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that doesn't change the fact that CO2 absorbs solar heat more than the rest of naturally occurring atmosphere, and the atmosphere has more CO2 than ever before.
I dont know. I usually let the board police decide where these go. There are lots of them here
I’d really like to see some sort of data supporting it before I’ll believe it. Show me these cycles exist first, then show me the earth temps, on a graph with 2 lines, and the correlation. (I don’t expect you to make me a graph) Also, as temperatures keep increasing, if this does have legs then we’re screwed in 15ish years when it swings back the other way and warms up.
These cycles exist. There isn’t debate about that. They just typically have only a very small affect on earth’s temperature.
Right, i meant show me the data supporting it in sunspot activity compared to earth temps. I didn’t mean to imply they were fictional. I think it’s something to consider when discussing the warming of the planet, but that article essentially deflects or dismisses humans part in climate change, and claims “the top of the atmosphere was 10 times warmer in the ‘58 solar maximum” for whatever that’s worth, essentially downplaying climate change as normal ebb and flow of nature.
It shouldn't be but one party embraces religion, however illogical it may be, over science.
I agree it completely did that. There are some who still disagree that climate change is truly man made. I found the article to be interesting and it will be even more interesting to see over the next couple years if the global temperature cools. Heck the greenhouse effect may offset this cooling, but I don't think it's entirely reasonable to completely dismiss it. Just as it isn't entirely reasonable to dismiss global warming as man made. Full disclosure, I am not entirely convinced there aren't other factors beyond humanity, that could lead tot he rising earth temperature. And as I have stated in other threads, I'm not entirely convinced it is that bad if it's true.
Methane (and water vapor for that matter) are much stronger greenhouse gases. Just a point of fact.This. Can’t blame dinosaur farts this go around.
Right, but my point was dinosaurs aren’t around any more to the best of my knowledge. Alex Jones May beg to differ.
Problem with that is, of course, the speculation of how much the earth will warm. This is still just a guess. Actually, it's a guess on both sides.
Except one side guesses with 99% of the scientists on their side with boatloads of data and ####
Not true. there is not a 99% consensus on how much the Earth will warm, if it does at all.
This seems relatively simple. I don't think anyone questions the concept of cycles. They happen. The concern is our direct impact to those cycles and keeping them in line with what would happen naturally vs our impacts and making them worse
Are you aware of the accuracy of the guesses on this topic going all the way back to the 70s?
I think it would be pretty ignorant to think that climate scientists, the ones that are actually looking at the data before them and hypothesizing based on science as opposed to partisan science, have ignored this when making climate models.
Oh I don't disagree at all. Just because there is a difference of opinion doesn't mean progress should stop. With you on that one completely.
Yeah not the best source..However it seems there is agreement that this phenomenon is happening. What it means, well there is where we get speculation, as we do with climate scientists predictions on what will happen to the planet due to global warming. Its guessing
Science isn’t guessing. They aren’t guessing there’s a decrease in sunspot activity, it’s quantifiable. We are spewing CO2, methane, and other gases/chems into the atmosphere and it has consequences from buildup of gases to ozone depletion. You don’t seem to be a climate denier but also seem to be looking for a reason to not believe it could be (or definitely is) accelerated by the last 100 years of human activity (since the Industrial Age.)
The guessing I refer to is the Earth's temperature increase. I think that's an estimate..Guess isn't a fair word. I'm not a denier...but I am also open to other possibilites.Snorkelson said:
It’s a hypothesis, unfortunately the only way to test it is to let the experiment of the human race go on and see how it plays out. I would love it if this explained climate change, but it doesn’t.
