AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
... 2001... UFC wasn't a blip on the radar until then
Currently orbiting one of Jupiters moons, Teila Tuli's tooth weeps quietly.
... 2001... UFC wasn't a blip on the radar until then
Yeah I can't nope outta here fast enough.AhrnCityPahnder said:Good God. This thread started out on thin ice and now there's...this.
You guys enjoy!
The tournaments took place in the early days of UFC, well before Zuffa purchased the UFC. The last tournament the UFC ever ran was during UFC 23 which was back in 1998. This was held in Japan. Is this what you could be referring to?Sorry. He's been president since its sale in 2001 to his connections, which many would consider its beginning. UFC wasn't a blip on the radar until then, and that's when a journalist friend might have covered them and their tournaments overseas.
Dubai, 2001 or 2002.The tournaments took place in the early days of UFC, well before Zuffa purchased the UFC. The last tournament the UFC ever ran was during UFC 23 which was back in 1998. This was held in Japan. Is this what you could be referring to?
to be exact, no UFC event has ever been held in the city of Dubai. The closest was in 2010(which is what you are referring to) which was held in Abu Dhabi, which is the capital of UAE.the first UFC event in Dubai was in 2010.
No, I'm referring to a Dana White exhibition in the United Arab Emirates in around 2002-3. But okay, I'm sure they never went over there and only sanctioned events were held on American grounds and there were never fights over in Dubai.to be exact, no UFC event has ever been held in the city of Dubai. The closest was in 2010(which is what you are referring to) which was held in Abu Dhabi, which is the capital of UAE.
Also there was no tournament at this event. As I mentioned earlier the last UFC tournament was held in 1998.
Alright I lied, I couldn't stay away. Gender Critical Feminism is the term for it nowadays, right? The ones who aren't so happy about the T. That's a interesting subreddit to peruse."Insane and cheating"
"The rules on trans athletes reward cheats and punish the innoncent"
Martina Navratilova, longtime LGBT activist
Well that's condescending. It actually comes from very mainstream news -- it was reported on everywhere, as you can see -- and was introduced to me by my friend and his polyamorous live-in of ten years in CT.Alright I lied, I couldn't stay away. Gender Critical Feminism is the term for it nowadays, right? The ones who aren't so happy about the T. That's a interesting subreddit to peruse.
The athletic implications have always been fascinating to me. I am thinking eventually (like after we are all dead) trans women will just compete against one another exclusively.
Oh, my bad. Totally. I got called an "incel" supporter for starting this thread in a comment that was deleted upthread by McJose. He said something like "Did they shut down the incel subreddit and everyone came here?" I answered. The comments were deleted. It was around the eighth comment in.Wait, what? I'm just saying the Gender Critical Feminism subreddit makes for an interesting read. They didn't come up with the term or anything, and I have no clue how long that concept has been around but it doesn't surprise me that it goes way back. I am not being dismissive in the least, sorry.
I looked this up, it was UFC 6. Tank Abbott lost to Oleg Taktarov in the finals, his 3rd match of the day. It was in Casper, Wyoming. They are seriously lucky he didn't die.Speaking of tournaments, when I was a kid I somehow got my hands on one of the early UFC events and it was the greatest thing ever. My friends and I wore that thing out. I am pretty sure Tank Abbott killed a guy, and by the final he could barely breathe.
That's a good idea and one I should be fully behind. I haven't really read enough of Gender Critical Feminism to be schooled in its outlook. i learned about it probably back in 2013 or 2014 from the friend who lives in Middletown, CT. He usually sees radical feminist critiques of things way before I do. We don't keep in touch, really, which is too bad, but we've moved, gotten older, etc.No worries, thought we could maybe steer this thing away from Zeno into a more interesting topic.
Sanction events have been held all over the world. US, Canada, UAE, England, Brazil, Czech Republic, Australia, China, Argentina, Russia just to name a few.No, I'm referring to a Dana White exhibition in the United Arab Emirates in around 2002-3. But okay, I'm sure they never went over there and only sanctioned events were held on American grounds and there were never fights over in Dubai.
Like I said, I could have a faulty memory of what organization put on the event. I'm pretty sure it was Dana White in the Middle East. It could have been another MMA org., given that he told me this at least a decade and a half ago. I just always remember thinking Dana White and UFC but they've done such good work with memory and the Sixth Amendment and problems that I even doubt my own. I do know the anecdotes he told me (One of them was an anecdote of an Arabian prince telling my friend he "smelled Jew on him") and that at the time he was writing for major publications with his byline, which shall remain anonymous here.I looked this up, it was UFC 6. Tank Abbott lost to Oleg Taktarov in the finals, his 3rd match of the day. It was in Casper, Wyoming. They are seriously lucky he didn't die.
That event definitely had the look and feel of something that could have easily been fixed.
