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On ‎7‎/‎31‎/‎2019 at 9:27 AM, Jayrod said:

NBA Playoff odds are out.

Is there a safer return on investment than 10% that the Celtics make the playoffs?  The only way that team doesn't make the playoffs is if they lose half the team in a plane crash or some kind of plague like illness.  There isn't a single combo of players that is so crucial to their success that they wouldn't make the playoffs without them.  Even with multiple season ending injuries, I don't see any way they don't at least land the 8 seed.  I think they are a massive longshot to even make it to the ECF, but to not finish in the top half of the East would take an act of God.

I see @modogg placed a $100K wager for his 76ers to make the playoffs.  Long time to hold all that cash.

 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, dino259 said:

I see @modogg placed a $100K wager for his 76ers to make the playoffs.  Long time to hold all that cash.

 

And for a 2.5% return (over what...like 9 months?).  You'd be better off paying down your mortgage with that.

That's why I floated the Celtics.  I feel like they are just as much of a sure thing, but with a 10% return over the same time period.

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On 7/23/2019 at 10:15 AM, Long Ball Larry said:

Looks like the Wizards are really trying to modernize (and monetize) their operations.

And now have hired dean oliver

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On 8/1/2019 at 11:00 AM, dino259 said:

I see @modogg placed a $100K wager for his 76ers to make the playoffs.  Long time to hold all that cash.

 

 

 

:IBTL:think i'll plop down all reserve cash available

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Wow, draymond signs extension for 4/100.  I am pretty surprised that he would do that.

with him off the market, restricted free agency is going to be even more interesting next year (and that should make these upcoming rookie extensions interesting as well.  Doubt these players are willing to leave anything on the table in an extension.)

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On 7/31/2019 at 12:48 AM, Good Posting Judge said:

I beg your pardon?

My son is only about an inch shorter than Zion. He’s had several monster jams in actual games, including dunks over defenders  

In pick up games or horsing around in a gym,  he’s had some highlight reel dunks, including a 360 two handed dunk from just inside the free throw line where he brings the ball to his knees and then back over his head. Ten foot rims.

The point was not that he is anywhere near Zion’s level, but through the wonders of video editing he could LOOK like Zion in a highlight montage. 

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4 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said:

Wow, draymond signs extension for 4/100.  I am pretty surprised that he would do that.

with him off the market, restricted free agency is going to be even more interesting next year (and that should make these upcoming rookie extensions interesting as well.  Doubt these players are willing to leave anything on the table in an extension.)

Another random thought.  Surprising that he just signed with rich Paul and that then Paul goes ahead with the extension.  It would sort of make me wonder about which of Paul’s other clients could benefit from green being off the market.  Maybe Marcus Morris, Montrezl Harrell and to a lesser extent dejounte murray, and maybe just maybe AD?  It would seem weird for Davis to engineer his way out of New Orleans just to opt out and go to atl, cle, cha, tor or mem, though I’m sure there are teams who could or would make the room if it meant getting ad.

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3 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said:

Another random thought.  Surprising that he just signed with rich Paul and that then Paul goes ahead with the extension.  It would sort of make me wonder about which of Paul’s other clients could benefit from green being off the market.  Maybe Marcus Morris, Montrezl Harrell and to a lesser extent dejounte murray, and maybe just maybe AD?  It would seem weird for Davis to engineer his way out of New Orleans just to opt out and go to atl, cle, cha, tor or mem, though I’m sure there are teams who could or would make the room if it meant getting ad.

Yeah, it's a good to great deal for the Warriors but would have been an overpay for any other team. He was never going to get the max, but it sure seems like he would have had the leverage to get more. Not using it doesn't fit the character of him or Klutch. Odd.

He's my favorite player because of his one-of-a-kind game, but I'm a fan of his in spite of the antics, not because of them. I'm really glad we don't have to go through another year of contract drama, especially with him and his personality talking about it every day. 

I think the Steph/Klay/Dray trio is the longest tenured in the league and all were drafted by the team. That's pretty cool. 

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Seems to be an unpopular opinion, but I think the Russell deal was bad and I think most of that Green deal will be too.  :shrug:

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1 hour ago, thecatch said:

Seems to be an unpopular opinion, but I think the Russell deal was bad and I think most of that Green deal will be too.  :shrug:

Who thinks the Russell deal was good?  

I think the dray deal is pretty good for gsw.  Assuming he stays committed to being in better shape, he will only be like 20% or less of the cap and that is solid.  Horford just got basically the same deal (in terms of guaranteed $$) and he is 4 years older.  I think they are somewhat similar in terms of their uniqueness and ability to fit in so many different schemes.

