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On 10/7/2019 at 12:56 PM, GroveDiesel said:

The NBA apparently is all for promoting activism and civil rights as long as it doesn’t get in the way of big $. Absolutely shameful. Whatever legacy Silver thought he was building himself is now destroyed IMO.

All the good he's done is absolutely ####ed unless he tells China to shove it at this point. Fans are going after Kerr/Pop for not speaking up on this but my guess is they can't or they would. Risk possible fine or even worse losing their jobs for speaking up. Like its been said the NBA like every other leagues is all about American rights and teams and players voicing them as long as it doesn't get in the way of THEIR BOTTOM LINE $$$$$$$. Think its past time to start boycotting the league frankly with this mess

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On 10/9/2019 at 12:14 PM, Juxtatarot said:

I think it's common to only allow positive, team supportive signs.  I think the same thing would have happened if the signs were "Trump/Pence 2020" or "Save Our Planet - Support the Green New Deal". 

I'm not up on my what teams allow signage wise or not but I didn't see the NFL taking signs away from fans who supported the players kneeling for Racial injustice. 

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On 10/9/2019 at 10:28 AM, wikkidpissah said:

In modern America, diversions are life. in modern China, diversions are jimmies on a cone. Totalitarian governments will shut down jimmies, cones, ice cream, dessert, dairy products, eating without a 2nd thought if it even hints at affecting the way they do business. *clears hands*

I have a friend living in China right now (School Teacher English near Hong Kong). He's a little weird but I do agree with a lot of stuff politically and he really changed my mind over the years on Israel and their government. However he wasn't able to get online the last few weeks Facebook and other socials as CHINA GOVERNMENT HAS THEM ON LOCKDOWN.They had inside country access but couldn't access anything that was outside of the country Based on pics and all where he's been China looks like a really fun place to visit however not sure I'm gonna agree with him on some of the government stuff with them. Maybe Foreigners have different rights then the actual citizens as he's literally there on a work visa. He's coming home next month so this is gonna be a hot topic when he comes home. I'm quite interested in talking in person to him about all of this and his views on it from being there. 

Overall I think the NBA just exposed what every American Sports league is. We're ok with rights as long as it doesn't effect our bottom line. Morey just exposed what many fans already knew and reasons why they left. This isn't going to make more NBA fans watch. I think you could see less fans at least for the time being before the so called "woke" people get tired of this and go on to the next thing that offends them rinse and repeat as perusal. Don't get me wrong this is a pretty big topic most of the country will blow over this story with in a few weeks (At least until the season starts maybe 3-4 weeks in it dies off) then you'll see ratings rise again. 

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11 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said:

Holy crap:

It had briefly occurred to me the other day that maybe Morey had some hidden angle in doing all of this.  Now I get it.  Backed into a corner in cap hell for the next few years with no way to create space and an owner who refuses to pay the luxury tax, how does he compete?  Reduce the cap for everyone.  But how could he affect revenue?  Put a dent in the biggest emerging market that is part of the future projection.  Other teams can't spend as much.  He tells his owner, look,  you just have a to suck it up, this is unfortunately a totally unforeseen situation.

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Dude might be smarter then we thought

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On 10/9/2019 at 7:28 AM, wikkidpissah said:

In modern America, diversions are life.

I remember telling my friend that the only industry not affected by the 2007-8 near crash of the banks was the entertainment industry. We just keep pumping diversions out, for good or ill.

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6 hours ago, rockaction said:

I remember telling my friend that the only industry not affected by the 2007-8 near crash of the banks was the entertainment industry. We just keep pumping diversions out, for good or ill.

what 2 industries have historically been recession-proof?

certain aspects of show business and our thing.

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7 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

what 2 industries have historically been recession-proof?

certain aspects of show business and our thing.

Sorry, LBL, not following what "our thing" means.

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11 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Sorry, LBL, not following what "our thing" means.

Line from the sopranos. Our thing = mob 

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i still have some skepticism of what zion can ultimately be in the nba, but my god is he quick moving around on the floor.  looks like freaking barry sanders or bo jackson from tecmo super bowl going in for rebounds.

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I like Steve Kerr, but he needs to shut up and coach. Pretty stupid comments. Just say 'no comment'. That doesn't sound half as bad as trying to defend China by attacking the United States.

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2 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said:

i still have some skepticism of what zion can ultimately be in the nba, but my god is he quick moving around on the floor.  looks like freaking barry sanders or bo jackson from tecmo super bowl going in for rebounds.

He moves well but all he does is dunk at this point and doesn't shoot outside of 15 ft. We've seen what that's done to players with no jumper. I'm still happy CHI didn't get a chance to take him because honestly he was never gonna fit their system. 

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40 minutes ago, cubd8 said:

That doesn't sound half as bad as trying to defend China by attacking the United States.

