While I don’t fall into this category, the logic seems simple. Fetus=innocent human, murderer=not innocent personI just don't understand this, please enlightened me.
Not until baptism or you go to hell. Logic rocks.While I don’t fall into this category, the logic seems simple. Fetus=innocent human, murderer=not innocent person
Whatever sect of whatever religion aside, the positions can exist together logically.Not until baptism or you go to hell. Logic rocks.
How so?Whatever sect of whatever religion aside, the positions can exist together logically.
I clearly said I don’t fall into the category so it’s not me anything. There is still a very clear moral difference that is easy to understand between abortion and the death penalty,Well you are not pro life then.
Logically, sure, someone can twist themselves in knots to find a way to defend it.Whatever sect of whatever religion aside, the positions can exist together logically.
Okay lay out the difference.I clearly said I don’t fall into the category so it’s not me anything. There is still a very clear moral difference that is easy to understand between abortion and the death penalty,
It doesn’t take any bending to see a difference between killing something innocent and killing something has committed terrible crimes.Logically, sure, someone can twist themselves in knots to find a way to defend it.
Morally? Not so much.
Christians have interpreted this to mean "Thou shall not commit first degree murder".Rectify: thou shall not kill.
It seems that you just want to catch pro life people in a “gotcha!”. The same way another poster tried to argue the other day that pro-choice people need to be in favor of suicide.I just don't understand this, please enlightened me.
It's all bs, doesn't matter.Christians have interpreted this to mean "Thou shall not commit first degree murder".
Yep, I'm pro life you know it all. Go away.It seems that you just want to catch pro life people in a “gotcha!”. The same way another poster tried to argue the other day that pro-choice people need to be in favor of suicide.
I don’t know about anyone else, but personally I’m sick to death of these sorts of “arguments”, which are designed not to convince or educate, but solely to antagonize.
Fixed that for youIt doesn’t take any bending to see a difference between killing something innocent and killing something we mostly believe has committed terrible crimes.
Christians (mostly) believe that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all deserve death for their sins. They worship a God, however, who showed mercy to them in their sin and gave them life when they deserved death.Christians have interpreted this to mean "Thou shall not commit first degree murder".
Or anti-choice and pro-choice. Which is far more accurate. Prolife is a marketing scheme.It seems like all the confusion could be cleared up if the two positions were called "Pro Innocent Life" and "Pro Death Penalty For The Guilty".
I don’t agree. I’ve never met anyone who opposed abortion who thought that it was anti choice; they oppose it because they believe, sincerely, that it’s the taking of an innocent life. It’s no “marketing scheme”.NCCommish said:Or anti-choice and pro-choice. Which is far more accurate. Prolife is a marketing scheme.
Yeah it is. At the same time many of them cry for a fetus they sneer at the poor child who they have no interest in helping if it costs them one penny in taxes. That isn't prolife its antichoice.I don’t agree. I’ve never met anyone who opposed abortion who thought that it was anti choice; they oppose it because they believe, sincerely, that it’s the taking of an innocent life. It’s no “marketing scheme”.
As you well know, most conservatives believe that big government aid to poor people is not beneficial to poor people. They prefer smaller government and private charities. When you write that they “sneer at the poor child who they have no interest in helping” you’re affirming a stereotype that has very little resemblance to the truth. Do you truly think conservatives are as evil and uncaring as you’re making them out to be?Yeah it is. At the same time many of them cry for a fetus they sneer at the poor child who they have no interest in helping if it costs them one penny in taxes. That isn't prolife its antichoice.
When I see children in Alabama living in 3rd world squalor and disease you're damn right I do. When I see the policies they champion that leave children hungry with no healthcare, inadequate housing and deficient educations you're damn right I do. I dont care what they say I look at what they do. And what they do is heartbreaking , its immoral and yes it reeks of evil disregard for the human lives they claim to care so much about. So spare me the they aren't so bad shtick. Their actions are disgusting. They better hope the atheists are right or they got a real nasty surprise coming.As you well know, most conservatives believe that big government aid to poor people is not beneficial to poor people. They prefer smaller government and private charities. When you write that they “sneer at the poor child who they have no interest in helping” you’re affirming a stereotype that has very little resemblance to the truth. Do you truly think conservatives are as evil and uncaring as you’re making them out to be?
