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2 minutes ago, rockaction said:

An outsider's opinion because I love this thread (even though it reads like Greek without translation) and can't resist?

There have been activists for a long time against horse racing. I remember it as a kid and up through young adulthood. Lori Petty's spokespersonship was met with social outrage, and this was a long time before social media. Saratoga always had its protestors. I'm not in the game, but always followed the sports pages, back to front, and racing was part of them. Nowadays, you rarely hear about fathers and sons or writers at the track.

It's sort of dying a slow death anyway, the animal rights aspect of it only a part, though a growing one. 

appreciate the input from the objective side - and all you cite about previous outcrying is correct - but we are in a much more condensed universe these days ... and the SJW cabal is relentless ... so much more power being wielded - online petitions/twitter barrages of death scenes on the track, etc - find such a more massive audience than those "ANIMAL RIGHTS MOONBATS!!!1!!!1!" of days gone by. 

as a diehard lover/defender of this sport, the Santa Anita #### was deeply troubling to me - no answers - the Marquee showcase of the world's greatest racing community - it was ugly.  just brutal. 

the love of the game is not being passed down because it was hardly passed down to those who now have youngn's ... Pokemon Go has more numbnutz congregating around a ####### fountain than attendees at Aqueduct during the fall meet.  

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I can honestly say that the only track related protests I have ever - ever - ever personally seen at Churchill were about the labor - and rightly so at times. I've never witnessed a protest about the treatment of the horses. Now that I think about it, that seems odd. I've seen all kinds of other "out of town protests" about alcohol, gambling, fornication and whatnot, but nothing horsey.

Churchill has had to make some cuts though. A friend of mine in the IT business worked for Churchill from '92 - '15 (approximate) until he made  more than they could pay him. A lot of others got that ax as well. 

On the bright side, the track has been constantly building and expanding. We just finished a big projects in the Grandstands, Museum and 4th Street Entrance areas. Plus, official parking has nearly doubled in the past 5 years - so much that parking profits for residents have sunk like the Titanic in my little area.

We are also looking into more expanded gambling, but the conservative nature of the state as a whole has held the track back. 

 

59 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

meet me at the Regal Beagle.

Can I bring my roommates?

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3 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

appreciate the input from the objective side - and all you cite about previous outcrying is correct - but we are in a much more condensed universe these days ... and the SJW cabal is relentless ... so much more power being wielded - online petitions/twitter barrages of death scenes on the track, etc - find such a more massive audience than those "ANIMAL RIGHTS MOONBATS!!!1!!!1!" of days gone by. 

as a diehard lover/defender of this sport, the Santa Anita #### was deeply troubling to me - no answers - the Marquee showcase of the world's greatest racing community - it was ugly.  just brutal. 

the love of the game is not being passed down because it was hardly passed down to those who now have youngn's ... Pokemon Go has more numbnutz congregating around a ####### fountain than attendees at Aqueduct during the fall meet.  

I take all your guys' points with near-reverence regrading the subject because I know so little. I do know Santa Anita was making the front pages of the sports pages around here (I live about an hour-thirty/forty or so from the track). It was exactly as you might expect, but there was less outrage in the coverage than there was bewilderment. Unfortunately, some of that bewilderment went to how the sport still existed ethically in people's minds.

The battle had been fought and lost already, it seemed. I don't even know how I feel about the sport's practices, and when you've possibly lost me and my own ignorance of the sport to cultural sensitivity/animal rights concerns, you're fighting uphill. I don't generally go in for that. The questions are difficult, the sport is grandeur, the consequences stark. 

Anyway, that's my brief two cents on the viability of seeing the sport past the protestors. I'm neither here nor there on the horse game, I just like the thread and, as Mister CIA said in another thread, the avatars are all those that usually are definitely worthy of response and camaraderie on this board, so I figured I'd give the outsider's take.

As far as passing it down to the younger generations, there's a lot of things about the horse racing game that are just so out-of-keeping with the modern mind, -- not the least of which must be the dispassionate way in which breeding is done -- that young minds would blush at the deed and thought. The sport itself and the practices are so crazily out of touch with the modern mindset towards animals and so bizarre that Tom Wolfe decided to graphically use studding and racing as a metaphor for Southern college football and running backs and donor's daughters (yes, Wolfe went there. Any wonder the seaboard elites hated his writing?) in A Man In Full.