I’m sorry what? Is this the spin?  
 

and nobody should shut up and coach any more than you should shut up and do whatever it is you do for a living. 

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11 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said:

i still have some skepticism of what zion can ultimately be in the nba, but my god is he quick moving around on the floor.  looks like freaking barry sanders or bo jackson from tecmo super bowl going in for rebounds.

A modern Charles Barkley?

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9 hours ago, cubd8 said:

I like Steve Kerr, but he needs to shut up and coach. Pretty stupid comments. Just say 'no comment'. That doesn't sound half as bad as trying to defend China by attacking the United States.

eh?

This is what he said, as far as I understand: https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/1182470196834910208

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1 hour ago, Long Ball Larry said:

eh?

This is what he said, as far as I understand: https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/1182470196834910208

I assume this is what he’s talking about:

 
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Kerr was asked if during his various trips to China, the disconnect between the Warriors' interests in China and the country's human rights record has ever come up.

"It has not come up in terms of people asking about it, people discussing it," Kerr said. "Nor has our record of human rights abuses come up, either. Things that our country needs to look at and resolve. That hasn't come up either. None of us are perfect. We all have different issues we have to get to. Saying that is my right as an American. It doesn't mean that I hate my country. It means I want to address the issue. But people in China didn't ask me about, you know, people owning AR-15s and mowing each other down in a mall. I wasn't asked that question.

"We can play this game all we want and go all over the map. There's this issue and that issue. The world is a complex place, and there's more gray than black and white.

"Attacking" isn't the verb I'd use, but its more BS equivocation from him.  Also not a good look feigning ignorance on North Korea of all places in the same set of statements.

 

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16 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

He moves well but all he does is dunk at this point and doesn't shoot outside of 15 ft. We've seen what that's done to players with no jumper. I'm still happy CHI didn't get a chance to take him because honestly he was never gonna fit their system. 

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7 hours ago, thecatch said:

I assume this is what he’s talking about:

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"Attacking" isn't the verb I'd use, but its more BS equivocation from him.  Also not a good look feigning ignorance on North Korea of all places in the same set of statements.

 

Yes, these were the comments. Not a good look for Kerr; in fact, completely ignorant feeding the need to not address China, but attack the United States in his response. The first time he was asked about this, he said he needed to study Chinese history.

For such a 'woke' league, I'm going to need a handbook of which topics are acceptable for the players to discuss. 

Bad week for the league; I love the state of the league heading into the season, but this movement boomeranged right back at them this week when $$$ was at risk.

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Orlando Magic front office probably thought Hong Kong was a knockoff of King Kong. 

Waiting with baited breath for their official statement.

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LeBron says Morey was Misinformed

LeBron: "I don't want to get into a word or sentence feud with Daryl Morey, but I believe he wasn't educated on the situation at hand, and he spoke. And so many people could have been harmed, not only financially, but physically, emotionally, spiritually. So just be careful what we tweet and what we say, and what we do. Even though yes, we do have freedom of speech, but there can be a lot of negative that comes with that too."

I believe he was either misinformed or not really educated on the situation. And if he was, then so be it, but I have no idea. That's just my belief that when you say things or do things, and you know the people that can be affected by it, and the families an the individuals and everyone that can be affected by it, sometimes things can be changed. And also sometimes social media is not always the proper way to go about things as well. But that's just my belief." 

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LeBron later said on Twitter: Let me clear up the confusion. I do not believe there was any consideration for the consequences and ramifications of the tweet. I’m not discussing the substance. Others can talk About that.

 

 

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On 10/11/2019 at 10:03 PM, DJackson10 said:

He moves well but all he does is dunk at this point and doesn't shoot outside of 15 ft. We've seen what that's done to players with no jumper. I'm still happy CHI didn't get a chance to take him because honestly he was never gonna fit their system. 

amazing take.  And I'm not a Zion fan, necessarily, but come on. 

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24 minutes ago, cubd8 said:

LeBron says Morey was Misinformed

LeBron: "I don't want to get into a word or sentence feud with Daryl Morey, but I believe he wasn't educated on the situation at hand, and he spoke. And so many people could have been harmed, not only financially, but physically, emotionally, spiritually. So just be careful what we tweet and what we say, and what we do. Even though yes, we do have freedom of speech, but there can be a lot of negative that comes with that too."

I believe he was either misinformed or not really educated on the situation. And if he was, then so be it, but I have no idea. That's just my belief that when you say things or do things, and you know the people that can be affected by it, and the families an the individuals and everyone that can be affected by it, sometimes things can be changed. And also sometimes social media is not always the proper way to go about things as well. But that's just my belief." 

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LeBron later said on Twitter: Let me clear up the confusion. I do not believe there was any consideration for the consequences and ramifications of the tweet. I’m not discussing the substance. Others can talk About that.