Again, faulty memory is possible. I'm not going to die on a hill that can't be verified. I probably shouldn't have even shot my mouth off, as it's only tangentially relevant to Rousey. I'm just going on what I remember.Sanction events have been held all over the world. US, Canada, UAE, England, Brazil, Czech Republic, Australia, China, Argentina, Russia just to name a few.
I can't speak to exhibitions. I don't have that depth of knowledge.
Huh, well I did learn something in this thread. I didn't realize Abu Dhabi was one of the seven emirates alongside Dubai. I (incorrectly) thought that Abu Dhabi was a subsection of Dubai which was a subsection of UAE.to be exact, no UFC event has ever been held in the city of Dubai. The closest was in 2010(which is what you are referring to) which was held in Abu Dhabi, which is the capital of UAE.
Every sperm is sacred for a reason, Ahrn.Huh, well I did learn something in this thread. I didn't realize Abu Dhabi was one of the seven emirates alongside Dubai. I (incorrectly) thought that Abu Dhabi was a subsection of Dubai which was a subsection of UAE.
Good info here, thanks!
I remember watching the early UFC events on a black box cable box (the ones which would unscramble the stations). They were crazy events.I looked this up, it was UFC 6. Tank Abbott lost to Oleg Taktarov in the finals, his 3rd match of the day. It was in Casper, Wyoming. They are seriously lucky he didn't die.
That event definitely had the look and feel of something that could have easily been fixed.
All the guys at the airport bar say you're a regular Bill Brasky.ZenoRazon said:My cardio conditioning off the charts, Run the bleachers, skip rope, run 400's, jumping jacks.
That made...0...sense,All the guys at the airport bar say you're a regular Bill Brasky.
Hmmmmm?obviously, you aren't a golfer.
I think a top female pitcher would make me look foolish. A top WNBA player would make me look foolish now, but I am on the wrong side of 60 years old and have an artificial knee and hip, my pelvis bolted together and plates and screws in my radius and ulna in my right forearm. In my 20's I would have held up well against them. I do note that their skill level has increased dramatically over the last 20 years. At my best and the best of them now they would take me but not embarrass me. I do admire their game. they play great fundamental basketball, much better than the men. they are coachable. As for a top woman MMA fighter, well I wrestled throughout High School and did well. I boxed from 8 to 12 and again as a club sport in college. I trained for a good amount of time in sport judo which is different from the training they get, but not wholly. I have practiced Aikido for 20+ years and I am a fairly large fellow. I think they would be in trouble facing me, even now, at my advanced age. Still, top women MMA fighters are quite dangerous. Given my slowed reflexes they might get me in trouble. Given my artificial joints I would not be amenable to testing them in anything other than practice sparing. Full combat is not something I would risk at this point in my life.Agreed that those who said Rousey could beat a male MMA fighter or Mayweather were going a bit crazy. No way in hell that's going to happen.
Agree that most professional male athletes would beat a woman MMA fighter in a fight. But, if they haven't had any fight training, I think it will be closer than a lot of people think.
Disagree that most people on this board could beat a top woman MMA fighter. I've taken Muay Thai for about six or so years and I've sparred with some pretty good women. Even after that much training, there are amatuer women who would beat me in a boxing match, and that's not even taking into account that I have no ground training and if they got a hold of me, it would almost instantly be over. If I hadn't trained at all, it wouldn't even be close with most trained women - they would destroy me.
It's like this. If you've never swung a baseball bat, do you think you could hit a pitch thrown by a top women fastball pitcher? No way in hell. And even if you played some high school baseball you probably aren't hitting those pitches. If you never played basketball, do you think you'd beat a top woman WNBA player one-on-one? No way. So why do people think that with no training they would beat a highly-trained woman MMA fighter?
Here's a video of Chris Cyborg training - she was regarded as the best woman fighter in the world for a long time - until Amanda Nunes knocked her out. I'd say either Cyborg or Nunes would pretty much destroy just about anyone on this board. The video gets good about at about the 2:00 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNdPXJtBJQg
There are many people that prefer watching softball over baseball. Some believe that quick style of play and game is better than the slow pace of baseball.
middle 90s. college. guys i knew were huge... whatever they were calling this #### at the time. Tank Abbott was knocking dude's heads off. he was their favorite fighter. at the time they said i looked (in the face) like Tank Abbott. so they called me Tank.Speaking of tournaments, when I was a kid I somehow got my hands on one of the early UFC events and it was the greatest thing ever. My friends and I wore that thing out. I am pretty sure Tank Abbott killed a guy, and by the final he could barely breathe.
it amazing what a look and a great name can do for a person's PR and his longevity in peoples memories.middle 90s. college. guys i knew were huge... whatever they were calling this #### at the time. Tank Abbott was knocking dude's heads off. he was their favorite fighter. at the time they said i looked (in the face) like Tank Abbott. so they called me Tank.