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Love that move from Draymond. Oddly enough I think those three feel like they have a lot to prove. Sign the extension, get it over with, no questions during the season. They're gonna win it all this year 

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1 hour ago, Long Ball Larry said:

Who thinks the Russell deal was good?  

I think the dray deal is pretty good for gsw.  Assuming he stays committed to being in better shape, he will only be like 20% or less of the cap and that is solid.  Horford just got basically the same deal (in terms of guaranteed $$) and he is 4 years older.  I think they are somewhat similar in terms of their uniqueness and ability to fit in so many different schemes.

I don’t know, Green is much more of an offensive liability than Horford. In a year or two I suspect Green will be someone who has to pick his spots because he won’t have the athleticism to crank it up on defense all the time. 

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11 hours ago, thecatch said:

I don’t know, Green is much more of an offensive liability than Horford. In a year or two I suspect Green will be someone who has to pick his spots because he won’t have the athleticism to crank it up on defense all the time. 

That is an exact description of his year last year.

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On 8/3/2019 at 7:33 PM, Long Ball Larry said:

Who thinks the Russell deal was good? 

I'm good with it. He's young, and the Warriors are obviously extremely hamstrung in their ability to get quality players. And with Curry making big money for the next three years, I think they have to keep pushing chips into the middle of the table. Extend Green, max out Thompson even if he's going to miss most of this year, etc. etc.

It's not a perfect fit on the court, but Russell's a creative player, and letting him operate with Curry and Thompson running around/off screens is pure havoc. Or using Russell as a release valve when Curry gets mobbed. Or maybe it'll be a disaster, or maybe he'll get flipped. But yeah, all in.

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31 minutes ago, Good Posting Judge said:

I'm good with it. He's young, and the Warriors are obviously extremely hamstrung in their ability to get quality players. And with Curry making big money for the next three years, I think they have to keep pushing chips into the middle of the table. Extend Green, max out Thompson even if he's going to miss most of this year, etc. etc.

It's not a perfect fit on the court, but Russell's a creative player, and letting him operate with Curry and Thompson running around/off screens is pure havoc. Or using Russell as a release valve when Curry gets mobbed. Or maybe it'll be a disaster, or maybe he'll get flipped. But yeah, all in.

I agree. With no conventional way to add talent and considering what might have been, this could end up being Myers' most impressive off-season as GM since '12-'13 and maybe ever, simply from a skill, make-something-from-nothing point of view. 

I think we're also in store for am impressive coaching job from Kerr. I'm sure he's excited to do more teaching and development rather than ego management all year. This will be an interesting season that's for sure. 

 

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7 hours ago, bananafish said:

I agree. With no conventional way to add talent and considering what might have been, this could end up being Myers' most impressive off-season as GM since '12-'13 and maybe ever, simply from a skill, make-something-from-nothing point of view. 

I think we're also in store for am impressive coaching job from Kerr. I'm sure he's excited to do more teaching and development rather than ego management all year. This will be an interesting season that's for sure. 

 

twas a very Belichickian offseason. two fellas with million-dollar talent and 10-cent heads in DAR & WCS and a kid from a winning program who gained his freshman fifteen (fifty?) not fitting in in Atl. let the culture show them how little actual difference there is between StarBall & team ball. i like it very much, esp if KT comes back by ASB and can handle being the low wing ala KD

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Lonzo Ball's girlfriend is incredible.   You probably all already knew that but some of us are a little late to the player wife/girlfriend party.

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5 minutes ago, modogg said:

man, this one hurts the heart:

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-de-marcus-cousins-suffers-possible-knee-injury-working-out-151634896.html

Boogie just can't get any breaks (or he gets too many breaks/tears). no idea where he goes from here

This bums me out.  At least until he signed with the Lakers, I'd been hoping he'd mature and get healthy, and we'd get to see the best version of him as a player over the next couple years.  With Achilles and ACL tears, and his body type, he may struggle just to stay in a rotation going forward.

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Arg. Is this where James talks Haslem out of retirement? Or will the Lakers ride the Jonathan Williams train...

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7 hours ago, Gr00vus said:

Arg. Is this where James talks Haslem out of retirement? Or will the Lakers ride the Jonathan Williams train...

haslem re-upped with the heat.  heater 4 life.

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7 hours ago, Gr00vus said:

Arg. Is this where James talks Haslem out of retirement? Or will the Lakers ride the Jonathan Williams train...

JaVale McGee for MVP.

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9 hours ago, Gr00vus said:

Arg. Is this where James talks Haslem out of retirement? Or will the Lakers ride the Jonathan Williams train...

Sucks bad for Cousins.  Luckily for Lakers fans Omar Asik is available.

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Seems super smart that they are waiting off on starting this World Cup until college football and the nfl starts. Way smarter than running it in the dead of summer with nothing going on. 

