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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

Agreed that neither side of the aisle has a higher moral ground, but I disagree that there’s no difference between calling out men and women. It’s far worse to call out women, IMO. 

I'd say the democrats have the moral high ground.  They didn't elect the number one offender of this to run the country and they wouldn't.  That's a bit more important than what people on both sides say on twitter.

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2 minutes ago, Daywalker said:

I'd say the democrats have the moral high ground.  They didn't elect the number one offender of this to run the country and they wouldn't.  That's a bit more important than what people on both sides say on twitter.

Thanks for proving that this won't end anytime soon. Not when people keep finding ways to justify it like you just did.

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1 hour ago, Plorfu said:

Trump is a vulgar pig who hurls personal insults at people hourly. That fat, spray-tanned raccoon deserves everything that's said about him and more. 

Don't.

I understand your point. But that's not what we're going to do here. 

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34 minutes ago, Daywalker said:

I'd say the democrats have the moral high ground.  They didn't elect the number one offender of this to run the country and they wouldn't.  That's a bit more important than what people on both sides say on twitter.

The problem with this line of thinking is that the Democrats have done nothing to earn the moral high ground. No question Trump is awful but one doesn’t get the moral high ground by default. You have to earn it. There are individual Democrats out there who have (and a few Republicans as well) but as a political party no. 

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32 minutes ago, FBG Moderator said:

Don't.

I understand your point. But that's not what we're going to do here. 

Other than to insult the POTUS what was his point?

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3 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Other than to insult the POTUS what was his point?

That the biggest insulter of other people based on appearance in this entire nation is Donald Trump, and for that reason (among with many others) he deserves scorn and derision. 

Also, I sense your “outrage” at President Trump being attacked in such a manner is largely feigned. 

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2 hours ago, Plorfu said:

Trump is a vulgar pig who hurls personal insults at people hourly. That fat, spray-tanned raccoon deserves everything that's said about him and more. 

Raccoons are very clean animals. 

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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

The problem with this line of thinking is that the Democrats have done nothing to earn the moral high ground. No question Trump is awful but one doesn’t get the moral high ground by default. You have to earn it. There are individual Democrats out there who have (and a few Republicans as well) but as a political party no. 

The false equivalency between democrats on twitter and the elected leader of the Republican party is why the republicans can do what they do.  

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23 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Raccoons are very clean animals. 

I don't think they spray-tan, either. 

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8 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You have a point but it is a little different with Trump.  It's more of a retaliation against Trump because that's how he treats others.  Not saying it's right but I see more justification behind it.  More of a "### for tat" kind of deal.

Eh...try to be better than a buffoon

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2 hours ago, FBG Moderator said:

Don't.

I understand your point. But that's not what we're going to do here. 

Not gonna do the "reality staring us in the face," huh? Ignoring it are we?

 

51 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Raccoons are very clean animals. 

Vulgar pigs are not clean.

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5 hours ago, HellToupee said:

I’m not embarrassed by my opinion, not embarrassed in the least bit. 

And thus our collective problem 

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Theodore Roosevelt said that speaking out against criticism of the President "is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

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7 hours ago, HellToupee said:

Im not sure he was

This is some of the worst head in sand shtick I’ve seen in a long time.  

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On 6/14/2019 at 3:59 PM, [scooter] said:

...except for, you know, the part about admitting that she was a liar.

She served Trump well....she could lie, play the dirty game of politics and avoid answering questions as good as any of Trump's servants. (“Frankly , if people of faith don't get involved in the dirty process, then you're missing the entire point of what we're called to do”)

And there’s the Donald with the “It doesn’t matter we won”

I think that there is a distinct difference between Trumpers and the Trump haters. Trumpers think bending or breaking the rules(the Hatch Act, getting dirt from foreign countries etc) lying and playing dirty is fine as long as the right team wins. Hence the, it doesn’t matter we won.

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On 6/14/2019 at 10:45 AM, timschochet said:

Your post here, and @Ramblin Wreck‘s comments in the AOC thread, are starting to give me an insight into the reason that so many right wing types continue to defend Donald Trump, or at least, are willing to excuse him for bad behavior which you KNOW is bad: because you cynically believe that most politicians are liars, most politicians are corrupt, and the only thing that separates Trump is that he is more blatant about it. 

This seems to be a strongly held belief among conservatives, and it’s growing among certain anti-establishment type progressives as well. No offense to you personally but I believe this is extremely dangerous for our society and needs to be fought against. 

