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17 minutes ago, Daywalker said:

I wouldnt want to pay green the max after next season.  His value is very high right now.  Lots of teams have cap space as well.

Resign klay and durant then trade green for mulitiple pieces.  Next year is lost anyway.

Curry is under contract.  He will survive.

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Savvy move by the Kings to get Barnes to opt out. Now they can easily clear double max cap space, so Kawhi can pick another player to bring with him. 

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8 minutes ago, Daywalker said:

3/50 is the floor I would think.

2 yrs from now, missing treys on the LeBrow squad for the vet min will be his ceiling

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I think Harrison Barnes was my first thread title. I remember being shocked he was on the Olympic Team. Something like “Olympic team forgets Harrison Barnes at airport” or something 

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22 minutes ago, Capella said:

I think Harrison Barnes was my first thread title. I remember being shocked he was on the Olympic Team. Something like “Olympic team forgets Harrison Barnes at airport” or something 

I'm sitting in a stall at work giggling like an idiot at this.

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32 minutes ago, thecatch said:

Savvy move by the Kings to get Barnes to opt out. Now they can easily clear double max cap space, so Kawhi can pick another player to bring with him. 

Do you think they will re-sign him? 

I’d love them to go after Bogdanovic.  One can never had too many Bogdanovics on a team.

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45 minutes ago, Good Posting Judge said:

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As opposed to paying green the max for his 30-35 age seasons when u can get a haul for him now and save 50+ million in luxury tax a year?

 

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5 minutes ago, Daywalker said:

As opposed to paying green the max for his 30-35 age seasons when u can get a haul for him now and save 50+ million in luxury tax a year?

 

I really don't think there would be much of a market for him, and getting a "haul" would be difficult.  Green is an elite role player, but not a player to build an offense around.  I don't think he'd function well on a team not ready to contend, and I don't think a team trying to build a contender, but not ready to contend, would want to risk taking him on.  So you're looking at a contender who can absorb his contract, but still return a haul for GS?  I don't see what those situations would be.

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18 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

Do you think they will re-sign him? 

I’d love them to go after Bogdanovic.  One can never had too many Bogdanovics on a team.

Reunite the brothers!  I think they could be a more devastating tandem than the Curry's if given the opportunity.

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16 minutes ago, Daywalker said:

As opposed to paying green the max for his 30-35 age seasons when u can get a haul for him now and save 50+ million in luxury tax a year?

 

A haul for one year? What would you expect?

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22 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

Do you think they will re-sign him? 

I’d love them to go after Bogdanovic.  One can never had too many Bogdanovics on a team.

Let's just have a team of Bogdos & Reddicks & Plumlees & Graysons & Nurkics & Jokics & Icicics and all the other plucky ofays chasing jukesters around and above the floor. Boston could host...

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1 hour ago, Anarchy99 said:

Is it really Ainge's fault that no true superstar wants to play in Boston? They have not been able to get a marquee player sign as a free agent, and any top tier player has indicated he wouldn't re-sign there if acquired by trade. Bottom line, in today's NBA you can't win without a Top 5-ish player and the Celtics can't get one.

Most recently, what good would it have done if they traded say Tatum, Brown, Smart and 3 first round picks to the Pelicans for Davis? It's doubtful Kyrie would have stuck around. They wouldn't have won anything, AD wouldn't have stayed, and they would have to start completely over next year. Who knows, maybe that is better than being stuck in no man's land, but in this case I don't really think Ainge should have pulled the trigger on Davis.

The real killer for Boston was signing Horford and Hayward to max deals, as neither one was really worthy of that kind of money. Hayward getting hurt didn't help any.

Lots of teams don't have Top 5 players, so most of the league is in the same boat. Realistically, how many teams have a legit chance to win?

well I would hardly say OKC, Toronto, or Philly were top spots for marquee players either, but all went out and got some. Celtics had more assets than any team in the NBA for a bit, so saying they couldn't go out and get anybody isn't really the case (except for the stipulation with trading for Davis mid-season this season). Agreed that paying as much as the Lakers paid for Davis wouldn't make sense, but it seems too much of a trend with available players and the Celtics. they get mentioned by national media as possible landing spots, than after another team gets the player the media around the team make excuses why they couldn't get this player.

the excuse last summer was 2-fold. One they weren't willing to give up Jaylon Brown in a trade for Kawhi, and the other was that they were saving up their assets for Davis. I can see making these choices based on team evaluations etc, and things always look better in hindsight, but this has been a trend with Boston for 3-4 years. I just think they held on to too many assets for too long and most of them have lost value. and it is just strange that a good portion of the fanbase seems to take the Boston front office word at all of these things and doesn't question more. Celtics seem like they could have easily acquired a guy like Jimmy Butler, or Cousins last year, or half a dozen others.