Aside from that Wolfe-ian wild digression, the sport and its attendant mindset are becoming more arcane, its justifications more archaic. I report with bad news; please don't whip the messenger.  

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12 minutes ago, Man of Constant Sorrow said:

I can honestly say that the only track related protests I have ever - ever - ever personally seen at Churchill were about the labor - and rightly so at times. I've never witnessed a protest about the treatment of the horses.

I never saw them at the track, either. I think I only went once or twice with my cousin, anyway. I knew it was an ethical debate in the Central/Upstate NY area I was in. It was definitely talked about. 

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11 minutes ago, rockaction said:

not the least of which must be the dispassionate way in which breeding is done -- that young minds would blush at the deed and thought.

This is about the only thing of your post, rock, that has me scratching my head. The rest I fully understand.

But, how is passionate breeding done? Or, is the new mindset that all strategic breeding is bad?

Like, how do they feel about live stock breeding? Or, is animal consumption itself now problematic?

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5 minutes ago, Man of Constant Sorrow said:

This is about the only thing of your post, rock, that has me scratching my head. The rest I fully understand.

But, how is passionate breeding done? Or, is the new mindset that all strategic breeding is bad?

Like, how do they feel about live stock breeding? Or, is animal consumption itself now problematic?

This is what I'm getting at. Any sort of genetic breeding in order for sport (or for food, which you get at) seems like it's antithetical to the horse's or animal's desires. Ever read a description of a horse breeding? I have read a few...never seen it. It sounds very odd and mechanical. Don't they like have contraptions and #### for the horses? I have to admit, I'm sort of ignorant on it and only have written descriptions of lowering and moving the animals, etc.

I also think live stock breeding is frowned upon, as is animal consumption. I think we're honestly headed there.

eta* This is the great thing about this board. You'll wind up with a friend that lives miles from a famous track and knows the game. Awesome and mazel tov, mang.

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6 minutes ago, rockaction said:

This is what I'm getting at. Any sort of genetic breeding in order for sport (or for food, which you get at) seems like it's antithetical to the horse's or animal's desires. Ever read a description of a horse breeding? I have read a few...never seen it. It sounds very odd and mechanical. Don't they like have contraptions and #### for the horses? I have to admit, I'm sort of ignorant on it and only have written descriptions of lowering and moving the animals, etc.

I also think live stock breeding is frowned upon, as is animal consumption. I think we're honestly headed there.

eta* This is the great thing about this board. You'll wind up with a friend that lives miles from a famous track and knows the game. Awesome and mazel tov, mang.

Thanks.

This explains it better. I think I can understand the mind set, even if I don't share it.

I've never personally watched the breeding process, but I've read about it and have friends who have done it (horses and other livestock). The one thing they seem to laugh at, is that without this "breeding" most male members of the population would not actually get to breed unless they "won" the right to do so. That can often be a risky event. 

It is also a natural event - so I get it. 

 

How do they feel about plant "breeding"? Plants are alive. They communicate. They cooperate with other plants. They have methods to "look out" for their own offspring. They react to external stimuli. They can learn from past experience. I know they are not as "emotionally connected" to us (humans) as other animals, but it seems many of the concerns irt animal abuse could be applied to the vegetative among us.

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2 hours ago, rockaction said:

I take all your guys' points with near-reverence regrading the subject because I know so little. I do know Santa Anita was making the front pages of the sports pages around here (I live about an hour-thirty/forty or so from the track). It was exactly as you might expect, but there was less outrage in the coverage than there was bewilderment. Unfortunately, some of that bewilderment went to how the sport still existed ethically in people's minds.

The battle had been fought and lost already, it seemed. I don't even know how I feel about the sport's practices, and when you've possibly lost me and my own ignorance of the sport to cultural sensitivity/animal rights concerns, you're fighting uphill. I don't generally go in for that. The questions are difficult, the sport is grandeur, the consequences stark. 

Anyway, that's my brief two cents on the viability of seeing the sport past the protestors. I'm neither here nor there on the horse game, I just like the thread and, as Mister CIA said in another thread, the avatars are all those that usually are definitely worthy of response and camaraderie on this board, so I figured I'd give the outsider's take.

