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Goodbye Sarah Sanders (2 Viewers)
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
No it is not. He simply does not care. He does not waste a moment with any concerns about being honest.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I have to say I’m not sure anyone has the bullheaded determination to plow through insane claims like SHS. Gidley’s likely to have the same stammering self doubts as Spice man & Mooch when the spotlight’s on him.
Sand
Footballguy
Perilously close to Joe's "don't be a jackass" rule. Go drink a beer or something.
And it was a reference to the stuff on the first page of this thread, nothing more.
I should say the same to you.
My post was a serious post about the topic and you responded with a lame attempt at a joke. And now you are calling me a jackass for pointing that out. Do better.
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Sand
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You know, when I have responded to your posts I disagreed with in the past I feel like I have been pretty fair and understanding. So this line of poking fun at me for a post that was not directed at you (or anyone but SHS) seems pretty ridiculous.
Notebook updated, I guess.
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Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Pretty awesome that Slappy doesn't realize how snarky his posts always come across and thinks he is being picked on.
Perhaps what HellToupee is trying to say is that another public White House official such as Kelly Ann Conway is even more dishonest.
whoknew
Footballguy
You wrote that she compromised her moral base for partisanship. That assumes she has some moral base on which to build.
Sand
Footballguy
I'd call it condescending, but close enough.
Damn, it was a joke and not directed at anyone, much less him. The super serious, no levity allowed, iToughguy schtick on a message board is so darn old. We're not talking about 9/11, it's about Sarah freaking Sanders.
Yeah, I don't like her and what she took part in.....but she did her job well for the most part.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
apalmer
Footballguy
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
When I see these types of posts in here I always think what do these guys say when their son or daughter asks:
”Dad, what did you do today”
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
This is the worst possible take. This is how Trumpism gets normalized and drags us down into the mud forever. Give me 10 semi-honest Trumpers who simply don't care about the unprecedented lying and lack of accountability and transparency and pettiness over this "it's just politics!" horse####.
I don't have any children, so you miss the mark again. Do you tell yours that you like to troll and insult people on a FF message board?
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The Commish
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knowledge dropper
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
He responded to you. You brought his family into it...HTH
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Not at all. I was attempting to point out how someone admitting they keep a notebook on posters seems like a wasted life. I hope he was kidding.
Flinging poop to troll/distract from the topic is the entire point for some posters. They certainly don't want to talk about the near constant lying of SHS. Or how she admitted she to Mueller's team she lied about getting statements from the FBI.
Do you think I have an actual notebook? I can't even read my own handwriting. I take note of posters that do not want to engage seriously and don't waste my time debating topics with them. People like yourself who popped in for a random personal insult attempt.
Not at all. I was attempting to point out how someone admitting they keep a notebook on posters seems like a wasted life. I hope he was kidding.
I'm not saying it is right. I'm saying that Sanders plays what we nowadays call "politics" very well. She is smarmy and devilish because that's what politics has become. And she does it better than most.
Henry Ford
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Henry Ford
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I understand what you're saying. I just think it's wrong and a potentially very harmful approach. What Sanders has done as press secretary bears very little resemblance to "what we nowadays call 'politics'" before Trump came along, IMO. We used to have regular press briefings that made the president accountable to the American people before Trump and Sanders- that's why they were known as "daily press briefings." A Press Secretary telling admitted lies to the press corps would have been a monster story likely ending with the dismissal of the press secretary before Trump and Sanders. A Press Secretary calling out a small local restaurant that politely refused to serve her by name, knowingly triggering constant harassment and death threats for the employees and owner, would have been a monster story likely ending with the dismissal of the press secretary before Trump and Sanders. And on and on and on.
I don't think people should normalize this and all the other stuff as remotely resembling anything else we've seen in politics. It's not, and calling it that both normalizes it and removes the incentive for other politicians not to act like this.
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Henry Ford
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SaintsInDome2006
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This is not democratic politics as usual. I guess I've read a lot about authoritarian rule, in books and in current events reporting, and IMO this has resembled authoritarianism. I know that will sound extreme to some ears but I'll tell you why. One reason is that the Trump administration does not think it has any duty to inform the people or Congress of what is going on. So, no press conferences, but also the hostility towards questions designed to elicit information. This is an authoritarian view of the free press and also the people btw. - Second, the purpose is to lie, not just hide the truth. It's basically servile propaganda. And please whoever is reacting to this, all I ask is that you look at press statements by authoritarian regimes. They are very much like this, it's not talking points like we see in US government in past history. I will say that our increasing acceptance of talking points, partisanship and increased power in the presidency has helped get us here, inured us, but this is a break, it's different. - I think a lot of the conflict with the Trump presidency is that the administration's behavior exists in what is a free society so the conflict is constant.
