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Dejounte murray is a pretty good deal for both sides.

jaylen brown, eh.  Good for him for sure.

sabonis, think Indy is being foolish.

free agency is really really going to suck ### next year.  Maybe at some point these teams got nervous and felt like they just had to keep guys out of rfa with such a weak ufa class

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29 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Zion with a knee scope doesn’t sound promising. 

Torn meniscus.  Out 6 to 8 weeks.

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Now the next question is does this make some players more likely to opt out.  Like derozan or Drummond, or even guys like Fournier or jame Johnson.

bogdan gonna get paid.  Poeltl, Dario will be hornets. 

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22 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

Dejounte murray is a pretty good deal for both sides.

jaylen brown, eh.  Good for him for sure.

sabonis, think Indy is being foolish.

free agency is really really going to suck ### next year.  Maybe at some point these teams got nervous and felt like they just had to keep guys out of rfa with such a weak ufa class

$20 million per year for a good but non All NBA center in Sabonis feels like a mistake in today’s league. 

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In light of today’s news I’m even more awestruck at the Nets locking in Caris Levert at 3/52. Jaylen Brown is making 25 million per year  now?

[Levert snaps leg in half on Wednesday]

Ah! Well. Nevertheless,

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50 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

oy gevalt. $115 for the guy who can't hold the k-tape of the $79 or $86 guys

More career turnovers than assists. Amazing. 

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On 10/20/2019 at 9:25 PM, thecatch said:

The Duncan/Hollinger podcast is pretty good. The contrast with Dunc’d On kind of exposes how bad Leroux is as Duncan’s regular podcast partner. 

Going to second this. Subscribed. 

Can't wait for the season.

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HORNETS FIRST IN THE EAST MY DUDES. 

Life is good.

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Interesting stuff from Axios Newsletter this morning:

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Unicorns have roamed NBA pastures for years, transforming the sport of basketball with their unique blend of size, skill and athleticism.

The intrigue: These generational big men have started to come of age, graduating from "he's going to be an MVP candidate one day" to, well, MVP candidates.

They're no longer the future of the league — they're the present. And now that their respective teams have had ample time to build rosters around them, these unicorns could define the 2019-20 season.

The unicorns:

Giannis Antetokounmpo

Anthony Davis

Nikola Jokic

Joel Embiid

Kristaps Porzingis

Karl Anthony-Towns

Ben Simmons

By the numbers: In 2015-16, there were zero players 6-feet-10-inches or taller who were used as the ball handler in the pick-and-roll at least 200 times. By 2017-18, there were 3 (Antetokounmpo, Simmons, Kevin Durant).

Heck, Blake Griffin was used in 300 such possessions last year — proof that this paradigm shift extends beyond even the unicorns, themselves (or perhaps Griffin should also be considered one now that he's transformed his game).

Jokic has recorded triple-doubles at a faster rate than any center in history, and after averaging 7.3 assists per game last season, he's closing in on Wilt Chamberlain's record for highest per-game average by a center (8.6).

Towns has been used as a primary ball handler and playmaker in summer workouts, per The Athletic, and is poised to become more Jokic-like now that Tom Thibodeau and his archaic philosophies are long gone.

The big picture: The rise of the unicorn is about far more than the talents of those individuals. Their versatility has changed the rules of the game, allowing teams to play "small-ball" with a slew of big men.

Judging by size, we'll see lineups this season that look like they belong in the 1990s, when basketball was dominated by physical, low-post play.

But judging by skill, the comparison falls flat. These 7-footers can shoot. They can dribble. They're gazelles. Heck, they're Monstars.

Prime examples: The Sixers will have 3 players 6-feet-10-inches or taller in their starting lineup (Simmons, Embiid, Al Horford), while the Lakers have discussed a "jumbo lineup" featuring LeBron James at the 2, Davis at the 3, JaVale McGee at the 4 and Dwight Howard at the 5.

The bottom line: The "Unicorn Era" has been defined by the players listed above, but it's ultimately a reimagining of what's possible for all players (and not just in the NBA) — a renewed sense of creativity in a sport that suddenly feels boundless.

 

 

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In an attempt to predict the upcoming season's best players, Axios, TrueHoop and machine learning experts, Harrison Chase and Anthony Liu, have partnered to present the "2020 BPM projections."

How it works: Chase and Liu built smart models to predict a player's Box Plus-Minus (BPM) — similar to Real Plus-Minus — for the upcoming season.

In short, BPM is a measure of a player's performance relative to league average on a per 100 possessions scale. +5 is roughly All-NBA level, 0 is league average, -2 is replacement level, -5 is really bad.