As far as passing it down to the younger generations, there's a lot of things about the horse racing game that are just so out-of-keeping with the modern mind, -- not the least of which must be the dispassionate way in which breeding is done -- that young minds would blush at the deed and thought. The sport itself and the practices are so crazily out of touch with the modern mindset towards animals and so bizarre that Tom Wolfe decided to graphically use studding and racing as a metaphor for Southern college football and running backs and donor's daughters (yes, Wolfe went there. Any wonder the seaboard elites hated his writing?) in A Man In Full.

Aside from that Wolfe-ian wild digression, the sport and its attendant mindset are becoming more arcane, its justifications more archaic. I report with bad news; please don't whip the messenger.  

absolutely fantastic post, glad you decided to pop in today, Rock :thumbup: knocked it out the park. 

i can echo all of those sentiments - man, do they ring true- not much to add or argue or debate from your post.   Word. 

i will hearken back to the whole activist shtick, though - it's not so much that i believe a grassroots pitchfork movement will successfully achieve a perma ban of the game ... highly unlikely, though i do believe they will get their day on the Hill. 

where they WILL cause irreparable damage is at the gates - the more pressure they exert, the more outrage they spread - the less the regular Joe and the casual fans will seek a day out at the track. and that is the real carnage here, because a day at the track makes a lifetime fan, imo ... so, when the turnstiles stop spinning and the handle drops to Jai-Alai like levels, well - we get situations like Suffolk, among others.  the day to day grinders are not even remotely close enough to sustain ... the sport needs the daytrippers and thrill seekers to keep the lifeblood flowing - simple.

... their readily disseminated slaggings can reach millions at the drop of a ripped up ticket, and it dissuades more and more and more folks each minute - the sport is too ####### ignorant to fall on it's own sword and adapt to a much more condensed vista ... so the outside forces are sloooowwwly forcing their hand with paper cuts, instead.  

 

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2 hours ago, Leroy Hoard said:

I'm guessing that the very top tracks will survive and a few middle types if they simulcast and have casinos attached.  But the bottom places will get sold for the land value and the game will march on in truncated form. Fewer tracks and fewer races at those tracks that do survive.

Agreed

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6 hours ago, otb_lifer said:

@wikkidpissah

Suffolk Downs is shutting down for good, demolition slated for July 1st ... i've never been, but i've heard some great stories about the place - Boston's Aqueduct, so it seems.  whatcha got? surely a few wikkism nuggets were gleaned at the Downs, no?

certainly not as marquee a gig as it once was, but the imminent razing is another wretched cog in the emblematic wheel of doom this industry is suffering - it's not dying, per se - it's ####### dead. 

the TC races generate enough buzz, sure - and the KD ranks at the top of premier sporting events of the Spring - but we hear the death knell tolling ... it's faint, but persistent - always in our ear, foreboding and reckoning. 

the 30 some odd deaths at Santa Anita over the Winter meet cranked it up even more - looks like the whip will now be altered to a sturdy foam contraption, if not banned altogether - chipping away more of the veneer.  i'm all for safety first for the animals/jocks - but mandated regulation is akin to yer nuts being squeezed in a vise - the pain is gonna get much worse. 

Hollywood Park demolition was the real harbinger that we may not last past this decade - it's already niche as ####, but it's sliding and careening so recklessly ... gonna go the way of the leisure suit and formulaic sitcoms - trite, trivial, relegated to the dustbin of Americana. 

meet me at the Regal Beagle. 

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wOw. not only the place where i learned to love the game, but the place where modern handicapping began. i have stories on both accounts.

when me Ma was orphaned in her teens, she was taken in by a Sicilian family. tiny, tiny people (50s variety show legend Johnny Puleo was a cousin who performed often at family Sundays) two of whom rode @ Suffolk and on the old New England summer fair circuit (where one had to guard one's horses at night against horsefixers looking to hobble your aniscules). i wanted to walk hots there more than anything and my uncles were happy to help, but Ma wouldnt allow it. in this 50th anniversary of Woodstock, it might be noteworthy to FFAppers that, between the summer month an auntie sent me to Ireland each year and Suffolk/fair circuit w my uncles, i had no idea  that the famous 3 Days of Love Peace & Music was going on.

Suffolk, and where it was located, is responsible for speed handicapping. because it was built on landfill in a tidal plain, horses who ran 6f in 112.1 one day would run it in 115.3 the next without any atmospheric changes, as tides affected the base ground of the track. this put an MIT student named Stevie Davidowitz on to the idea that actual time meant nothing in handicapping and set about how to calculate "real" time by estimating the expected time of a race and calculating the variance of the track surface each day by doing so. he & his pals refined the process, interloper Andrew Beyer wrote about it and "figs" entered the game.