ETA: I just think the front office should be questioned more. they had a better opportunity than almost any team in the league to make improvements and get to a higher tier, and they seem to just have wasted it all away by being too conservative. Maybe all of the role guys they have can make big leaps and the team turns out fine, I just think it looks like a lost opportunity when they got such great trade returns from the Nets

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27 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

Do you think they will re-sign him? 

I’d love them to go after Bogdanovic.  One can never had too many Bogdanovics on a team.

Yeah, Barnes has been doing offseason stuff with the team so I don’t think he’s dying to leave. It’s more a question of how bad an overpay will it be. The other Bogdanovic would be a really good fit actually, but I think he’ll have a lot of suitors. 

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The Millertyme schtick is getting annoying.

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1 hour ago, Anarchy99 said:

Most likely next year won't be great for GSW, but the recovery time for KD and Klay should be around 9 months (at least that's what the time frame has been for other players getting back on the court with similar injuries).

Theoretically, they might be able to come back with 20-25 games left in the regular season. Last year it took 48 wins to make the playoffs in the West . . . could the Warriors win that many next year with 3/4 of their games with Curry - Green - and ??? (This obviously would mean KD sticks around, which is far from a given.) Certainly no one would fault KD for taking his sweet time coming back, seeing how it went when he tried to rush back.

IIRC a ruptured achilles is more like 11-12+ months and not 9.  And even then he still wouldn't be 100%.

Every knee injury is different, but multiple ligaments almost always means more than 9 months.  And like Durant, he wouldn't be 100% either.

They'd be smart to prepare as if neither will be back next year.  Definitely not with 20-25 games left.  And probably shouldn't consider either possibility until near the trade deadline.  If they're in the hunt and both have made it to the point on/ahead of schedule with their rehabs it may be a worthwhile conversation then, but not anytime prior.

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Just now, MAC_32 said:

IIRC a ruptured achilles is more like 11-12+ months and not 9.  And even then he still wouldn't be 100%.

Every knee injury is different, but multiple ligaments almost always means more than 9 months.  And like Durant, he wouldn't be 100% either.

They'd be smart to prepare as if neither will be back next year.  Definitely not with 20-25 games left.  And probably shouldn't consider either possibility until near the trade deadline.  If they're in the hunt and both have made it to the point on/ahead of schedule with their rehabs it may be a worthwhile conversation then, but not anytime prior.

Just citing the Achilles info that was circulating last week. The media reports had a chart showing the average post Achilles recovery time to get a player back on the court at 272 days. Maybe that was for a partial tear, who knows. As you said, probably unlikely, but theoretically they might be able to get them back for the post season if they could somehow find a way to sneak into the playoffs. But KD could easily leave as a free agent in a few weeks, so he may be recovering for a different team.

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2 hours ago, Jayrod said:

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Holy carp, please let this happen.  I would love to see that....in a borough no less.

July 1 headline: Jimmy Butler and Kyrie Irving team up in Brooklyn to bring an NBA title to New York!

July 3 headline: Brooklyn Nets reportedly hold players-only meeting as locker room discord continues to grow

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How the F did they get Barnes to opt out??? Couldn't believe they took on Barnes via trade for this very reason. 

They've now got the best talent-cap situation in the league. All 3 of Fox/MB3/Hield/Giles are under their rookie deals and Bogdanovic/Bjelica are under team friendly contracts.

Nothing against the Clips situation, but it pales in comparison to the Kings for premier free agents

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1 minute ago, caustic said:

July 1 headline: Jimmy Butler and Kyrie Irving team up in Brooklyn to bring an NBA title to New York!

July 3 headline: Brooklyn Nets reportedly hold players-only meeting as locker room discord continues to grow

I know people would like to joke about it but that team would be a serious contender.

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glad to see Hassan Whiteside opted back into his contract. I think he is making $28 million or something for next year. Wish the Sixers would have held onto that unprotected Miami pick

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Just now, Juxtatarot said:
4 minutes ago, caustic said:

July 1 headline: Jimmy Butler and Kyrie Irving team up in Brooklyn to bring an NBA title to New York!

July 3 headline: Brooklyn Nets reportedly hold players-only meeting as locker room discord continues to grow

I know people would like to joke about it but that team would be a serious contender seriously entertaining.

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9 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

How the F did they get Barnes to opt out??? Couldn't believe they took on Barnes via trade for this very reason. 

They've now got the best talent-cap situation in the league. All 3 of Fox/MB3/Hield/Giles are under their rookie deals and Bogdanovic/Bjelica are under team friendly contracts.

