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Remember When Ronda Rousey Had Over Half This Board Believing She Could Beat Up A Male Pro UFC Fighter?

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On 5/14/2019 at 5:59 AM, AhrnCityPahnder said:

She's destroy every single person on this board (maybe except for matsuki who could throw a casual hook and knock her into the next galaxy)

No she wouldn't, where in the hell did you get that idea at?

138 pounds.

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6 minutes ago, ZenoRazon said:

Are you saying we really have a debate about pro male fighters vs female pro fighters?  I see no debate at all.

I am not debating anything.  I am clarifying that using a fact based activity (track) does not allow for debate.

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7 minutes ago, Jayrod said:

Now?  No debate.  At one point there was a very arrogant and vocal group of Rhonda Rousey believers who thought she could take the likes of Floyd Mayweather, JJ Watt and Ron Artest.

How could anyone who knows sports go there?

Why do people freak out over  a man hitting a woman?  Yep, men are just too superior physically and we all know this.

Rousey could whip some men not into sports who aren't physical.  In with any athletic male she'd take a beating.

I'd say all college/pro footballers could kick her butt.

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3 minutes ago, Jayrod said:

Forget it, man.  There are a lot of people on this board who assume everyone is as weak and unathletic as they are.  Suggest otherwise and you get called delusional x's 1000 and what not.

I'm more than totally prepared to prove my point.

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4 minutes ago, Gally said:

I am not debating anything.  I am clarifying that using a fact based activity (track) does not allow for debate.

How can this be debated?

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6 minutes ago, ZenoRazon said:

How can this be debated?

You used track as a reason that MMA fighters cannot compete with each other.  MMA is more subjective and can lead to a debate while there is no debate when discussing track comparisons.  You are either faster or you are not.  There is no influence by the opponent in any way. 

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12 minutes ago, ZenoRazon said:

How could anyone who knows sports go there?

Why do people freak out over  a man hitting a woman?  Yep, men are just too superior physically and we all know this.

Rousey could whip some men not into sports who aren't physical.  In with any athletic male she'd take a beating.

I'd say all college/pro footballers could kick her butt.

I agree that almost any Male with athletic training would do well in a fight with a super lightweight fighter, but her knowledge of submission holds and ability to bend and force people to tap out would take down more people than you might envision. Toe to toe fighting gets her killed 99% of the time, no doubt. But throw some mma at me and I know that I would more than likely lose to her and I am a 245 pound guy.

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22 minutes ago, Jayrod said:

 

In this case, I say RR would beat >98% non-mma males and that's probably conservative.

She was the most dominant athlete in the world when I wrote that.  Really sporting of you to take potshots with the benefit of 4-years of hindsight.  

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55 minutes ago, ZenoRazon said:

Do you really think a 138 pound woman could beat any athletic man in a fight?  I don't.

I;m 6-2 275 pounds, been lifting since I was 15, what is a 138 pound woman going to do?

You'd better hope you tap out in time so she doesn't injure you after she submits you.  Do you lift, bra?  Does bench press teach you a lot of jiu-jitsu?

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8 minutes ago, chet said:

 

In this case, I say RR would beat >98% non-mma males and that's probably conservative.

She was the most dominant athlete in the world when I wrote that.  Really sporting of you to take potshots with the benefit of 4-years of hindsight.  

You actually thought she could beat guys in her weight class?  Good God.

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1 minute ago, pantherclub said:

You actually thought she could beat guys in her weight class?  Good God.

Not only me but many informed MMA experts (pretty sure Joe Rogan agreed).  This was not an outlier opinion.

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4 minutes ago, chet said:

Not only me but many informed MMA experts (pretty sure Joe Rogan agreed).  This was not an outlier opinion.

Do you still think that?  Joe Rogan commented he said that in jest mocking the guys who thought she was the best thing since sliced bread.

 

Thats the problem with some people on this board,  they cannot simply admit they were completely wrong.  RR could not beat any male in her weight class and she sure as hell wouldnt stand a snows balls chance against floyd.  Its a dumb argument.

