timschochet
Footballguy
I wish there was a way Klobuchar could get more attention. Really like her.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Klobuchar has all of Biden’s strengths in the general, and none of his weaknesses. How would Trump beat her? She would be a sure thing IMO.
jhib
Footballguy
Good point, but navigating Twitter might be asking a little much of Joe30330.
(like I should talk... it still confuses me when I go on there)
i would agree but Joe might have worse gaffes in the next year that might scare people off
I don't even understand the concept for the commercial. Are they saying that people like AOC are going to start mass murders of black people if the Democrats win the election? Like as soon as Biden goes to the White House he is starting concentration camps on random people?Some ABC stations ran an ad of a burning picture of AOC which then showed skulls
This is seriously effed up
Looks like it only ran on Sinclair Stations
It is funny how the people who screaming the most about snowflakes are so scared ####less over 1 woman in 1 district in 1 state.
E Street Brat
Footballguy
Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't the democrats/union types always been in favor of tariffs? At least until Trump was elected. Or did their position change before that?
ren hoek
Footballguy
The transcript:
Andrew Perez @andrewperezdc
Man, journalists are giving Julian Castro a really raw deal here. Look at the transcript. He is quite obviously right and Biden is dead wrong.
Andrew Perez @andrewperezdc
Man, journalists are giving Julian Castro a really raw deal here. Look at the transcript. He is quite obviously right and Biden is dead wrong.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
President Trump is 500 times better than President Sanders. Bernie would no question be the worst President ever.
The General
Footballguy
He was a doosh about it. Old people don’t like some guy coming across like a little snot nose punk.
The General
Footballguy
We’ll never know but I disagree. Trump has shown the ship can just steer itself for awhile. Guy is inept.
The point was though that Bernie was polling ahead of Hillary vs Trump IIRC.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Good description of Castro's demeanor, General.
One more debate note. The drinking game for October is when Bernie or Liz say corruption. Stock up now.
One more debate note. The drinking game for October is when Bernie or Liz say corruption. Stock up now.
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The Commish
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
I like Castro but that was a bad look for me. Totally planned it seemed. He also needs to pay royalties to Obama, dude talks exactly like him.Good description of Castro's demeanor, General.
One more debate note. The drinking game for October is when Bernie or Liz say corruption. Stock up now.
E Street Brat
Footballguy
I'm sure @timschochet has read 100's of books and several 1000's of articles on the subject. Maybe he knows.
timschochet
Footballguy
Lol, haven’t read that much but Union Dems are usually protectionist while establishment “Third Way” Dems, starting with Bill Clinton, are generally for free trade. It was Clinton who pushed through NAFTA and GATT; Obama was for TPP.
The best pro-capitalist argument for free trade I have ever heard in my life was made by Al Gore in a debate with Ross Perot on the Larry King show.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
From fivethirtyeight today, almost 60% of Democrats understand what Job One is.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I wish more people would see this.
Somebody wrote last night that she is boring, has no charisma. Unfortunately that may be true. It was true of Abraham Lincoln and Harry Truman as well; neither would have been elected in the modern age of television. But Donald Trump has charisma.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
ren hoek
Footballguy
People also don't like the party apparatus falling in line behind a politician who is insulated from criticism because he's old. He doesn't get to make up whatever he wants and tell lies and not get called out for it. It's a presidential debate, not an old folk's home.
Trump, Bernie, Ron Paul and many others have been trashed up and down the street for what could be called 'ageist' comments by the same measure. There's hardly a day that passes on this board where people aren't railing about Trump going senile. But Joe Biden gets this protection racket somehow. Give me a break.
The Commish
Footballguy
Been my personal mantra regarding politics in this country for the better part of a decade Tim
The General
Footballguy
I’m seeing people say Biden wasn’t lying. For me Biden has the most realistic HC plan up there. Is he making up some ####, probably. Is Castro with what ever plan he has, I guarantee it. None of these people can tell you exactly what will happen with HC because it’s a huge clusterF that will never turn out how they plan even in a perfect world where they get to do exactly what they want without republicans ####### it all up.