Nothing against the Clips situation, but it pales in comparison to the Kings for premier free agents

with the amount of money out there, some middling guys are likely to get overpaid, no?  opting out seems to make sense, unless he wanted to risk being one of the best FAs next offseason.

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9 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

How the F did they get Barnes to opt out??? Couldn't believe they took on Barnes via trade for this very reason. 

They've now got the best talent-cap situation in the league. All 3 of Fox/MB3/Hield/Giles are under their rookie deals and Bogdanovic/Bjelica are under team friendly contracts.

Nothing against the Clips situation, but it pales in comparison to the Kings for premier free agents

Would love it if players looked at it like this, but obviously the allure of the Clippers isnt necessarily playing with SGA. 

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14 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

How the F did they get Barnes to opt out??? Couldn't believe they took on Barnes via trade for this very reason. 

They've now got the best talent-cap situation in the league. All 3 of Fox/MB3/Hield/Giles are under their rookie deals and Bogdanovic/Bjelica are under team friendly contracts.

Nothing against the Clips situation, but it pales in comparison to the Kings for premier free agents

I have to say that I really enjoyed watching the Kings this year and they are on my short list of teams to root for outside of Boston.  Love the Fox and Hield tandem.  Hoping they take another step forward this next season and end up a playoff team.

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Chris Paul reportedly met with Rockets' management and demanded a trade.

CP3's relationship with James Harden has reportedly become "unsalvageable," and things came to a head after the Rockets' Game 6 loss to the Warriors in the Western Conference Finals. After exchanging words with CP3 following the loss, Harden reportedly gave management a "him or me" ultimatum, and the two haven't spoken since. Paul can still fill it up, but he's had a tough time staying healthy through his 30s, and it won't necessarily be easy to move him due to his massive contract.

SOURCE: Yahoo! Sports

Jun 18, 2019, 4:29 PM ET

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Frostillicus said:

Wolves twitter saying both that the Wolves are trying to trade up to pick #4, and shopping Wiggins.  I'd take one or the other.

Yesterday Woj got a call in the middle of his periscope stream and was quietly mentioning the name of the TWolves’ GM to whomever was on the other end... :tinfoilhat:

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7 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

 

 

This news will make the State Farm ads funny to watch.

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6 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

Chris Paul reportedly met with Rockets' management and demanded a trade.

CP3's relationship with James Harden has reportedly become "unsalvageable," and things came to a head after the Rockets' Game 6 loss to the Warriors in the Western Conference Finals. After exchanging words with CP3 following the loss, Harden reportedly gave management a "him or me" ultimatum, and the two haven't spoken since. Paul can still fill it up, but he's had a tough time staying healthy through his 30s, and it won't necessarily be easy to move him due to his massive contract.

SOURCE: Yahoo! Sports

Jun 18, 2019, 4:29 PM ET

 

 

That State Farm Agent really tore these two apart.   The kitchen fire was probably the event that led to the demise.

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Darius Garland will conduct a last-minute workout in Tarrytown with the New York Knicks tomorrow, a source told ESPN. Garland is in serious consideration for the No. 3 pick. Minnesota, Boston, Chicago are teams looking at potentially trading up to No. 4 with Garland in mind.

11:19 AM · Jun 18, 2019

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22 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

Chris Paul reportedly met with Rockets' management and demanded a trade.

CP3's relationship with James Harden has reportedly become "unsalvageable," and things came to a head after the Rockets' Game 6 loss to the Warriors in the Western Conference Finals. After exchanging words with CP3 following the loss, Harden reportedly gave management a "him or me" ultimatum, and the two haven't spoken since. Paul can still fill it up, but he's had a tough time staying healthy through his 30s, and it won't necessarily be easy to move him due to his massive contract.

SOURCE: Yahoo! Sports

Jun 18, 2019, 4:29 PM ET

The Yahoo article mentions that at one point during the season, the two didn’t talk to each other for 2 months? :lmao: Incredible.

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1 minute ago, Capella said:

Reminder that Chris Paul is set to make 40M a year soon. 

You’re up in the mock.

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Man that Paul contract is so hard to move. Best days far behind him and still 3 years left. Really almost have to treat him as a FA in trade talks (get back for instance a 2020+ 2nd rounder from a team that misses out on free agents). Even teams with some really bad contracts (that end sooner) are gonna turn getting him down. Even teams currently desperate for PG help going to turn getting him down. (Lot of options in draft and FA)

The only potential deals I see outside the above scenario is something like:

Paul + Capella for Jackson + Drummond    (Blake connection and Pistons not going anywhere as constructed anyway)

Paul for Hayward+

Paul for the littany of Charlotte Hornet overpaid trash (but then why would either side want that marriage)

Paul for Teague-Dieng 

And I don't know why MN/Charlotte would do those deals but the options are so few. I'm almost wondering if dealing Harden that's going to bring back a ton in return wouldn't be the better move.