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13 minutes ago, Jayrod said:

Sporting?  Re-read what you were posting in there.  You were an arrogant jerk about it.

Be a man.  Just admit you were wrong and move on.

Who's the arrogant jerk now?

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Just now, chet said:

Who's the arrogant jerk now?

I'm really just being vindictive, but you are right.

Sorry, I'll delete my posts.

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1 hour ago, chet said:

You'd better hope you tap out in time so she doesn't injure you after she submits you.  Do you lift, bra?  Does bench press teach you a lot of jiu-jitsu?

Noway I'd ever beat up a female.  BUT......I like all big strong men would totally destroy any female MMAer,  would be ugly.

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1 hour ago, The Big Guy said:

I agree that almost any Male with athletic training would do well in a fight with a super lightweight fighter, but her knowledge of submission holds and ability to bend and force people to tap out would take down more people than you might envision. Toe to toe fighting gets her killed 99% of the time, no doubt. But throw some mma at me and I know that I would more than likely lose to her and I am a 245 pound guy.

The difference is strength would simply be too much.  I could pick her up over my head as could most athletic men.  She's just too small, too weak to be able to do anything. 

In a legit MMA fight vs a male he'd knock her butt and it wouldn't take long.

IF.....it's some sort of judo match with no kicking/punching she might be able to hang, maybe.

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Women play soft ball for a reason.  They get special treatment for a reason, a man slugs a woman and he's an animal. Why is that, yep....the weaker sex.

Imagine a womans basketball team vs a men's....ouch! 

A fast HS boy can run a 10.20 100m, the fastest women of all time can't break  10.60. (forget that 10.4 it was windy)

HUGE  physical differences,

Rhonda Rousey cold whip little women, that is something totally different than dealing with men. 

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2 minutes ago, ZenoRazon said:

Women play soft ball for a reason.  They get special treatment for a reason, a man slugs a woman and he's an animal. Why is that, yep....the weaker sex.

Imagine a womans basketball team vs a men's....ouch! 

A fast HS boy can run a 10.20 100m, the fastest women of all time can't break  10.60. (forget that 10.4 it was windy)

HUGE  physical differences,

There is nothing soft about softball.  It is a very fast paced game that is much different than baseball.  It doesn't make it inferior in any way.  It is just different.  I am not sure why that statement has anything to do with whether or not a female MMA fighter would or would not be able to compete against men. 

 

And as I stated earlier.....your track example is not applicable.  Speed is not a debate.  It is simply a comparison of factual numbers. 

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11 minutes ago, Gally said:

There is nothing soft about softball.  It is a very fast paced game that is much different than baseball.  It doesn't make it inferior in any way.  It is just different.  I am not sure why that statement has anything to do with whether or not a female MMA fighter would or would not be able to compete against men. 

 

And as I stated earlier.....your track example is not applicable.  Speed is not a debate.  It is simply a comparison of factual numbers. 

Strength is not debatable either.  What female is as strong as a man her size?

Everything is soft about softball compared to baseball.  We can start with the ball.  I can't believe you said that,

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25 minutes ago, ZenoRazon said:

Strength is not debatable either.  What female is as strong as a man her size?

Everything is soft about softball compared to baseball.  We can start with the ball.  I can't believe you said that,

A softball is just as hard as a baseball.  You can't be serious with this statement.   The ball has a lower coefficient of restitution but the outer shell is just as hard and varies depending on level of play (just like baseball).  Typically the compression for baseballs and softballs are similar. 

 

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4 hours ago, ZenoRazon said:

Do you really think a 138 pound woman could beat any athletic man in a fight?  I don't.

I;m 6-2 275 pounds, been lifting since I was 15, what is a 138 pound woman going to do?

Wait for the heart attack?

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19 minutes ago, Chaka said:

Wait for the heart attack?

My cardio conditioning off the charts,  Run the bleachers, skip rope, run 400's, jumping jacks.

 

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1 hour ago, lardonastick said:

Everybody knows the strongest fighter wins every match.

Everybody knows a trained male MMA fighter will simply be too strong for a female.