Regardless, it’s not as much protecting Biden to me as if you want to look like a little ##### and repeat 5 times “you must have forgotten Joe you know because you are old and I’m not” then by all means go ahead.
My suggestion would be maybe wait a few more minutes into the debate until you use your cheesy lines. Biden’s record player line maybe would have been better timing there Castro.
Perhaps he could get his own speaking style while he’s at it, he sounds like a cheap Obama knock off.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Klobauchar has the same likability as Hillary so she seems like the way to go.
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Likability is an issue. Perhaps, though, Amy isn't as dislikable as Hillary? That might account for something.
Nate Silver
@NateSilver538\
Of the top 4 candidates going in, Warren was the only one who emerged with more voters considering her than before the debate. Note: with our polling partner
@Ipsos, we re-polled the same voters both before and after the debate, so this data is less noisy than usual.
Data in tweet: https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1172574524388167680
@NateSilver538\
Of the top 4 candidates going in, Warren was the only one who emerged with more voters considering her than before the debate. Note: with our polling partner
@Ipsos, we re-polled the same voters both before and after the debate, so this data is less noisy than usual.
Data in tweet: https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1172574524388167680
Nate Silver
@NateSilver538
Finally, Warren's favorable rating has caught up to Biden's and Sanders's while her *unfavorable* rating remains considerably lower than theirs. This is just one poll so please keep that in mind (we'll have a 2nd wave on Monday). But a pretty robustly good one for Warren so far.
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1172576081821368320
@NateSilver538
Finally, Warren's favorable rating has caught up to Biden's and Sanders's while her *unfavorable* rating remains considerably lower than theirs. This is just one poll so please keep that in mind (we'll have a 2nd wave on Monday). But a pretty robustly good one for Warren so far.
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1172576081821368320
Nate Silver
@NateSilver538
Our post debate polling is up! https://53eig.ht/2kJgEZ0 There are a variety of questions in here, but...
Clearest overall winner: Warren
Mostly good news: Buttigieg, Booker, Yang, Beto, Klobuchar
Mostly bad news: Biden, Castro, Bernie, Harris
@NateSilver538
Our post debate polling is up! https://53eig.ht/2kJgEZ0 There are a variety of questions in here, but...
Clearest overall winner: Warren
Mostly good news: Buttigieg, Booker, Yang, Beto, Klobuchar
Mostly bad news: Biden, Castro, Bernie, Harris
ren hoek
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/venanalysis/status/1172330568689704962
@SenSanders caves to @jorgeramosnews' mendacious CIA talking point, calling @NicolasMaduro a "vicious tyrant." This kind of cowardice legitimates @realDonaldTrump's ongoing coup effort & criminal sanctions that have killed at least 40k Venezuelans since 2017 according to @ceprdc
@SenSanders caves to @jorgeramosnews' mendacious CIA talking point, calling @NicolasMaduro a "vicious tyrant." This kind of cowardice legitimates @realDonaldTrump's ongoing coup effort & criminal sanctions that have killed at least 40k Venezuelans since 2017 according to @ceprdc
That one guy
Footballguy
Not snark:
What is Biden’s message, does he bring any new policy ideas? I admit to not paying much attention to him, so my limited exposure to him lately seems to be nothing more than “I was the VP for Obama and I’m not Trump”. He just feels like the male Hillary to me, supported by name recognition that won’t drive turnout on game day. I’d like to believe the “any warm body” theory against Trump, but I also get the sense a lot of Americans are simply worn down by the last 4 years will tune out if the safe choice is what is presented. Similarly, “any warm body”, if true, should push us to go for new and energetic option rather than old standard.
What is Biden’s message, does he bring any new policy ideas? I admit to not paying much attention to him, so my limited exposure to him lately seems to be nothing more than “I was the VP for Obama and I’m not Trump”. He just feels like the male Hillary to me, supported by name recognition that won’t drive turnout on game day. I’d like to believe the “any warm body” theory against Trump, but I also get the sense a lot of Americans are simply worn down by the last 4 years will tune out if the safe choice is what is presented. Similarly, “any warm body”, if true, should push us to go for new and energetic option rather than old standard.