The results: Above are the top 20 projected players for the 2019-20 season based on Chase and Liu's model.

For reference, the top 5 players according to BPM last season were Harden (11.7), Antetokounmpo (10.8), Jokic (9.5), Davis (8.5) and James (8.1).

Go deeper: We made a table with BPM projections for every single player in the NBA because we love you. Explore it.

P.S. ... True Hoop's Henry Abbott looked at the data through the lens of "who's going to make the biggest jump this year?" Dive in.

 

https://link.axios.com/click/18399331.41999/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYXhpb3MuY29tL25iYS0yMDIwLXByb2plY3Rpb25zLXRydWVob29wLWQxMzEyZmZjLWYzZDAtNGE0Mi1iNGJiLWIxMGJkY2IzMDc4NS5odG1sP3V0bV9zb3VyY2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX2F4aW9zc3BvcnRzJnN0cmVhbT10b3A/5d449a64bec7c3000a1ea4b3Bd1674404

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Unicorns are why i love this game. My uncle, who took me to every Sunday afternoon home Celtics game in the 60s, would cheat us down to floor-level now & then (Sunday last-place Bruins games sold out, but Sunday crowds of 6-8000 were not uncommon for GreatestDynastyEver Celtics for some reason) and it was like going to the Land of Giants, except no one said fee-fi-fo-fum.

So i was tremendously excited when the first Unicorn, Magic Johnson, came along. When i saw a picture of him next to my hero-of-heroes, Bill Russell, and Magic miight have been taller, i fairly drooled at the prospect of a dime guy being bigger than a swat guy. I was not disappointed.

Haven't seen a pro game at floor level since the Rockets played exhibs @ the Pit in Albq in the 90s and won't pay today's prices, but shonuff would love to see 7-footers open-floor each other one time.

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Worst recent comment - NBA GOATs edition:

LeBron on China/Hong Kong last week <OR> Jordan saying Steph Curry isn't a HOFer 'yet'??

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41 minutes ago, trader jake said:

Worst recent comment - NBA GOATs edition:

LeBron on China/Hong Kong last week <OR> Jordan saying Steph Curry isn't a HOFer 'yet'??

At least Jordan's statement is technically, literally true.

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2 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said:

Whoah, those are really conservative models. 48 of the top 50 players expected to regress. :crazy: Think it speaks to how ridiculously good the league has been recently.

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ive never been so happy to be completely stopped in horrific la traffic. staples is in sight. minivan packed 50-50 with laker and clipper fans. my evil clipper fan daughter talkin' ####. life is good. cheers!!!

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This coaches challenge garbage is stupid AF. It's like the league's admitting their officiating is trash so they're giving teams a way to call them out on their inevitable bad calls.

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8 hours ago, caustic said:

Whoah, those are really conservative models. 48 of the top 50 players expected to regress. :crazy: Think it speaks to how ridiculously good the league has been recently.

Basically the model sucks and isn't worth a dump.

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just a quick note that kobme stinks the bag take that to the bank brohans 

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so if you get back kuzma and rondo does that actually work out to a net loss because of the rondo locker room poison effect or what take that to the bank bromigos 

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11 hours ago, EYLive said:

This coaches challenge garbage is stupid AF. It's like the league's admitting their officiating is trash so they're giving teams a way to call them out on their inevitable bad calls.

LOL.  No human alive can officiate these guys with much precision.  Not only are they enormous and fast, they now constantly act to try and fool the refs.

These refs are better at officiating than you are or will be at anything in your life.  Trash?  You're trash.

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5 minutes ago, Jayrod said:

LOL.  No human alive can officiate these guys with much precision.  Not only are they enormous and fast, they now constantly act to try and fool the refs.

These refs are better at officiating than you are or will be at anything in your life.  Trash?  You're trash.

:lmao:

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As for the basketball...

First game was exciting, but felt like the JV game.  Especially without Zion out there, it fell a little flat, even with going into OT.  VanVleet looked like an all-star and the Pelicans will be decent, but these are two teams that are not real contenders.

The Clippers are already looking like the the frontrunners, even without George.  They made plenty of mistakes, but their team defense was insane.  They have multiple guys on the floor that can make great defensive plays at all times.  They wore down LeBron and Davis and were just too relentless for the Lakers to contend with.  The Lakers really needed Kuzma, but I don't know how anyone beats the Clippers if Paul George shows up like he is capable of.  That team is strong at the top AND the bottom, are well coached and committed to defense.