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1 hour ago, Gally said:

A softball is just as hard as a baseball.  You can't be serious with this statement.   The ball has a lower coefficient of restitution but the outer shell is just as hard and varies depending on level of play (just like baseball).  Typically the compression for baseballs and softballs are similar. 

 

Stold this.

Softballs got their name because their core is softer than a baseball and, therefore, they do not spring off the bat in the same way. ... An NCAA baseball's coefficient cannot be greater than .555, while a softball may not exceed .470

Which would hurt more if they hit you?

 

 

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14 minutes ago, ZenoRazon said:

Stold this.

Softballs got their name because their core is softer than a baseball and, therefore, they do not spring off the bat in the same way. ... An NCAA baseball's coefficient cannot be greater than .555, while a softball may not exceed .470

Which would hurt more if they hit you?

 

 

The coefficient of restitution has to do with the spring from the ball off the bat and rebound effect.  It has nothing to do with how much it will hurt if it hits you.  The compression (the amount of force needed to compress the ball a certain amount) is different than the COR and has more to do with the actual hardness of the outer shell of each ball.  The compression of baseballs and softballs differ based on age group as you can have a "softee" used for lower level use.  However, for standard high school or college balls the outer shell has similar "hardness" and will hurt similarly if you are hit by it.  However, the COR value would dictate that if a baseball hit your head it would likely rebound further than if a softball hit your head.  Each would equally hurt (or not depending on the actual hardness of your head) because the impact and "hurt" would be based on the similar hardness of the surface of the ball. 

 

Bottom line this is an extremely silly discussion that has no bearing on the original discussion point. 

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52 minutes ago, Gally said:

The coefficient of restitution has to do with the spring from the ball off the bat and rebound effect.  It has nothing to do with how much it will hurt if it hits you.  The compression (the amount of force needed to compress the ball a certain amount) is different than the COR and has more to do with the actual hardness of the outer shell of each ball.  The compression of baseballs and softballs differ based on age group as you can have a "softee" used for lower level use.  However, for standard high school or college balls the outer shell has similar "hardness" and will hurt similarly if you are hit by it.  However, the COR value would dictate that if a baseball hit your head it would likely rebound further than if a softball hit your head.  Each would equally hurt (or not depending on the actual hardness of your head) because the impact and "hurt" would be based on the similar hardness of the surface of the ball. 

 

Bottom line this is an extremely silly discussion that has no bearing on the original discussion point. 

There is nobody who would prefer being hit by a baseball over a softball, ok?

Ok, moving on.

Point

Why don't women simply play baseball?

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57 minutes ago, ZenoRazon said:

There is nobody who would prefer being hit by a baseball over a softball, ok?

Ok, moving on.

Point

Why don't women simply play baseball?

There are many people that prefer watching softball over baseball.  Some believe that quick style of play and game is better than the slow pace of baseball.  

 

It's a completely different game.  Not worse or better.  Just different..........and your comments still have nothing to so with the topic.

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9 minutes ago, Gally said:

There are many people that prefer watching softball over baseball.  Some believe that quick style of play and game is better than the slow pace of baseball.  

 

It's a completely different game.  Not worse or better.  Just different..........and your comments still have nothing to so with the topic.

So why don't women play baseball?

Oh yeah, none can throw a baseball 100mph.

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9 minutes ago, Gally said:

There are many people that prefer watching softball over baseball.  Some believe that quick style of play and game is better than the slow pace of baseball.  

It's a completely different game.  Not worse or better.  Just different..........and your comments still have nothing to so with the topic.

Don't waste your time -- he's a troll and a fool. 

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33 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Don't waste your time -- he's a troll and a fool. 

Wrong as you always are,  kids troll, and I am anything but a fool.

Dude,  you don't seem to get what these places are about, WAY too uptight.

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Good God. This thread started out on thin ice and now there's...this.  

You guys enjoy!

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On 5/14/2019 at 11:28 AM, Ilov80s said:

That is amazing. Ron Artest is like 6'7" and 280 pounds of pure muscle. LOL

people just lost their minds for a while because of the hype, like Joe Rogan calling her the greatest athlete of all time. The talent level in women's MMA is pretty bad even now but back then it was like the NBA circa 1951 with Rousey as George Mikan 😂

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Think of the outrage if the best female NCAA basketball team played Duke or any of the top mens teams.  It would be......what a dumb idea.  Imagine how badly the girls would get beat,  it would get real ugly real fast.