And Sanders is leaving like McGahn because she cooperated and told the truth to the Special Counsel, that's why it's happening. She is a totally loyal servant to the president and it's not good enough.
Just as an example, here Trump said Don McGahn lied to the Special counsel to burnish his reputation. Don McGahn has left as well. - ABC waited a year for this interview. Stephanopoulos pressed Trump on lying about the fact that he avoided questioning on obstruction. Trump's response? Steph was being a "little wise guy." This is what he expects from his press people.
And Sanders is leaving like McGahn because she cooperated and told the truth to the Special Counsel, that's why it's happening. She is a totally loyal servant to the president and it's not good enough.
Just as an example, here Trump said Don McGahn lied to the Special counsel to burnish his reputation. Don McGahn has left as well. - ABC waited a year for this interview. Stephanopoulos pressed Trump on lying about the fact that he avoided questioning on obstruction. Trump's response? Steph was being a "little wise guy." This is what he expects from his press people.
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apalmer
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
This seems a propitious time to re-advocate that the position be given the title of "Nuncio". If its good enough for the Pope its good enough for us. Don't give me a "press secretary" a "spokesperson" a "public information officer", not when I can hear it from a "Nuncio". Also, I think the Nuncio ought to appear at an extremely elevated podium, strongly back lit, and have a voice converter so that no matter their real speaking voice they come out sounding like James Earl Jones. Alternatively I would accept a variety of voices including James Earl, Lorne Green, Morgan Freeman, and either Elmo Monster or Popeye the Sailor man., or perhaps Kristin Chenoweth (sounds like a cartoon mouse but sings like and angel.)
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TobiasFunke
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Saying she does what she does well is very different from characterizing what she does as something resembling politics in general. It's the latter part that I think is so harmful, for the reasons I explained before.
FWIW I also don't think she does what she does very well. Do you think she's won over or retained supporters for this administration at a clip that some other random lackey couldn't have done? Do you think she's created more positive press coverage for the administration than someone else might have? Do you think she's avoided having more slip-ups and "gotcha" moments through skill and intelligence as opposed to just ignoring people who want to talk to her- a tactic my son has perfected at age 5?
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Ditkaless Wonders
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That she did it doggedly I agree, that she did it well I dispute. If one is lying well one is not found out on every lie, or nearly so.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I agree she did what she was asked to do very well, better than Spicer or Mooch, and it will not be easy to replace her.
Really I think it's very stressful for all the Trump press people, regardless of what others think of them. It's a stressful job in general but Trump has been through what 8-9 press secretaries and communications directors? Spicer, Mooch, Shine, Short, SHS, Hicks, Dubke, Jason Miller...
Right now the White House doesn't have a Communications Director at all.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Priebus -> Kelly -> Mulvaney, who is also Budget director.
The US government does not have a permanent chief of staff and the budget director isn't budget directing. So I'd say net negative here.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
The Executive branch is like some 22 year old's startup being run out of his mother's basement.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
All that said, if they give the job to Mooch and starts having regular PCs I might rethink my opposition to this administration.
Maybe you should type it out in Notepad because you haven't been very successful in this thread so far.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
I think that's a fair point, although I would disagree with describing everything she does as "politics".
- putting spin on the day's news? Sure, that's politics. I expect any administration's spokesperson to do this, and I agree that Sanders did it better than anyone.
- getting angry and condescending with the press? This is a grey area IMO. Every press secretary acts with superiority and condescension; Sanders was a master of it although I think she and the Trump administration have pushed it further than any previous administration has done.
- telling outright provable lies? Okay, here is where I think a line gets crossed. Sanders has admitted under oath that she told lies -- that's certainly unprecedented.
- refusing to hold press briefings? Again, a line has been crossed. G.W. Bush (and Obama) held briefings almost daily, yet Trump/Sanders often went weeks at a time without speaking to the press. Trump and his supporters will argue that Twitter is a far more effective method of disseminating their talking points -- which is true, but of course it's also a tacit nod to authoritarianism.
I suppose you could argue that Sanders was not directly responsible for these things and that she was merely following the orders of her boss. But from an ethical point of view, she is still responsible for it all (especially the lying). If she had an ounce of integrity she would have resigned as soon as they stopped doing semi-daily briefings.
apalmer
Footballguy
Too bad Jim Nabors isn't around anymore. He could have gone with a Gomer Pyle approach but used his singing voice.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
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