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Sorry, you got a perfect score but you live in the wrong zip code so you only get a 1490. This is like adding a second to a sprinters time because he was born green. Just ridiculous.
There are so many zip codes in NYC that have super rich and super poor. Going to be weird to impliment this.
I don't get the whole test optional thing. Grades can fluctuate wildly between schools, but a straight knowledge test like the SAT seems to be a pretty good barometer for how much someone knows.
It's not going to have an impact on their score. It's just another factor for the schools to take into account. I am sure it is the schools who want this.
As others have mentioned, the score isn’t being affected. The headline should be “SAT to provide social and economic demographic data to university admissions offices.”
On one particular day and without regard to the resources that are available to a particular kid to prepare for that particular test (tutors, classes, etc.).
They aren't altering the test score. They are providing context to the conditions the score was earned in. It's not "Jimmy had a score of 1200 on the test + 200 points based on the portal for a total of 1400" Rather it's "Jimmy scored 1200 on the test while facing some pretty steep socioeconomic challenges".
This is what I take issue to. How are they going to determine this? Are students now going to be required to put their household income on the tests? zip codes show nothing.
It is the same difference except what the change is is hidden. Someone from group A needs a 1560 score while someome from Group B only needs a 1280. Do they actually change the score, no. But they might as well have.
My comment had nothing to do about altering the test score. It was meant to critique what you included in the last clause you wrote.
I do not agree. Nobody "needs" to do anything. It's entirely up to the university to decide what to do with the info as far as I can tell. If they want to ignore it they can. If a school wants to increase socieconomic diversity and they find this metric to be helpful then what's the problem?
The actual test score will not be impacted whatsoever. Attached to each test score will be a number from 1-100. The phrasing on the headline isn't great.
You can never completely even the playing field and the SAT can be taken multiple times if the kid had a bad day. Plus there's tons of study material out on the web free of charge.
If a student wants to attend that school, he needs too. No Asian kid is going to get into an IVY league school without a near-perfect SAT score. That is not true of other groups. Of course now they are tracking 'neighborhoods' instead of races to aviod the legal issues, but the bottom line is still discrimination especially against Asians.
Right, but if they are considering something else, wouldn't this have impact on the SAT score? Seems to me it would otherwise why else include it at admissions?
The only thing the SAT is standardized to do is assess the likelihood of success as a college freshman. However, GPA is a more accurate predictor of college success than the SAT so some schools just don’t bother with it.
In theory, a rigorous, comprehensive nationwide test would be a good barometer to see how much your average high school kid knows. But the SAT is not that. It is a good barometer for the wealth and education level of test-takers' parents.
sorry....when you said it was adding subjectivity to the exam, that's how it read. It's doing nothing to the exam other than providing context to the conditions the student was operating in to learn the info for the exam.
That's what this portal will provide. It will provide information about the school they are coming from. Information on the neighborhoods they grew up in. Information about the economies they live in etc.
I'm not sure what this means. This is simply an additional piece of information for admissions offices to look at should they want to know more. I'm not sure it's even required. I haven't read that it is.
Sure...but this approach is even more manipulatable than using the portal.
Really, the schools already get a lot of the information they're talking about here through things like the school report they require from an applicant's guidance office, so they're not looking at scores in a vacuum anyway. I think the SAT is just trying to market themselves to schools, hoping that in doing some extra legwork for them, they will decide to require applicants to take the SAT (or keep requiring it if they already do).
The owners of the SAT test realize the hole that looking at the test without context leaves. They wanted to help fill that hole. I think this ultimately resolved if schools didn't put such an emphasis in this sort of testing and actually took to the time to look at the individual students. I understand that would be incredibly expensive to staff up for and they are trying to walk a tightrope here.Phil Elliott said:
Are the universities paying SAT for this information?Ilov80s said:
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I’m not 100% sure. I think most of their revenue is from States paying to have all their students take the test. They have large contracts with the States. They also spend a lot of money lobbying to convince States to force their students to take the SAT. Of course they have to have good relationship with colleges because of colleges stop wanting the test, SAT is in trouble.
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