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I feared, from watching preseason action, that LBJ & AD had formed a yin/yang basketball relationship and would be fine-tuned to what each other was doing at all times and the combination of that and their unprecedented talents would bring their every possession together crashing down on their opponents' heads but...turns out...nope. Perhaps the flipside of LA basketball is that one begins to care more about onesself than one's basketball. Oo, i hope

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59 minutes ago, Jayrod said:

As for the basketball...

First game was exciting, but felt like the JV game.  Especially without Zion out there, it fell a little flat, even with going into OT.  VanVleet looked like an all-star and the Pelicans will be decent, but these are two teams that are not real contenders.

 

This was my exact thought, not to mention the fact that both of these times had the stars "stolen" by the 2 LA teams, and the Pels holes were plugged by the Lakers' flotsam...

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12 hours ago, EYLive said:

This coaches challenge garbage is stupid AF. It's like the league's admitting their officiating is trash so they're giving teams a way to call them out on their inevitable bad calls.

More importantly, which coach will use their challenges in the most confounding ways possible, developing a reputation as the Andy Reid of the NBA?

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What the heck happened to Dwight Howard?

The Lakers roster is garbage after the top 3, 4 guys. Turns out even a broken down Cousins would have been a big plus.

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20 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

Great.  With this thread title, the Bulls are bound to lose against the Hornets tonight.  :kicksrock:

Fun fact: The 7-59 Boobcats won on opening night. :cool:

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AD and Lebron looked out of sync. I totally agree with Chuck's half time comment re AD not getting the ball close enough to the hoop. To many back a guy down then take a fall away shots IMO. Danny Green is gonna feast on that team, bummed I didn't take him in Fantasy :kicksrock: 

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2 hours ago, Jayrod said:

LOL.  No human alive can officiate these guys with much precision.  Not only are they enormous and fast, they now constantly act to try and fool the refs.

These refs are better at officiating than you are or will be at anything in your life.  Trash?  You're trash.

Are you referring to the refs the mob are paying or the ones who are star struck?

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1 hour ago, Kraft... said:

AD and Lebron looked out of sync. I totally agree with Chuck's half time comment re AD not getting the ball close enough to the hoop. To many back a guy down then take a fall away shots IMO. Danny Green is gonna feast on that team, bummed I didn't take him in Fantasy :kicksrock: 

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Lakers are going to be just fine. LeBron and AD will be enough to make top 3, imo. 

I don't think they'll match up well against Vucevic and Gordon, so I'll say their ceiling is a Finals appearance. 

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3 hours ago, Gr00vus said:

What the heck happened to Dwight Howard?

The Lakers roster is garbage after the top 3, 4 guys. Turns out even a broken down Cousins would have been a big plus.

Dwight will be fine. He just got into some foul trouble and couldn't get into a groove. But your second line is spot on. Kuzma and Cousins completely changes things.

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5 hours ago, Jayrod said:

LOL.  No human alive can officiate these guys with much precision.  Not only are they enormous and fast, they now constantly act to try and fool the refs.

These refs are better at officiating than you are or will be at anything in your life.  Trash?  You're trash.

Uh oh, someone got triggered and snapped. :hot:
Take care of yourselves, fellas. Mental health is important.

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1 hour ago, EYLive said:

Uh oh, someone got triggered and snapped. :hot:
Take care of yourselves, fellas. Mental health is important.

I've been officiating football and basketball for 10 years now.  Outside of golf, officiating basketball is the most difficult thing to do well that I've ever tried in my life.  Standing out there making calls is easy.  Being good at it is incredibly difficult and the NBA guys are the best.

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3 hours ago, GOB said:

Lakers are going to be just fine. LeBron and AD will be enough to make top 3, imo. 

I don't think they'll match up well against Vucevic and Gordon, so I'll say their ceiling is a Finals appearance. 

There was a lot of problems related to unfamiliarity for the Lakers last night, and I think some of that will get sorted out over the season. There's still not enough skill across the roster right now to think they could win a championship, but I expect they should be able to be a top 4 seed in the conference.

And the familiarity problem was not just for the guys on the team - I had trouble recognizing a lot of the guys they were putting out there. It took me forever to figure out #11 was Avery Bradley.

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Let’s go Heat!!!!

 

Tyler Herro getting the stat tonight (Waiters suspended). Let’s go!!!!!!

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7 hours ago, Juxtatarot said:

Great.  With this thread title, the Bulls are bound to lose against the Hornets tonight.  :kicksrock:

Defense looking great so far :lol: 37 points given up in 1st to the Hornets.

I'd like to think I follow the NBA pretty closely and I have no idea who a couple of these Hornets players are. 

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