Suffolk always suffered from being close to the airport so locals had to fight that and tunnel traffic to get there, but i saw more love of the gamble than the game from Bostonians, so it's no great loss. It lives on in memory - rest in place.

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3 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

wOw. not only the place where i learned to love the game, but the place where modern handicapping began. i have stories on both accounts.

when me Ma was orphaned in her teens, she was taken in by a Sicilian family. tiny, tiny people (50s variety show legend Johnny Puleo was a cousin who performed often at family Sundays) two of whom rode @ Suffolk and on the old New England summer fair circuit (where one had to guard one's horses at night against horsefixers looking to hobble your aniscules). i wanted to walk hots there more than anything and my uncles were happy to help, but Ma wouldnt allow it. in this 50th anniversary of Woodstock, it might be noteworthy to FFAppers that, between the summer month an auntie sent me to Ireland each year and Suffolk/fair circuit w my uncles, i had no idea  that the famous 3 Days of Love Peace & Music was going on.

Suffolk, and where it was located, is responsible for speed handicapping. because it was built on landfill in a tidal plain, horses who ran 6f in 112.1 one day would run it in 115.3 the next without any atmospheric changes, as tides affected the base ground of the track. this put an MIT student named Stevie Davidowitz on to the idea that actual time meant nothing in handicapping and set about how to calculate "real" time by estimating the expected time of a race and calculating the variance of the track surface each day by doing so. he & his pals refined the process, interloper Andrew Beyer wrote about it and "figs" entered the game.

Suffolk always suffered from being close to the airport so locals had to fight that and tunnel traffic to get there, but i saw more love of the gamble than the game from Bostonians, so it's no great loss. It lives on in memory - rest in place.

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had an inkling we discussed the Downs before, knew you'd have a lil' sumtin' for the Tuesday fodder ...

as far as the speed 'capping - have you ever heard of the Norman Force method?  cat drilled out a few novellas on said subject, kinda like the Beyer of his time, cutting his teef at Narragansett- dunno if he made it to Suffolk or not - didja ever on either?

i hear tell that the Downs was the only place in the Boston area where all the Irish tribes actually got along, and would even fraternize with the bruthas and guineas :shrug:

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57 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

:hifive:

had an inkling we discussed the Downs before, knew you'd have a lil' sumtin' for the Tuesday fodder ...

as far as the speed 'capping - have you ever heard of the Norman Force method?  cat drilled out a few novellas on said subject, kinda like the Beyer of his time, cutting his teef at Narragansett- dunno if he made it to Suffolk or not - didja ever on either?

i hear tell that the Downs was the only place in the Boston area where all the Irish tribes actually got along, and would even fraternize with the bruthas and guineas :shrug:

never read a racing book - not even a #### Francis mystery.

me Ma had a no-account brother who gambled on everything (sick mf - he cashed in a raincheck on one of his daughter's holiday gifts to bet and, when he chauffered the Farrelly Bros during a shoot they liked him so much they customized a leather jacket to commemorate him, and he str8up eBayed it for the same poiposes) so there was nothing between the shedrow as a kid and the MIT table as a young adult on the social side of racing for your humble servant. my Irishmen preferred dogs & trotters over the geegees

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6 hours ago, rockaction said:

This is what I'm getting at. Any sort of genetic breeding in order for sport (or for food, which you get at) seems like it's antithetical to the horse's or animal's desires. Ever read a description of a horse breeding? I have read a few...never seen it. It sounds very odd and mechanical. Don't they like have contraptions and #### for the horses? I have to admit, I'm sort of ignorant on it and only have written descriptions of lowering and moving the animals, etc.

I also think live stock breeding is frowned upon, as is animal consumption. I think we're honestly headed there.

eta* This is the great thing about this board. You'll wind up with a friend that lives miles from a famous track and knows the game. Awesome and mazel tov, mang.

i've bred horses - not socially but professionally. pretty ugly - they put mares in a chute and tie-up their left leg so they can't kick. about as romantic as Sunday morning @ EG's place

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11 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

never read a racing book - not even a #### Francis mystery.

me Ma had a no-account brother who gambled on everything (sick mf - he cashed in a raincheck on one of his daughter's holiday gifts to bet and, when he chauffered the Farrelly Bros during a shoot they liked him so much they customized a leather jacket to commemorate him, and he str8up eBayed it for the same poiposes) so there was nothing between the shedrow as a kid and the MIT table as a young adult on the social side of racing for your humble servant. my Irishmen preferred dogs & trotters over the geegees

dem Irish uncles, eh?  either salt o'the earth or miserable scumbags of whatever color (drink or drugs or gamblin' or womanizing or women hittin' - some had the entire HI-FIVE goin' for them ) - never any middle ground. mercurial bastids ... and it seems like the tougher the ma, the more ####bird the Unc. 

we never had dags down here, to my knowledge - but i'll be a sum##### if some old railbirds don't lament that fact ...