 

 

LeBron sounds highly educated on the issue.  🙄

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I don't care about the China stuff when it comes to the NBA.  I save that for when I am in a care about people mood. As far as NBA, I don't care.  Just play. Talk or don't talk, as long as you play I'm fine. 

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Wonder what they offered Lebron to go out on this limb?  Seattle expansion team at a discount?

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1 hour ago, Frostillicus said:

 I save that for when I am in a care about people mood.

You're never in a care about people mood.

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On 10/11/2019 at 10:03 PM, DJackson10 said:

He moves well but all he does is dunk at this point and doesn't shoot outside of 15 ft. We've seen what that's done to players with no jumper. I'm still happy CHI didn't get a chance to take him because honestly he was never gonna fit their system. 

This may be the worst take in this thread since the draft.  Any franchise, coach, or system that can't incorporate an athletic freak with skills that also plays hard isn't worth much.

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40 minutes ago, trader jake said:

This may be the worst take in this thread since the draft.  Any franchise, coach, or system that can't incorporate an athletic freak with skills that also plays hard isn't worth much.

You are worthless in todays NBA unless you are able to get a jump shot. It's all about being able to shoot.  Look at the bigs who are basically defensive bench guys now. Heck a guy like Okafor is probably better in SHAQ's NBA of bigs then today 

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17 minutes ago, DJackson10 said:

You are worthless in todays NBA unless you are able to get a jump shot. It's all about being able to shoot.  Look at the bigs who are basically defensive bench guys now. Heck a guy like Okafor is probably better in SHAQ's NBA of bigs then today 

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5 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

You are worthless in todays NBA unless you are able to get a jump shot. It's all about being able to shoot.  Look at the bigs who are basically defensive bench guys now. Heck a guy like Okafor is probably better in SHAQ's NBA of bigs then today 

Giannis won MVP last year.  Zion will be just fine.

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Lolz...just quit digging.   Protestors getting shot in the face had a "difficult week" too, coward-guy.
 

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LeBron James

@KingJames

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My team and this league just went through a difficult week. I think people need to understand what a tweet or statement can do to others. And I believe nobody stopped and considered what would happen. Could have waited a week to send it.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Hugh Jass said:

Lolz...just quit digging.   Protestors getting shot in the face had a "difficult week" too, coward-guy.
 

I thought this was the worst part:

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Yes, we do all have freedom of speech,” James said. “But at times there are ramifications for the negative that can happen when you’re not thinking about others and you’re thinking about yourself.”

Asked why he felt Morey had been ill-informed on the subject, James said: “That’s just my belief. I don’t know. That’s my belief. That’s all I can say. I believe he was misinformed or not really educated on the situation. And if he was, then so be it.”

Maybe LeBron Zedong is misinformed about Morey being misinformed because he's not really educated on what freedom of speech is or who does or does not have it in this situation?

I had enough reasons to hate him already, but this is bigger than LeBron poo-pooing the First Amendment to sell more sneakers. I'm looking at you, too, Steve Kerr.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, after decades trying to convince the rest of the world that American freedom and democracy were the true "enemy of the people", I naively assumed that that narrative had died along with them, but now the idea that the founding freedoms enumerated in the Bill of Rights might not be all that great after all is becoming an American narrative which is profoundly disturbing. It's become increasingly pervasive on both the left and the right, and now it's being parroted by celebrities.

I guess I should have written that this should be disturbing, but it's not really, as long as entertainment is on the line.

Shut up and play basketball

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13 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

You are worthless in todays NBA unless you are able to get a jump shot. It's all about being able to shoot.  Look at the bigs who are basically defensive bench guys now. Heck a guy like Okafor is probably better in SHAQ's NBA of bigs then today 

well, either wicked jump shot or slinging crack rock.

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4 hours ago, bananafish said:

I thought this was the worst part:

Maybe LeBron Zedong is misinformed about Morey being misinformed because he's not really educated on what freedom of speech is or who does or does not have it in this situation?

I had enough reasons to hate him already, but this is bigger than LeBron poo-pooing the First Amendment to sell more sneakers. I'm looking at you, too, Steve Kerr.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, after decades trying to convince the rest of the world that American freedom and democracy were the true "enemy of the people", I naively assumed that that narrative had died along with them, but now the idea that the founding freedoms enumerated in the Bill of Rights might not be all that great after all is becoming an American narrative which is profoundly disturbing. It's become increasingly pervasive on both the left and the right, and now it's being parroted by celebrities.

I guess I should have written that this should be disturbing, but it's not really, as long as entertainment is on the line.

Shut up and play basketball

Could you imagine if Lebron had said this about the Black Lives Matter protests? If he said it about Kaep getting run out of the NFL?

Incredibly tone deaf for a guy who opened the ESPY's with a political statement.