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6 minutes ago, Capella said:

Seems super smart that they are waiting off on starting this World Cup until college football and the nfl starts. Way smarter than running it in the dead of summer with nothing going on. 

The what?

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1 minute ago, Capella said:

They call it the World Cup now. 

I'm cool with Soccer every 4 years.

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3 minutes ago, Insein said:

I'm cool with Soccer every 4 years.

I am certain many will not be watching. 

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2 minutes ago, Capella said:

The championship game goes right up against week 2 of the nfl. Smart. 

Maybe they were trying to hide it.

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14 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said:

haslem re-upped with the heat.  heater 4 life.

Uh, Greg Monroe?

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Joakim Noah seems the best of the over-the-hill, still available, center class.  Of course, he’d have to answer questions to explain calling LeBron and company “Hollywood as hell”.

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Woj tweeted that the Lakers are going to work out Howard, Speights and Noah. Maybe Gortat also.

I look forward to seeing how one of those guys, Davis, James and Kuzma defend perimeter shooters. The Lakers could give up the most 3 pointers of all time.

:championship:

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Another video of Simmons hitting jumpers in pickup. Nothing earthshaking and he certainly won’t be stef curry, but I think teams will not be able to totally ignore his shot this season from midrange at least. 3s tbd. 

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Billy King was on The Rights to Ricky Sanchez this past weekend and had a few interesting nuggets which perhaps are well-known, but I have not been paying attention to him:

-The KG/Pierce deal with the Celtics was done with the idea that they would basically have a 2-year window with those guys, and then would spend in FA and/or whatever they needed to do financially.  Then Russia invaded Ukraine, Russians got hit with sanctions, and Prokhorov's appetite/ability to spend was significantly hampered, thereby torpedoing the plan.

-When King was with the Sixers, he talked with Pat Croce and/or Ed Snider every day and had a running dialogue about all the things that he was thinking about the team, so the decision-making process was easy and straight-forward.  Prokhorov on the other hand spent most of his time in Moscow and had no cell phone and no e-mail.  Anything that King needed communicated would go through Prokhorov's right-hand man, Dmitri.  King never really knew exactly what Dmitri said to Prokohorov and/or what his thought process was with anything.  They only had 1 face-to-face meeting in 5 and a half years: the day that Prokorov fired him.

-His final trade as GM of the Sixers was, in fact, the acquisition of the titular Rights to Ricky Sanchez.

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3 hours ago, Frostillicus said:

I just remembered Westbrook is on Houston now.  Wow.  

Thanks for the update sports_fan. 😄

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Dwight Howard is a Laker again. It ought to be an entertaining season. Not necessarily a successful season, but an entertaining one.

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3 hours ago, Capella said:

The K team lost to Australia last night 

It was a very entertaining game in front of 50,000 Australian fans in a domed stadium.  NBA TV ran the Australian feed with their homer announcers.

USA didn't move the ball on offense and settled for either deep 3PTs or kamikaze drives to the hoop.  Australia cut them up on defense especially with Bogut playing the high post although the US had some success with their press.  Even without the big stars, the Americans clearly were more talented but they'll have to improve their organization before the tournament.

The extra two hour time difference between China and Melbourne is going to make the World Cup harder to watch live from the West Coast. :thumbdown:

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The Nets and Caris Levert have agreed to a 3 year, $52MM extension that will begin in the '20-'21 season. Levert has had problems staying on the floor, but at full strength he was arguably Brooklyn's best player last season. If he can stay healthy, I think this ends up being a very team-friendly deal for the Nets. 

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On 7/31/2019 at 11:46 AM, Long Ball Larry said:

Sam Vecenie and Cole Zwicker on Game Theory a few days ago said that they thought Caris Levert would get an extension of 4 for 115 or 120, which kind of blew my mind.

i knew this was ####### nuts.  no wonder the suns were so terrible.

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9 hours ago, caustic said:

The Nets and Caris Levert have agreed to a 3 year, $52MM extension that will begin in the '20-'21 season. Levert has had problems staying on the floor, but at full strength he was arguably Brooklyn's best player last season. If he can stay healthy, I think this ends up being a very team-friendly deal for the Nets. 

very nice deal for the Nets.  Levert could blow up this year with KD out.

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2 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said:

i knew this was ####### nuts.  no wonder the suns were so terrible.

Oh wow, I didn’t catch this before - that’s pretty wild. Both the timing and the value of this extension surprised me. I was honestly expecting Levert to play this season out and elevate his value after last year’s huge injury, ending up with an extension in the $20-22MM/yr range. I suppose with his injury history, he thought it would be wise to take the $52MM while it was still on the table. Can’t say I blame him.

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