what a time to be alive
No, no, no....this isn't possible. No one that posts on these boards could ever possibly have been an athlete and have skill sets of any kind beyond typing on a keyboard. I've been told multiple times that believing you are (or even were) able to do things physically well is delusional because, well, nerds.I think a top female pitcher would make me look foolish. A top WNBA player would make me look foolish now, but I am on the wrong side of 60 years old and have an artificial knee and hip, my pelvis bolted together and plates and screws in my radius and ulna in my right forearm. In my 20's I would have held up well against them. I do note that their skill level has increased dramatically over the last 20 years. At my best and the best of them now they would take me but not embarrass me. I do admire their game. they play great fundamental basketball, much better than the men. they are coachable. As for a top woman MMA fighter, well I wrestled throughout High School and did well. I boxed from 8 to 12 and again as a club sport in college. I trained for a good amount of time in sport judo which is different from the training they get, but not wholly. I have practiced Aikido for 20+ years and I am a fairly large fellow. I think they would be in trouble facing me, even now, at my advanced age. Still, top women MMA fighters are quite dangerous. Given my slowed reflexes they might get me in trouble. Given my artificial joints I would not be amenable to testing them in anything other than practice sparing. Full combat is not something I would risk at this point in my life.
I am now at an age where I have to start recognizing my limitations. Still, as a younger man I was fairly capable, not remarkably, but fairly, and that, coupled with some size made me formidable in martial sports. I was a decent H.S. football player and a slightly above average basketball player, but certainly nothing of note. Baseball and soccer, I loved playing and in pick up games at the grade school level I was selected first or next two, but I was not even average, I would say, moving forward to junior high and beyond and abandoned those sports quite early and so freely admit, as I did above that women could make me look foolish there. Golf, forget about it, I've played maybe 10 rounds in my life. I did compete for a great deal of time in a sport where there is, in most classes of the sport, no differentiation between men and women, that being sailing.No, no, no....this isn't possible. No one that posts on these boards could ever possibly have been an athlete and have skill sets of any kind beyond typing on a keyboard. I've been told multiple times that believing you are (or even were) able to do things physically well is delusional because, well, nerds.
I did a report forget why it was relevant to the class I took either way in college on the history of MMA and UFC. I went pretty far back to unsanctioned matches when John McCain wanted to ban MMA/UFC events and branded them as "human cockfighting matches." It was really interesting especially finding video of events where there was no weight classes. Pretty sure I saw a few people get killed in the cage but I'm not certain.I remember watching the early UFC events on a black box cable box (the ones which would unscramble the stations). They were crazy events.
Moe, if you are ever interested in the early days of the UFC (and MMA history in general), I can recommend an excellent book for you. To call those days "the wide west" is an injustice to how nuts things were
https://www.amazon.com/Total-MMA-Inside-Ultimate-Fighting/dp/1550228463/ref=pd_bxgy_14_img_2/142-5959045-8516031
The Tough Man matches were human #### fighting. Had brawlers, drunks, faux tough guys getting in the ring with frustrated former golden gloves guys who almost made it and pros who were unknown and unheralded, but dangerous. The theory was no more than five pro fights ever or in the last five years. The reality was entrants were recruited off the street with no vetting to fill out cards. Some low level pros snuck in when maybe they should not have, looking for easy money against folks hopelessly outclassed.I did a report forget why it was relevant to the class I took either way in college on the history of MMA and UFC. I went pretty far back to unsanctioned matches when John McCain wanted to ban MMA/UFC events and branded them as "human cockfighting matches." It was really interesting especially finding video of events where there was no weight classes. Pretty sure I saw a few people get killed in the cage but I'm not certain.
Yeah one of the things I put in my project and report was the fact that I believed in the early days the promoters relished and tried to set up mismatches as crowds went blood thirsty crazy for those knockouts. In my report I actually referred to the unsanctioned matches as basic modern day gladiatorial games without the weapons. I even put in the report how someone of these "promotions" were around far longer then they should've been. Back when I was 8-10 in cub scouts we went to a local Gym in my Township where most of the local cops went to the gym. It was ran by a former Hell's Angels guy who was buddy buddy with the cops. For a Cub Scout trip my troop leader was the guy who always was into getting us to sporting events, camping trips and you know basic cool guy stuff dads would want to do with their sons. Even an archery class. Well the local GYM promoted MMA Kickboxing type thing local stuff very amateur no one really famous or professional but some of the guys in it were some of the trainers of the gym and local cops. We took a self defense class there. Years latter at my work my co worker was good friends with the Owner of said gym and was doing his own program where I live currently. Not only did I go but it was almost like I didn't miss a beat of what to do. Honestly I'm not sure why or how my parents never had me go for Karate or some sort of MMA classes because it was pretty good for my coordination and everything.I think those Tough man promoters relished in setting up mismatches as the crowds howled in delight when some poor schlub got lit up.