She’s fake and unlikable to a lot of people.
I support Biden over Warren because I agree with him more on several key issues. But these comments bother me because I think that if Warren was a man she wouldn’t come across the same way. Like Hillary she is an aggressive, pushy woman and people don’t like that. Kamala Harris has an easier time because somehow her persona is friendlier; also, she is far more physically attractive than Hillary or Warren. Unfortunately that matters.She seems as polarizing as Hillary.
Physical attraction has nothing to do with Hillary and Warren being disgusting dishonest politicians. AOC is attractive and many think she’s less than intelligent too. Stop all the mental gymnastics and stick to the topicI support Biden over Warren because I agree with him more on several key issues. But these comments bother me because I think that if Warren was a man she wouldn’t come across the same way. Like Hillary she is an aggressive, pushy woman and people don’t like that. Kamala Harris has an easier time because somehow her persona is friendlier; also, she is far more physically attractive than Hillary or Warren. Unfortunately that matters.
Our society continues to treat women as less than men; we objectify women.
At least 1/6024th fake for sureShe’s fake and unlikable to a lot of people.
I'm a woman. My top Dem choices are women. I have several women friends who feel as I do about Warren. She's earned the criticism, imo on the merits, not gender. ymmv.I support Biden over Warren because I agree with him more on several key issues. But these comments bother me because I think that if Warren was a man she wouldn’t come across the same way. Like Hillary she is an aggressive, pushy woman and people don’t like that. Kamala Harris has an easier time because somehow her persona is friendlier; also, she is far more physically attractive than Hillary or Warren. Unfortunately that matters.
Our society continues to treat women as less than men; we objectify women.
I don’t think being a woman grants you or your friends immunity to society’s tendencies towards the objectification of women. In fact it might very well be the opposite as some studies of 2016 suggest that women distrusted Hillary even more than men did.I'm a woman. My top Dem choices are women. I have several women friends who feel as I do about Warren. She's earned the criticism, imo on the merits, not gender. ymmv.
Please stop attributing positions to me and telling me what my feelings are. Joe Bryant has asked you to stop this nonsense already. I am capable of stating my own positions when I feel it necessary.I don’t think being a woman grants you or your friends immunity to society’s tendencies towards the objectification of women. In fact it might very well be the opposite as some studies of 2016 suggest that women distrusted Hillary even more than men did.
Sexism and how we regard women as leaders are complicated subjects. I’m well aware that when I suggest that it plays a significant role in how we all think, certain conservatives like @Ramblin Wreck are going to get annoyed and disagree. They’re going to argue that Hillary and Warren are disliked because of what they’ve done and how they behave. And there is some truth to this.
And yet, I’m also convinced that their sex plays a part. I truly believe that society, and I include you, me, Ramblin Wreck, and everybody else, is simply not as comfortable with aggressive women behaving the same way that men traditionally have as political leaders. Maybe that will change over time.
Sadly the best campaigners often don’t make the best governors and vice versa. Electing a President is actually a pretty stupid process. It would be like choosing an accountant through a singing competition.I moved back to Mass after 35 years just in time to be treated to her initial campaign against Scott Brown. I've been politically active since i was 13 (over half a century) and i aint seen a worse campaigner. She's nerdsmart to tornado-ramble proportions, self-conscious in a way that makes Conan O'Brien look like Cary Grant, has trouble being genuine in regular contact and quite evidently hates the process as much as she loves governance. I really like what her publicity folk are doing, brief guerilla attacks of policy ideas where shock & enthusiasm rule the day but, once she gets down to being examined in debate or interview, she'll fall back upon being caught between want she wants to say and has been told to say and ends up sounding faker than Hillary. If i were handling her, i would have sent her to method-acting classes so she knows the difference between telling & saying but, til then, she's the only member of DemCaravan who can str8up lose to Trump.
Didn’t women also distrust Trump more than men did? Maybe women are just better judges of character overall.In fact it might very well be the opposite as some studies of 2016 suggest that women distrusted Hillary even more than men did.
No, that’s not why.Is it because lobbyists don’t want her as president?
You already responded and I didn’t attribute any positions to you that you didn’t already very clearly state.Please stop attributing positions to me and telling me what my feelings are. Joe Bryant has asked you to stop this nonsense already. I am capable of stating my own positions when I feel it necessary.
He was a millionaire before that. He just has a difficult time owning it. There's nothing wrong with saying "Yeah, I'm a millionaire. And people like me should pay more taxes."Is there a lamer trope than "Bernie is a millionaire"?! He's a millionaire from books & lectures that are a direct result of his popularity as a public servant/politician
That is a fair point, absolutely, but it should not invalidate criticism of Warren on the merits.And, as said I have still picked two women over, what is it now, 18 or so guys? Hopefully all on merit, not perception.I don’t think being a woman grants you or your friends immunity to society’s tendencies towards the objectification of women.