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In my town, I think everything about horse racing is glamorized to the max.

Most all of the breeding is done elsewhere in the state (as far as I know) and everything about it is viewed through the lens of honorable tradition. From my earliest memories, Derby Week, Derby Month and all the associated traditions and parties were treated as a wonderful thing.

Anything that opposed that view was/is economically dangerous to the power that be. I don't have an objective view on most of this stuff.

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6 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

dem Irish uncles, eh?  either salt o'the earth or miserable scumbags of whatever color (drink or drugs or gamblin' or womanizing or women hittin' - some had the entire HI-FIVE goin' for them ) - never any middle ground. mercurial bastids ... and it seems like the tougher the ma, the more ####bird the Unc. 

we never had dags down here, to my knowledge - but i'll be a sum##### if some old railbirds don't lament that fact ...

well, this'n was orphaned @ 15 and lied his way into the service during ww2. got shot in the atoll his first day deployed & malaria in the hosp and spent his whole life milking the disability & war hero in da neighbahood angle. and, as proof of the hi-lo of uncles, his baby brother became Dean of Arts & Science @ Pitt and sired both an Oscar-winning son and a Tony-winning daughter

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15 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

well, this'n was orphaned @ 15 and lied his way into the service during ww2. got shot in the atoll his first day deployed & malaria in the hosp and spent his whole life milking the disability & war hero in da neighbahood angle. and, as proof of the hi-lo of uncles, his baby brother became Dean of Arts & Science @ Pitt and sired both an Oscar-winning son and a Tony-winning daughter

gotDAMN ... the Bulger boys got nuttin' on them (as far as sire seed goes)

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9 hours ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

On a lighter note, Ellis Park will have a record $330,000 avg in daily purses this meet, up $100K from last year

good lookin' out :thumbup:

they don't start up for another couple weeks, but info like that is appreciated because it now guves me a mid-level circuit to chomp into ... increased purses, much more often than not, are tantamount to larger fields and significantly deeper pools - the sharps will circle the wagons here.

i recall Monmouth doing likewise a few meets ago - the decision took some heat, inasmuch that the coin tossed to sweeten purses was desperately needed elsewhere (isn't it always?) - anyways, was the most rewarding season i can remember down at Oceanport - i had a very good summer there.

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Against noone

 

1. Last Judgment 6-1

 2. Maximum Security 1-2

 3. King for a Day 4-1

 4. Identifier 6-1

 5. Direct Order 12-1

 6. Caladan 15-1

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9 hours ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

Against noone

 

1. Last Judgment 6-1

 2. Maximum Security 1-2

 3. King for a Day 4-1

 4. Identifier 6-1

 5. Direct Order 12-1

 6. Caladan 15-1

:thumbup: 

been so fried from the trail and bullrings/WWC wagers that i let this cat fall off the radar. 

two others in single digits - gotta scrounge PPs for this mutha - and also a way to get my gf to see this as a great Father's Day activity for moi. 

if he manages to go off at 1/5 it would be a miracle - gotta load a cold exacta to make this a profitable endeavor - will dig for that place face once i glimpse the PPs. 

 

meanwhile, back at the Pitchfork Ranch ... Governor Newsom and PETA are playing hardball  - this may all be lip service from them, along the lines of "LOOK AT US TAKING ACTION!!!!" with no real consequence to show for it ... or, it could be the beginning of a very painful end. 

they have succeeded in placing independent vets to oversee the entrants,  but is that enough of a carrot to assuage this cabal?

Santa Anita folds up for the season next week ... if the casualties carry to Del Mar, well, then we gonna see the worst possible outcome, imo - this could get ridiculously ugly real fast. 