ManOfSteelhead
Footballguy
Seems about right.
Mayor Pete is the only one of this group that I could vote for. Never thought much of Joe, but last night it appeared to me that he is obviously sliding down hill. We dont need someone with an average IQ that cant communicate effectively or think clearly; we already have one of those.
timschochet
Footballguy
I understand what you're trying to say, even if I don't necessarily agree with you.
But the real problem is when we get specific- what are these new and energetic options that we're talking about? Two have emerged above all of the others:
1. Medicare for All
2. Green New Deal
And the question is, will a candidate pushing these ideas win in the 3 states that will decide this election (Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania)? Nobody knows, but I have a bad feeling about it.
timschochet
Footballguy
I really didn't get the feeling that it was bad for Biden at all. But I guess we'll see.
That one guy
Footballguy
I believe this is one of the reasons I’m attracted to Mayor Pete*: he has policy ideas, but in my interpretation of his words he projects a pragmatism toward achieving those goals without being tied to a certain immediate or specific end result (ie: “here’s what I’d like to see happen, but I’m fully open to adjustments and incremental steps as long as improvement is happening”)
*totally gonna start selling shirts with his face on it and the caption Mayor Pete: would
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
This is Biden's response (re: his view on addressing the legacy of slavery) that contained the record player reference.Maybe that distracted me from realizing how awful the response was.
https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1172349435071881216
eta- you have to scroll down one post to the transcript; wasn't able to link it directly.
https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1172349435071881216
eta- you have to scroll down one post to the transcript; wasn't able to link it directly.
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
It strikes me as interesting that the winners were, overall, more positive and calm in the debate. The losers were angrier (Bernie yelling all the time, for example), negative and/or attacking. Biden being the exception. But he has other problems.
Jorge Ramos is not a journalist. He's an activist. It's fine if you like him, but let's not pretend he doesn't have an agenda.
Van Dyman
Footballguy
I'm not familiar with Ramos. What is his agenda? What actions has he taken to achieve item(s) on that agenda? Did he do anything inappropriate during the debate?
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
I totally agree with you about Ramos, but the same can be said for many, if not most, “journalists” today.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Ramos_(news_anchor)
From Wiki:
”Ramos has won eight Emmy Awards and the Maria Moors Cabot Prize for excellence in journalism.”
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
He’s not talking about cancelling all private health insurance. He acknowledges that we need to protect the environment and have air that you can’t see, and won’t tweet dopey stuff every 2 hours to get attention. That’s all I need.
timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
identikit
Footballguy
Watching the 2nd half of the debate tonight (fell asleep during the thing last night).
Some random/unimportant observations:
--- Warren's ears are are inordinately large for her academic head
--- Yang's Democracy Dollars---soooo cornball
--- Rotary Joe struggles to put together a complete sentence most of the time
--- Sanders needs to do a Ricola testimonial. Also, glaring and finger-pointing isn't an endearing look
--- Kamala as a stand-up comic is as horrible as her as a presidential candidate
--- Joe's closing statement was heartfelt and touching
--- Castro, Pete: Come back in 2024?
Some random/unimportant observations:
--- Warren's ears are are inordinately large for her academic head
--- Yang's Democracy Dollars---soooo cornball
--- Rotary Joe struggles to put together a complete sentence most of the time
--- Sanders needs to do a Ricola testimonial. Also, glaring and finger-pointing isn't an endearing look
--- Kamala as a stand-up comic is as horrible as her as a presidential candidate
--- Joe's closing statement was heartfelt and touching
--- Castro, Pete: Come back in 2024?
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Obviously nobody cares what she thinks. If she had any supporters she would have made the debate.
Enough of this nonsense already. Anybody who is not named Biden, Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg, or Harris needs to go away now. The voters have heard you. They’re not interested. I wish they were more interested in Klobuchar or Booker but they’re not. Time to move on. We need to get serious.