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2 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

Man that Paul contract is so hard to move. Best days far behind him and still 3 years left. Really almost have to treat him as a FA in trade talks (get back for instance a 2020+ 2nd rounder from a team that misses out on free agents). Even teams with some really bad contracts (that end sooner) are gonna turn getting him down. Even teams currently desperate for PG help going to turn getting him down. (Lot of options in draft and FA)

The only potential deals I see outside the above scenario is something like:

Paul + Capella for Jackson + Drummond    (Blake connection and Pistons not going anywhere as constructed anyway)

Paul for Hayward+

Paul for the littany of Charlotte Hornet overpaid trash (but then why would either side want that marriage)

Paul for Teague-Dieng 

And I don't know why MN/Charlotte would do those deals but the options are so few. I'm almost wondering if dealing Harden that's going to bring back a ton in return wouldn't be the better move.

yeah, poor Morey. To be honest, the only team I think that would be open to taking Paul in is the LAL. Really will be interesting to see how they can move that contract, and if it gives any team pause this off-season as they are offering max contracts all around

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10 minutes ago, Capella said:

Reminder that Chris Paul is set to make 40M a year soon. 

because he went into Morey's office a yr ago this time and demanded the max he "deserved" for delaying free agency a year before to make the Clippers deal possible. Morey had apparently made a promise of that sort and stoopitly kept it. CP3 gets my shutyoyap award for the season upcoming for making himself untradeable & demanding a trade

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9 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

Man that Paul contract is so hard to move. Best days far behind him and still 3 years left. Really almost have to treat him as a FA in trade talks (get back for instance a 2020+ 2nd rounder from a team that misses out on free agents). Even teams with some really bad contracts (that end sooner) are gonna turn getting him down. Even teams currently desperate for PG help going to turn getting him down. (Lot of options in draft and FA)

The only potential deals I see outside the above scenario is something like:

Paul + Capella for Jackson + Drummond    (Blake connection and Pistons not going anywhere as constructed anyway)

Paul for Hayward+

Paul for the littany of Charlotte Hornet overpaid trash (but then why would either side want that marriage)

Paul for Teague-Dieng 

And I don't know why MN/Charlotte would do those deals but the options are so few. I'm almost wondering if dealing Harden that's going to bring back a ton in return wouldn't be the better move.

All the above aside, the Knicks seem like the perfect fit.

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13 minutes ago, modogg said:

yeah, poor Morey. To be honest, the only team I think that would be open to taking Paul in is the LAL. Really will be interesting to see how they can move that contract, and if it gives any team pause this off-season as they are offering max contracts all around

Unfortunately for all of us, Lakers won’t be able to make the money work.

Edit: Unless LeBron gives up and trades himself to the Rockets.

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What are odds that Paul could be placed on waivers?  Wouldn't he have to agree to that somehow?

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10 minutes ago, Jayrod said:

What are odds that Paul could be placed on waivers?  Wouldn't he have to agree to that somehow?

He would not have to agree. 

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Also, how is Chris Paul such an ###hole everywhere he's ever been, and clashed with so many teammates, and this dude represents the player's union? I never understood that.

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7 hours ago, TobiasFunke said:

"Everyone else liked those guys too" is a terrible defense to draft day decisions. The whole point of a front office is that you research the players, figure out who is overrated, who is underrated, who fits your scheme, etc and then adjust your strategy accordingly. Otherwise why bother having workouts and scouts? Teams can just draft whoever ESPN or some other mock draft tells you is the best remaining player.

 

Ingram and Ball were not "ESPN" mock draft picks.   They were both consensus picks to go very early in the draft.  Had either of them fallen a few spots in the draft--the vast majority of NBA teams would have absolutely taken them or traded up to have gotten them.   Both of those guys possess basketball intangibles that teams value when they draft. Both are tall and quick for their positions, both have court vision, both have length, both are very good defenders, both have solid handles for their positions--both just had definicies in shooting.  With practice---players can absolutely learn to shoot better. You cannot teach court vision, length and the heart to be a great defender.  People like clowning those picks because it was the Lakers that made them.  Ignoring that fact is intellectually dishonest.  The person who made the statement clowning the Lakers for making those pics is a Nuggets fan.  Funny how he didn't mention the Nuggets picking Mudiaye over guys like Devin Booker and Myles Turner.   It's convenient to clown a team when thats what the bandwagon wants to do.   

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