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He's the 3rd best player on his own team, but where do you put rank him overall? I'd say he's probably around 10-12.
He may be 15-20. I'd like to see him without the benefit of playing with 2 MVPs and actually having to carry a team and draw the top opponents defenders.
That's the correct top five, I have a lot of trouble trimming that down to three though. Really just depends on who's playing well at the time.
Including postseason think you need to bump Curry up to top tier . PG13 had fantastic year and needs to move up a few spots. Think Kyrie and Jokic merit serious attention in bottom tier as well.
I think we just learned that while Giannis is indeed a freak, he has no business on this list until he can shoot a mid range.
He shot 41% from 10-19 feet this year. Not great but good enough to respect. He got locked up by a legendary defender in this series.
If you're starting a team, Anteaternintendo's youth and consistent improvement puts him at the top of the list for me. He's gotten better every season and I wouldn't be against him fixing holes in his game. The Raps were fortunate to win in OT, but the Bucks will rebound and take the series.
Yeah, it'll probably be the same next year, but I don't see the Raptors winning another game this series
Regular season is great. Playoffs another story.
The defense was largely one of the best defensive players ever. I don’t think most teams have that.
His shooters have to knock down shots. He could do better finding the right guy, but his passing and vision was pretty good. The defense has to be concerned with at least 2 other guys being open for Giannis to get his space.
That was more Bledsoe and Middleton playing like crap. Giannis was still putting up 20 plus per night despite a defense selling out to stop him. If his support guys play their average the Bucks would’ve won in 5. He got no support this series at all.
Gobert is a great player and they use him really well, but no way does he have the versatility to be anywhere near the top 3 discussion, especially offensively. Very limited.
I was looking at Basketball Reference after reading through the thread and was surprised to see the three big guys I listed as all being top 10 in terms of Win Shares/48 over the last three years among players with at least 30 mins a game. Obviously everyone in the thread agrees with you, but I thought it was interesting that they were all listed so highly and hadn't been mentioned at all. Maybe the value of interior defense and rebounding is underrated?
It is great, though very hard to determine whether it is better than the French rejection.
This is pretty good overall, imo. It is difficult to do these things, because it depends on what time frame we are talking about. One game today for a million dollars? Just this year's playoffs? Starting now through next year? To build your franchise around for the next 10 years? To have the best regular season? To just have the overall best skillset?
I'm sure that GSW would never imagine that having Durant would have been better for them than Curry at any point in the past or near future. But to be placed on any random team, Durant's physical profile and greater defensive ability is likely to create more value. I guess the question of "best" depends on whether you are leaning more toward total skills or actual impact on wins (and wins at the highest level).
Yup. If we were picking for next year, he’s down a slight bit. If we were picking to build a franchise for the future, he’s #1 by a wide margin.
It's comical that the Bucks season ended on a jumped P&R, cuz it's what they shoulda been doing all along and wouldnta been jumpable if they knew how to do it.
Harden doesn’t make the top three (and I don’t really disagree with your ranking overall), but it’s worth mentioning that “anti-team” Harden had more assists per game this season than every other player on your list.
Steph may ultimately be more valuable to his team, but KD is easily the better all around player imo.
Well he plays a lot at the point so that’s kind of his job. Golden State can win a championship without Durant they can’t win one without Curry.
Doesn't he play point guard either way? Sure seems to take the alpha role with KD out, defers to KD as the alpha when he is in.
My point is KD couldn’t win a championship without Curry. He led an extremely talented OKC team that couldn’t get past Golden State. Overall KD may be more talented that Curry but I think Curry has that same drive/moxie, whatever you want to call it that MJ had that separates him from other top players.matuski said:
That's why he's moving on - to prove different. He signed w GS because Jerry West told him that his legacy would hinge on whether he had championships so use the huge jump in cap to sign w the Dubs and get em right away. Now he finds himself cursed as a bandwagoneer, so he'll resolve that by bringing a title back to the East w a li'l help from his friends
This Golden State team would win with or without either one. OKC was a dysfunctional mess of a team.
