haven’t then what are they basing their opinion on? And if they have what do they think, aside from the decision to not make a prosecutorial decision for lack of jurisdiction, is the event, anecdote or factual detail which best explains why Trump is exonerated or guilty of xyz.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
That’s funny because I’m kind of the opposite. I think vol. II is mostly a clear case against Trump. It’s just repeated hammering of his bad deeds. For me vol. I is most interesting because the interactions are more subtle and overall is a campaign to penetrate a presidential campaign. Just all these little pings by Russians. And reading it I thought the case was a lot closer than is being discussed. I mean it is close IMO, campaign finance is the closest, and then the espionage angle is just wild - I understand these dolts didn’t appreciate the history of spycraft or the national security concerns, but my god it’s story after story of Russians just popping into their sphere. And it’s also evident to me the Trump team closed ranks against the investigation, and there is tons of lying to cover up. These are people who at the same time are resting on their stupidity as a defense. It’s complex and interesting. I think the Mueller team must have been pretty vexed.
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Don't Noonan
Footballguy
It is clear to me that a lot of folks here have not read the report or have clearly slanted bias when reading it.
I’d say anyone reading it brings their own biases, yes. Have you read much of it yourself?
I found the text to be dense, too, but also abundantly clear. The timelines made it read like a series of episodes, and Mueller did a good job articulating the patterns that he noticed. I found it to be compelling reading.
I have the PDF downloaded but I spend too much time staring at screens as it is. If I'm ever going to tackle the full report it's gonna have to be a physical copy.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Almost no one I know read it. We are all so busy at work. My opinion was effected only on the margins in that there were passages that conveyed more strategy and forethought than I thought Trump was capable of. But then there were other passages in which I was surprised at just how needy he is and really transparent after seeing the timelines. So, no, the needle did not move for me, specifically.
I will say that I knew little about Mueller two years ago, a bit more after reading a great article in Wired several months back, but this document really says a lot about the man. Kind of like playing golf with someone—you can glean a lot about a person by the way they comport themselves. All of the positive praise I had heard about Mueller came through in my reading. I am aware that he probably literally wrote very little of the actual text but as the point person, his precision, care, and comprehensiveness really shone through.
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