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road trip to Jersey OTB

it's called "Winners" :lmao:  how ####### ironic, no? it's like calling a Weight Watchers facility "SLIMS" :coffee:

anyways, gorgeous facility - clean/bright/huge.  plenty of room, copious winderrs, spacious bar area ... give it a 9/10 on aesthetics - very impressed. 

lotta hardcore players - bar area was littered with grizzled plunkers - i was concentrating on Belmont, got in with a group that was slamming it pretty good. 

took a beating on my first bet, an exacta key box at Laurel - put me $120 in the hole right off the bat - ####in' four horse NEVER LIFTED A HOOF. NEVER. LIFTED. A. DAMN. HOOF. :deadhorse:

got well hittin' some tix at Churchill/Belmont, and then the Meadowlands, when i decided to hang a bit longer - haven't capped the trotters/pacers for awhile ... forgot how ####### insane those races are - makes the TBreds look like checkers in comparision - the Standardbred game is so friggin' filthy - fixed like a mutha. i'll leave it at that. 

down about $200 for the day (booze/transport factored in) - no Monmouth trek today as a result  - maybe gonna try and have the US of A ladies fix the deficit

PS - the jernt is in Bayonne, right off the bridge from Staten Island - highly recommend to area punters - the regs told me the attached restaurant, MacLoone's, is top notch grub - come holla at ya boy if ya decide to make a trek :thumbup:

 

PPS- Happy Father's Day to all you stud sires! 

 

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I watched like 5 races yesterday and saw a horse on the lead break a leg and fall down, do a somersault and be euthanized.

Just turned on tvg and saw it happen again.

### ####it    😩

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8 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

I watched like 5 races yesterday and saw a horse on the lead break a leg and fall down, do a somersault and be euthanized.

Just turned on tvg and saw it happen again.

### ####it    😩

it happened at the finish of that race i lost at Laurel ... right in deep stretch and down like a sack of potatoes ... was brutal :topcat:

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5 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

it happened at the finish of that race i lost at Laurel ... right in deep stretch and down like a sack of potatoes ... was brutal :topcat:

That's the one

Nauseating

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1 minute ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

That's the one

Nauseating

ya know, it happened so ####### fast - but that entire joint o was at let out a collective "OOOOHHHHHH ####!"

believe it was the 5 horse, i had the 4 w/2,3,7 - latter 3 all hit the board, iirc (think it was 7-3-2 finish) the 4 was prolly in last place at that point. 

real tragedy was avoided because the field was spread out about 5 wide ... had they been bunched he woulda taken down a few more animals and jocks ... very fortunate we didn't see that.

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1 minute ago, otb_lifer said:

ya know, it happened so ####### fast - but that entire joint o was at let out a collective "OOOOHHHHHH ####!"

believe it was the 5 horse, i had the 4 w/2,3,7 - latter 3 all hit the board, iirc (think it was 7-3-2 finish) the 4 was prolly in last place at that point. 

real tragedy was avoided because the field was spread out about 5 wide ... had they been bunched he woulda taken down a few more animals and jocks ... very fortunate we didn't see that.

Happened fast but looked like another horse ran right over him when he was on his back 

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6 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

Happened fast but looked like another horse ran right over him when he was on his back 

☹️

:sadbanana:

btw, on a somewhat related note ... didn't catch much action from Santa Anita yesterday, was more on Belmont, Monmouth, Churchill, Laurel - but the couple i did see from SA (bet on the third race, the #1 folded like a dollar store lawn chair) had very small fields - that third race had all of four runners. 

dunno if that's correlated to the 30 fatalities out there, but, it was not pretty ... reminded me of midweek action from Golden Gate Fields. sparse and chippy. 

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9 hours ago, Leroy Hoard said:

2-3 is my cold lock per. 

HOPE YA BOXED IT, HOARD!

3/2 - MAX GOES DOWN IN THE STRETCH - WOW!

fast fractions, the 3 was on his ### the whole way - dug in and dusted him going home!

15 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

off in about 10 ... Max gives free parking  to kick off the late pick 4 - kinda liking this #4 horse to complete the exacta behind him. 

 

:wall:

:lmao:

HELL OF A RACE

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5 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

HOPE YA BOXED IT, HOARD!

3/2 - MAX GOES DOWN IN THE STRETCH - WOW!

fast fractions, the 3 was on his ### the whole way - dug in and dusted him going home!