It’s lame to hate on anybody because they are a millionaire, not sure why politicians that write books would merit special exemption and it’s less lame to call out the successful lawyer or basketball player.Is there a lamer trope than "Bernie is a millionaire"?! He's a millionaire from books & lectures that are a direct result of his popularity as a public servant/politician
You're a liar, as usual. See the bolded below.You already responded and I didn’t attribute any positions to you that you didn’t already very clearly state.
Your opinion is that a woman wouldn’t make a good President?Easy answer. He's got a penis.
Read the part again that you chose not to bold: “I include you, me, Ramblin Wreck, and everybody else”- in other words I was making a general argument about all of society and not about you in particular.You're a liar, as usual. See the bolded below.
And yet, I’m also convinced that their sex plays a part. I truly believe that society, and I include you, me, Ramblin Wreck, and everybody else, is simply not as comfortable with aggressive women behaving the same way that men traditionally have as political leaders. Maybe that will change over time.
You used my name. State whatever opinions about yourself you want. Leave me out of your nonsense and cut your lying BS about me out.Read the part again that you chose not to bold: “I include you, me, Ramblin Wreck, and everybody else”- in other words I was making a general argument about all of society and not about you in particular.
You seem awfully eager to call people liars. You also seem quite angry all the time, and quite eager to criticize other posters. I hope everything is OK with you in real life as you appear to be in a very bad mood.
not missing the point as badly as scooter, but he's being hamfistedly painted as hypocritical for personal wealth and thereby grouped with folks who've gamed the system, made even more ridiculous by the fact that the wealth is the direct, nearly accidental result of popular acceptance of his manifesto.It’s lame to hate on anybody because they are a millionaire, not sure why politicians that write books would merit special exemption and it’s less lame to call out the successful lawyer or basketball player.
not missing the point as badly as scooterIt’s lame to hate on anybody because they are a millionaire, not sure why politicians that write books would merit special exemption and it’s less lame to call out the successful lawyer or basketball player.
Okay, I'm running too.Whoever has the best chance of casting Trump out is the better candidate.
Unless this is Don Jr, you’ve got my voteOkay, I'm running too.
My official name is, Not Jr.Unless this is Don Jr, you’ve got my voteOkay, I'm running too.
You really need to stop the stuff Joe told you to not do. And then you act innocent.You already responded and I didn’t attribute any positions to you that you didn’t already very clearly state.
Check out this new guy.You really need to stop the stuff Joe told you to not do. And then you act innocent.
It's an interesting balance. Go with the "safest" in Biden or swing for the fences with someone who might generate more turnout.Whoever has the best chance of casting Trump out is the better candidate.
2008 says hi.It's an interesting balance. Go with the "safest" in Biden or swing for the fences with someone who might generate more turnout.
2008 says hi.
Whomever turns out the dems should be nominated. We'll sort out the policy details later.2008 says hi.
Bernie's supporters are by far the most passionate.It's an interesting balance. Go with the "safest" in Biden or swing for the fences with someone who might generate more turnout.
Absolutely not. And I don't think Biden is a better candidate than Warren, who is my preferred candidate at this point in time. It's just the only answer I can think someone would give to the question, because I think Warren outclasses him in every single other way.Maurile Tremblay said:Your opinion is that a woman wouldn’t make a good President?
Except nobody in this thread has given it. (Present company excluded.)It's just the only answer I can think someone would give to the question, because I think Warren outclasses him in every single other way.
This is the post immediately above yoursExcept nobody in this thread has given it. (Present company excluded.)
We did the shrill, old white woman in 2016. It didn't work.
Whether you like it or not, winning president is mostly about personality. Biden is likable. Warren is not.
The GOP is going to use the “socialist” smear no matter who the Dem nominee is. They did it to Obama, and it worked pretty well - something like 2/3 of GOP voters believed he was a straight-up socialist.lazyike said:Republicans would love to see either Warren or Sanders become the Democrat nominee for President. Today on This week with George Stephanopolis on the round table Christie was loving it as a progressive Democrat was arguing with Democrat Heitkamp about Medicare for all. Christie said(and I agree) if you give Americans the binary choice of him or a “socialist” Trump is going to get re-elected. Many of you may not think that Sanders or Warren are socialists or if they were that’s not bad, but the Midwest wants no part of it. Polls show Biden leading Trump by 14 points, Sanders head to head a 7 point lead and Warren only a 3 point lead. Democrats number one goal is to defeat Trump and they want to put the best horse out there so they are jumping on the Biden bandwagon.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/05/16/trump-down-biden-pennsyvania-more-than-10-quinnipiac-poll/3691646002/
A lot of them are also not really Democrats.Politician Spock said:Bernie's supporters are by far the most passionate.