Rousey vs any male fighter would be no different and it should be real obvious.

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8 hours ago, AhrnCityPahnder said:

This thread started out on thin ice

It started off on a bedrock principle, really. Only hopes and wishes and subsequent scorns mixed with dopes with #####es and unicorns' horns elevated Rousey to anything but a punching bag against professional male fighters.

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4 hours ago, rockaction said:

It started off on a bedrock principle, really. Only hopes and wishes and subsequent scorns mixed with dopes with #####es and unicorns' horns elevated Rousey to anything but a punching bag against professional male fighters.

Have you ever seen Kaleb Starnes fight?

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18 minutes ago, AhrnCityPahnder said:

Have you ever seen Kaleb Starnes fight?

No, I haven't seen Kalib fight. I'm really not sold on reality stars becoming world class athletes. I'm also not sold on the UFC in general, as I know firsthand that Dana White fixes fights but that's another story for another day. 

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1 hour ago, rockaction said:

No, I haven't seen Kalib fight. I'm really not sold on reality stars becoming world class athletes. I'm also not sold on the UFC in general, as I know firsthand that Dana White fixes fights but that's another story for another day. 

Firsthand?  You can't drop that bomb and walk away.  Spill.

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3 minutes ago, chet said:

Firsthand?  You can't drop that bomb and walk away.  Spill.

I guess I should say it was secondhand (my bad) and it was "might," actually. I might have had journalist friends who covered the UFC at inception. Fight fixing might have been admitted to in confidence and threats might have been made about publication of said confessions. The allegations never saw the light of day, which would have been smart given that the threats might have had overtures to physical repercussions in the very nature of how they were made. 

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16 minutes ago, chet said:

Firsthand?  You can't drop that bomb and walk away.  Spill.

Not hard to believe; the NBA fixed the draft in '85 so the Knicks could draft Ewing. :coffee:

 

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15 minutes ago, rockaction said:

as I know firsthand that Dana White fixes fights but that's another story for another day. 

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 I might have had journalist friends who covered the UFC at inception.  .Fight fixing might have been admitted to in confidence and threats might have been made about publication of said confessions.

I am confused here.  Dana White had nothing to do with the UFC at inception.  He did not join the company until 8 years later.

 

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Sorry. He's been president since its sale in 2001 to his connections, which many would consider its beginning. UFC wasn't a blip on the radar until then, and that's when a journalist friend might have covered them and their tournaments overseas. 

           From Wiki: While working as a manager for Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell, White met Bob Meyerwitz, the owner of Semaphore Entertainment Group, the parent company of the Ultimate Fighting Championship. White learned that Meyerwitz was looking to sell the UFC. White contacted childhood friend Lorenzo Fertitta, an executive at Station Casinos and a former commissioner of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, and asked if he would be interested in acquiring the company. In January 2001, Lorenzo and his older brother Frank acquired the UFC, which subsequently became a subsidiary of Zuffa, LLC. White was installed as the company's president

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21 minutes ago, Tom Servo said:

Not hard to believe; the NBA had Tim Donaghy, point shaving allegations by the FBI, and 10,000 text messages between he and an officiating friend, and said there was nothing to see there. :coffee:

FYP

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1 hour ago, Tom Servo said:

Not hard to believe; the NBA fixed the draft in '85 so the Knicks could draft Ewing. :coffee:

 

I am not contending that fights weren't fixed. RA said he knows firsthand.

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17 minutes ago, chet said:

I am not contending that fights weren't fixed. RA said he knows firsthand.

Who am I to argue? 

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19 minutes ago, chet said:

I am not contending that fights weren't fixed. RA said he knows firsthand.

Secondhand. :)

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Fights weren't fixed, Rousey was unbeatable -- man, woman, or child. 

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1 minute ago, chet said:

Not nearly as impressive.

Kiboshed

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