“It’s no secret that a liar won’t believe anyone else” 

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20 hours ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Both sides cross the line into making criticisms of appearance all the time so it's about as hypocritical as it gets when one side blasts the other for doing it. No one should be claiming a higher moral ground on either side of the aisle.

It’s pathetic, really.  Pages and pages of playing the victim and crying.  It is so tired.  

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20 hours ago, timschochet said:

The problem with this line of thinking is that the Democrats have done nothing to earn the moral high ground. No question Trump is awful but one doesn’t get the moral high ground by default. You have to earn it. There are individual Democrats out there who have (and a few Republicans as well) but as a political party no. 

Just look at Franken actions and results as some sort of comparison.  You are wrong.  

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On 6/14/2019 at 2:39 PM, sho nuff said:

Or about her going back to Arkansas to call the Hogs as they do there.

That is exactly what I meant. Trump already encouraged her to run for Gov in Arkansas and that is the most famous call in the state, go to a Razorback game and that's all you hear. Cost me a timeout- my first in 19 years!

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2 hours ago, Joe Mammy said:
On 6/14/2019 at 11:39 AM, sho nuff said:

Or about her going back to Arkansas to call the Hogs as they do there.

That is exactly what I meant. Trump already encouraged her to run for Gov in Arkansas and that is the most famous call in the state, go to a Razorback game and that's all you hear. Cost me a timeout- my first in 19 years!

The irony here is that your motives were pure while the moderator was the one who naturally thought, "Well, of course he's talking about her looks!" :lol:

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2 hours ago, Joe Mammy said:

That is exactly what I meant. Trump already encouraged her to run for Gov in Arkansas and that is the most famous call in the state, go to a Razorback game and that's all you hear. Cost me a timeout- my first in 19 years!

:lmao: that is amazingly bad

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Sarah is a national treasure and Trump was unbelievably lucky to have had her.

When she was hired I thought it was purely on the name Huckabee....I thought she'd be a disaster.

One of the few genuinely good hires of the Trump era.

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1 minute ago, Statorama said:

Sarah is a national treasure and Trump was unbelievably lucky to have had her.

When she was hired I thought it was purely on the name Huckabee....I thought she'd be a disaster.

One of the few genuinely good hires of the Trump era.

Again...good in what way?

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14 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Again...good in what way?

Being Trump's press secretary is...let's be honest...a nightmare job.  For the first time in recent memory, a white house press secretary had to deal with a boss that they didn't know what they would say or do next.  At best, Trump's messaging in his first term was a bit erratic.  Her boss was openly hostile (with good reason) to the press corps, the group she had to deal with each day.  She had to put the ray of sunshine on things that everyone else was calling poo.  She would have to wake up each morning dreading opening up the Twitter app.

She controlled the room.  You had a bunch of democrat political operatives with bylines being overtly rude to her daily.  Each and every day she faced the mob and answered questions as the conduit to the White House.  In fact, I think she expressed Trump's policies better than Trump does.

She didn't get the pass that Obama's press secretaries did, where the hardest question they faced was "Gosh, what is it like to work with President Obama".  Good grief, did Robert Gibbs ever have to put up with nonsense like Acosta?

Sanders was Spock to Trump's Kirk.  Trump is all intuition and going by the seat of his pants.  Sanders laid it out logically.  All business, nothing personal.

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5 minutes ago, Statorama said:

Being Trump's press secretary is...let's be honest...a nightmare job.  For the first time in recent memory, a white house press secretary had to deal with a boss that they didn't know what they would say or do next.  At best, Trump's messaging in his first term was a bit erratic.  Her boss was openly hostile (with good reason) to the press corps, the group she had to deal with each day.  She had to put the ray of sunshine on things that everyone else was calling poo.  She would have to wake up each morning dreading opening up the Twitter app.

She controlled the room.  You had a bunch of democrat political operatives with bylines being overtly rude to her daily.  Each and every day she faced the mob and answered questions as the conduit to the White House.  In fact, I think she expressed Trump's policies better than Trump does.

She didn't get the pass that Obama's press secretaries did, where the hardest question they faced was "Gosh, what is it like to work with President Obama".  Good grief, did Robert Gibbs ever have to put up with nonsense like Acosta?

Sanders was Spock to Trump's Kirk.  Trump is all intuition and going by the seat of his pants.  Sanders laid it out logically.  All business, nothing personal.