:wall:

:lmao:

HELL OF A RACE

I swear any time in my life that I've ever keyed a chalk on a ticket he falls on his ### lol

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1 minute ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

I swear any time in my life that I've ever keyed a chalk on a ticket he falls on his ### lol

if the rest of that hits im'ma #### Twinkies :clap:

:deadhorse:

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7 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

HOPE YA BOXED IT, HOARD!

3/2 - MAX GOES DOWN IN THE STRETCH - WOW!

fast fractions, the 3 was on his ### the whole way - dug in and dusted him going home!

:wall:

:lmao:

HELL OF A RACE

13.90 would have been nice. But no box for me.

 

 

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Happy Father's Day, you mutha'finkas. 

I'm with my pop now. He had me do a job for him that he couldn't do. So, of course, he told me exactly how to do it the exact way that it did not work for him the first time - every step of the way.

It did not work - again. 

So, we compromised on the third effort. It worked. He can now sit in the shower without getting stuck in his chair or scratching up his ###. 

Mom is happy too. She caught #### when his ### was hurting. 

 

Bet the 11.

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19 minutes ago, Man of Constant Sorrow said:

Happy Father's Day, you mutha'finkas. 

I'm with my pop now. He had me do a job for him that he couldn't do. So, of course, he told me exactly how to do it the exact way that it did not work for him the first time - every step of the way.

It did not work - again. 

So, we compromised on the third effort. It worked. He can now sit in the shower without getting stuck in his chair or scratching up his ###. 

Mom is happy too. She caught #### when his ### was hurting. 

 

Bet the 11.

good stuff, MoCS :thumbup:  all the best to you and yours - wish i had Dad around to work on projects with, and Mom around to be happy 'bout it.

R.I.P.  mom and pop lifer. 

 

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Just now, otb_lifer said:

good stuff, MoCS :thumbup:  all the best to you and yours - wish i had Dad around to work on projects with, and Mom around to be happy 'bout it.

R.I.P.  mom and pop lifer. 

 

Thanks, O. 

To mom and pop lifer - 🌷

 

You can borrow my parents any time, hep cat. I will send them this week. 🚀

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3 minutes ago, Man of Constant Sorrow said:

Thanks, O. 

To mom and pop lifer - 🌷

 

You can borrow my parents any time, hep cat. I will send them this week. 🚀

:hifive: graz, MoCS

i'll take 'em on a big city trolley ride! :D 

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I had a heart breaker in the Stephen Foster Stakes last night

I had 4,5,6,9 over 4,5,6,9,12 over 2,4,5,6,7,9,10,12 $1 Tri

I had 4,5,6,9 over 4,5,6,9,12 over 2,4,5,6,7,9,10,12 over 2,4,5,6,7,9,10,12 .50 Super

Came in 4,10,9,6

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Profited $594 today playing the chalky Monmouth card, so that eases the $336 I dropped on the SF last night

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1 minute ago, Penguin said:

Profited $594 today playing the chalky Monmouth card, so that eases the $336 I dropped on the SF last night

they were hot as #### on that Foster at Winners yesterday ... one fella was rolling 2k deep up in that one ... i was gone before it went off, i think. 

good lookin' on the Monmouth card today, nice bailout! :thumbup:

you live in central/south Jersey?

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I need to watch a replay but seeing it live I got the impression that Saez cost Maximum Security that race. Yes Max stumbled out of the gate but he recovered and was on the lead going into the first turn. Saez had full control of the pace but went thru the 1/2 in 46.3 I believe, too fast in my opinion

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1 minute ago, otb_lifer said:

they were hot as #### on that Foster at Winners yesterday ... one fella was rolling 2k deep up in that one ... i was gone before it went off, i think. 

good lookin' on the Monmouth card today, nice bailout! :thumbup:

you live in central/south Jersey?

Central Jersey right on the Ocean. I'm about 10 minutes from Monmouth. Actually grew up in Oceanport.

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Monmouth has always been so chalky. I decided to just bet $20 exacta boxes with 2 horses or $10 Tri boxes with just 3 horses. Skipped race 1

Ended up hitting the exacta in the 2nd, 4th, 6th, 9th & 10th and Tri's in the 3rd, 7th, 12th & 13th. One of my Tri's hit and lost $17 lol

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The money on Maximum Security was crazy, not sure what the pools closed at but with a few minutes to post he had like 78% of the win pool and over 90% of the show pool.

I remember looking at the show pool and seeing $173k with $150k+ on Max

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