IMO, the current divisiveness we have in this country starts with attitudes like yours, sorry to say. It’s not enough to disagree with the other side; you have to demonize them, make them evil. Don’t be surprised when they return the favor.When I see children in Alabama living in 3rd world squalor and disease you're damn right I do. When I see the policies they champion that leave children hungry with no healthcare, inadequate housing and deficient educations you're damn right I do. I dont care what they say I look at what they do. And what they do is heartbreaking , its immoral and yes it reeks of evil disregard for the human lives they claim to care so much about. So spare me the they aren't so bad shtick. Their actions are disgusting. They better hope the atheists are right or they got a real nasty surprise coming.
If they are oh so caring and loving they need to find better representation of those feelings.
So if you're okay with the mother terminating the child pre-birth, then shouldn't you be okay with terminating the child post-birth? You know if the mother determines they no longer want the child and they live in a 3rd world area. If you're pro-choice then you're pro-choice......When I see children in Alabama living in 3rd world squalor and disease you're damn right I do. When I see the policies they champion that leave children hungry with no healthcare, inadequate housing and deficient educations you're damn right I do. I dont care what they say I look at what they do. And what they do is heartbreaking , its immoral and yes it reeks of evil disregard for the human lives they claim to care so much about. So spare me the they aren't so bad shtick. Their actions are disgusting. They better hope the atheists are right or they got a real nasty surprise coming.
If they are oh so caring and loving they need to find better representation of those feelings.
It isn't a child until it is viable outside the mother. Hope that helps you understand the difference.So if you're okay with the mother terminating the child pre-birth, then shouldn't you be okay with terminating the child post-birth? You know if the mother determines they no longer want the child and they live in a 3rd world area. If you're pro-choice then you're pro-choice......
Sure as soon as I support those kinds of policies I would fully expect to be demonized. But I don't. And I won't support people that support them. So false accusations dont really mean much to me.IMO, the current divisiveness we have in this country starts with attitudes like yours, sorry to say. It’s not enough to disagree with the other side; you have to demonize them, make them evil. Don’t be surprised when they return the favor.
Not sure what that has to do with the current topic. Of course I get that. But I believe that life is nuanced and you have to look at the totality of one’s actions, measure the good vs the bad, and reach a sum evaluation which considers everything, as much as I can. And try to avoid demonization and simplistic conclusions. I don’t always achieve these goals, but it’s not for lack of effort.See what you don't seem to get Tim, and I keep trying to explain it to you, is your vote comes with accepting responsibility for what the people you vote for do.
And I believe the proof is in the actions not the words.Not sure what that has to do with the current topic. Of course I get that. But I believe that life is nuanced and you have to look at the totality of one’s actions, measure the good vs the bad, and reach a sum evaluation which considers everything, as much as I can. And try to avoid demonization and simplistic conclusions. I don’t always achieve these goals, but it’s not for lack of effort.
I agree. But that doesn’t contradict anything I wrote does it?And I believe the proof is in the actions not the words.
Everyone does not agree with that.It isn't a child until it is viable outside the mother. Hope that helps you understand the difference.
Every Pro-Life person is also Anti-Choice, but not every Anti-Choice person is Pro-Life.NCCommish said:Or anti-choice and pro-choice. Which is far more accurate. Prolife is a marketing scheme.[scooter] said:It seems like all the confusion could be cleared up if the two positions were called "Pro Innocent Life" and "Pro Death Penalty For The Guilty".
Doesn’t say that. Translates to thou shall not murder.Rectify: thou shall not kill.
I read this tripe and I wonder...were democrats EVER in charge of anything? Sure seems like the horrible republicans have been in charge of so much for so long to get to this point.When I see children in Alabama living in 3rd world squalor and disease you're damn right I do. When I see the policies they champion that leave children hungry with no healthcare, inadequate housing and deficient educations you're damn right I do. I dont care what they say I look at what they do. And what they do is heartbreaking , its immoral and yes it reeks of evil disregard for the human lives they claim to care so much about. So spare me the they aren't so bad shtick. Their actions are disgusting. They better hope the atheists are right or they got a real nasty surprise coming.
If they are oh so caring and loving they need to find better representation of those feelings.
Not really. The modern-day concept of "murder" -- the unlawful and malicious killing of another human being -- did not exist 2000 years ago.Doesn’t say that. Translates to thou shall not murder.Rectify: thou shall not kill.