So... she was really good at misleading the public and lying.  I agree, was perfect for Trump's press secretary.

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

really good at misleading the public and lying.  I agree, was perfect for Trump's press secretary.

You misspelled Obama

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8 minutes ago, Statorama said:

Being Trump's press secretary is...let's be honest...a nightmare job.  For the first time in recent memory, a white house press secretary had to deal with a boss that they didn't know what they would say or do next.  At best, Trump's messaging in his first term was a bit erratic.  Her boss was openly hostile (with good reason) to the press corps, the group she had to deal with each day.  She had to put the ray of sunshine on things that everyone else was calling poo.  She would have to wake up each morning dreading opening up the Twitter app.

She controlled the room.  You had a bunch of democrat political operatives with bylines being overtly rude to her daily.  Each and every day she faced the mob and answered questions as the conduit to the White House.  In fact, I think she expressed Trump's policies better than Trump does.

She didn't get the pass that Obama's press secretaries did, where the hardest question they faced was "Gosh, what is it like to work with President Obama".  Good grief, did Robert Gibbs ever have to put up with nonsense like Acosta?

Sanders was Spock to Trump's Kirk.  Trump is all intuition and going by the seat of his pants.  Sanders laid it out logically.  All business, nothing personal.

:mellow:

 

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24 minutes ago, Statorama said:

Being Trump's press secretary is...let's be honest...a nightmare job.  For the first time in recent memory, a white house press secretary had to deal with a boss that they didn't know what they would say or do next.  At best, Trump's messaging in his first term was a bit erratic.  Her boss was openly hostile (with good reason) to the press corps, the group she had to deal with each day.  She had to put the ray of sunshine on things that everyone else was calling poo.  She would have to wake up each morning dreading opening up the Twitter app.

She controlled the room.  You had a bunch of democrat political operatives with bylines being overtly rude to her daily.  Each and every day she faced the mob and answered questions as the conduit to the White House.  In fact, I think she expressed Trump's policies better than Trump does.

She didn't get the pass that Obama's press secretaries did, where the hardest question they faced was "Gosh, what is it like to work with President Obama".  Good grief, did Robert Gibbs ever have to put up with nonsense like Acosta?

Sanders was Spock to Trump's Kirk.  Trump is all intuition and going by the seat of his pants.  Sanders laid it out logically.  All business, nothing personal.

Each day?  When was her last actual press conference? Also, she was hostile towards most questions.  She was basically a second Trump lying and being hostile rather than really answering the question an of the media and people.

If her job was to provide cover for POTUS, she did that.  But as far as dealing with the media and actually providing the voice, the message and answering questions...she was a failure. Logically?  I disagree.

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7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:
13 minutes ago, Statorama said:

You misspelled Obama

Cute, but no, I did not.

@Stat spent many years playing the role of Sarah Palin's #1 supporter/defender/cheerleader on these boards.

He is 100% shtick and should be enjoyed solely on that level. If the :e: board still existed, he'd be making fun of you right now.

And now, this:

On 7/23/2009 at 10:13 AM, Statorama said:
timschochet said:

This argument reminds me of the one where certain conservatives in this forum refuse to acknowledge, despite overwhelming evidence, that waterboarding is torture. Some things are just so obvious that even to attempt to explain them seems absurd. If you don't understand that this situation would have gone down COMPLETELY differently had the professor been white, then you don't want to understand, and you never will.

Tim, these rubes won't even admit Sarah Palin has displayed more day-to-day common sense in her lifetime than Barack Obama has.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Statorama said:

You misspelled Obama

How so?  

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Just now, [scooter] said:

@Stat spent many years playing the role of Sarah Palin's #1 supporter/defender/cheerleader on these boards.

He is 100% shtick and should be enjoyed solely on that level. If the :e: board still existed, he'd be making fun of you right now.

And now, this:

 

 

Yeah just basically an all around fishing for responses...I never can understand the appeal of that.  Oooh, I got some anonymous person to respond to me.  Yay!!!!

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Fox had eight years to get tough with Obama questioning. But real reporting is not something they apparently do.

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Stat gonna Stat. 

Be ready for the onslaught starting in 2020

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I don't like being stared at like I'm just a big pile of meat, but sometimes we have to accept what we are.  I am a big pile of meat, and Sarah Sanders is a proven liar.  

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