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This last 8 years or so have been a real great time to be a Lakers fan. :mellow:

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17 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

Did I just hear that Beal signed an extension?

:thumbup:

I've lived here pretty much all my life and even I can't really understand his thought process on this one. But I'm happy. He's a great guy, easy to root for, and having him around will make the next two seasons of Wiz basketball at least slightly more palatable ... although it may cost the Wiz a few proverbial ping pong balls.

Hopefully he'll swing by Nats Park next week and pitch Anthony Rendon on the merits of staying in the area.

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14 minutes ago, thecatch said:

Question for the crowd here: what would you pay Buddy Hield as a free agent?

unless he takes another step (and that's something i find him entirely capable of) i couldnt pay Buddy anywhere near what he wants. just as franchises bore the burden, in the last couple years, of those Deng/Mozgov contracts from the year the cap exploded, soon teams will be suffering the $20mil players they payed $35mil to keep as badly as the 40%-to-John-Wall ones

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22 minutes ago, thecatch said:

Question for the crowd here: what would you pay Buddy Hield as a free agent?

He's worth $15-$25MM/year depending on team needs, cap space, etc.

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2 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said:

Did I just hear that Beal signed an extension?

i'd really like to see the Wiz try to send Wall out to OKC for Paul now that that's settled. Maybe JW will lose the ol' baggage & see the wisdom in caring about others if a boonies team builds around him and Wash has some nice young players in Bryant, Troy Brown & Hachimura, maybe Wags as stretch4, to give yield to Paul/Beal as a backcourt duo

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17 minutes ago, Premier said:

Hield will get 110 from somebody. Weak free agency class. 

I feel equally comfortable making the pro and con arguments on the merits of signing him for that money, but I'm skeptical he'll get that level of interest as a restricted free agent.  Many of the teams traditionally aggressive in RFA don't have cap space last year, and Hield's age makes signing him kind of a win-now move that younger rebuilding teams (e.g., the Hawks) may not want to make.

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On a side note, Carsen Edwards went bananas in a pre-season game hitting 7/8 threes in under 6 minutes of play during the 3rd quarter against the Cavs.

I think he'll be a Lou Williams type of player...dude can fill it up in a hurry.  Can't wait for the season to start.

Go C's!!!

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51 minutes ago, thecatch said:

I feel equally comfortable making the pro and con arguments on the merits of signing him for that money, but I'm skeptical he'll get that level of interest as a restricted free agent.  Many of the teams traditionally aggressive in RFA don't have cap space last year, and Hield's age makes signing him kind of a win-now move that younger rebuilding teams (e.g., the Hawks) may not want to make.

Pels could sign him back...

Atlanta seems like they would be interested, though if they want Huerter to start, I'm not sure how to make that work defensively.

Grizzlies could make sense.  Their frontline defense should be strong and Hield is good enough as a 2 guard to cover up Ja, I think.

Even though both of them are re-building, I'm not sure how long those re-builds necessarily have to be with the pieces that they already have in place, especially ATL.  Hield is not so old that he wouldn't still be a very viable player in 2 years anyway.

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19 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

Pels could sign him back...

Atlanta seems like they would be interested, though if they want Huerter to start, I'm not sure how to make that work defensively.

Grizzlies could make sense.  Their frontline defense should be strong and Hield is good enough as a 2 guard to cover up Ja, I think.

Even though both of them are re-building, I'm not sure how long those re-builds necessarily have to be with the pieces that they already have in place, especially ATL.  Hield is not so old that he wouldn't still be a very viable player in 2 years anyway.

I'm not sure how ATL feels about Huerter, but he seems like he's at least a reasonable facsimile of Hield while being much younger and cheaper.  

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1 hour ago, Jayrod said:

On a side note, Carsen Edwards went bananas in a pre-season game hitting 7/8 threes in under 6 minutes of play during the 3rd quarter against the Cavs.

I think he'll be a Lou Williams type of player...dude can fill it up in a hurry.  Can't wait for the season to start.

Go C's!!!

Bothers me that he's played the 2 every time he's been in. Hiding him on D is gonna be tough unless he's the point. May even be shorter than IT4

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Nate Duncan starting a new podcast with John hollinger.  Sounds pretty fly.  Great to have him and Seth partnow back in the public sphere.  The duncd on with bill bishop of sinocism was also super interesting discussing the more more macro issues with china.

still can’t fully wrap my head around the Beal extension.  Seems like a such an unusual situation all around.  Mitigates some risk for him, but also gets him most of what he could have gotten and still puts him in line for a 10 year max.  But now he is kind of stuck on a crap team, though maybe it makes him a more attractive trade piece next offseason and the wiz said something to that effect.  I guess it gives the wiz a chance to keep him forever but still some optionality.  Still just a very odd convergence of circumstances.

and no way is Carsen Edwards shorter than IT.  

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