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1 hour ago, Chaos Commish said:

Tatum destroyed Portland. Ingram keeping Nola in it with the Lakers. Two most improved players in the league? I'm sure I am forgetting someone or others.

Strong year for the award. I'd put Bam and Luka up there too.

Luka will probably get "penalized" for being so good as a rookie but most don't realize the guy is almost averaging a triple double this year. And still 20 years old :lmao: 

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3 hours ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

Strong year for the award. I'd put Bam and Luka up there too.

Luka will probably get "penalized" for being so good as a rookie but most don't realize the guy is almost averaging a triple double this year. And still 20 years old :lmao: 

Trae Young should be in that conversation as well in my opinion. 

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6 hours ago, strykerpks said:
9 hours ago, SWC said:

bangos are still pretty good at bball take that to the bank bromigos 

But they shouldn't have let Brogdan go!1!!11JUAN!!!

3 solid wins this week but still gotta perform in the playoffs. Not only IMO but for any national relevance. :shrug: 

he was a ball stopper in the offense and did not like milwaukee i know you are joking but seriously i was not to sad to see him go even though i liked him and wish him well take that to the bank  

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13 hours ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

Strong year for the award. I'd put Bam and Luka up there too.

Luka will probably get "penalized" for being so good as a rookie but most don't realize the guy is almost averaging a triple double this year. And still 20 years old :lmao: 

siakam could honestly be in the convo again.  Increased usage by 40%, doubled 3PA per game at the same shooting %, and his TS% would be the same if not for what looks like some weird luck on 2 pointers that should progress back to the mean.

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Agreed you can put SIakam with a whole host of others. There were a number of 1st time All Stars this season.

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Welp, Simmons out indefinitely and now embiid out of the game with a shoulder strain.

time to see Brett brown’s masterful coaching chops on display.

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Devonte' Graham would be my pick. Kendrick Nunn, Brandon Ingram, and Davis Bertans were three others that seemed to make a big jump from last season.  Maybe SGA, but that doesn't seem as surprising of a jump.

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What’s the deal with Jeff green?  Nobody really wants him, but someone is always willing to take him somewhere as long as he basically plays for free

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so Glenn Robinson III was on a streak of 12 straight games with a 3-pointer before he got traded to the Sixers. i believe this is his 6th game with the team, and i believe he has gone 0-whatever since the trade. i'm also positive Harris, Richardson, and Horford are all shooting well below their average now that they have joined the Sixers

Pretty fun being a Sixers' fan :kicksrock:

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On 2/21/2020 at 9:01 AM, Capella said:

They are extremely more likely to lose in round 1 than they are to make the finals. Come to reality please. 

ok, i am open to the idea that you may possibly be correct:

Derek Bodner

@DerekBodnerNBA

With Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid both out, Al Horford (4-10), Tobias Harris (3-12) and Josh Richardson (4-12) have combined for just 28 points on 11-34 shooting against the league's 2nd worst defense. That's not going to get it done.

Burn this mother F'er down and sell the team please. thing is a dumpster fire and they should consider getting rid of Brown before the end of the season if they have more like this. Also give a kick to the nuts to Silver and the NBA for their courage to stop the atrocity of Sam Hinkie, and leave the Sixers with "Eric Jr." and to eventually have to scramble and make Brand GM. 

Insane thinking of the position the Sixers were in before Colangelo until now. 🙂 I had Sixers +10.5 in live betting tonight, and these mother F'ers can't even cover that

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19 hours ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

Strong year for the award. I'd put Bam and Luka up there too.

Luka will probably get "penalized" for being so good as a rookie but most don't realize the guy is almost averaging a triple double this year. And still 20 years old :lmao: 

really have to think it goes to Bam. I am not sure how the award has gone the past 10-20 years, but Bam really seems to be that guy who came out of nowhere and has been consistently good. Luka has been amazing, but i think just like you said he won't get it because it isn't as big of a jump as Bam has had. Brandon Ingram should be in the conversation too, but i don't think he has been as consistent as Bam

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1 hour ago, trader jake said:

Devonte' Graham would be my pick. Kendrick Nunn, Brandon Ingram, and Davis Bertans were three others that seemed to make a big jump from last season.  Maybe SGA, but that doesn't seem as surprising of a jump.

Graham and Bertans aren't bad, but they seem to be products of terrible teams and being able to score a bunch because of a lack of talent on the rest of the roster. Bam has to battle for stats with Butler and a host of 2nd/3rd tier guys for stats, and he just seems to be the most consistent of the out of nowhere guys. 

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28 minutes ago, modogg said:

ok, i am open to the idea that you may possibly be correct:

Derek Bodner

@DerekBodnerNBA

With Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid both out, Al Horford (4-10), Tobias Harris (3-12) and Josh Richardson (4-12) have combined for just 28 points on 11-34 shooting against the league's 2nd worst defense. That's not going to get it done.

Burn this mother F'er down and sell the team please. thing is a dumpster fire and they should consider getting rid of Brown before the end of the season if they have more like this. Also give a kick to the nuts to Silver and the NBA for their courage to stop the atrocity of Sam Hinkie, and leave the Sixers with "Eric Jr." and to eventually have to scramble and make Brand GM. 

Insane thinking of the position the Sixers were in before Colangelo until now. 🙂 I had Sixers +10.5 in live betting tonight, and these mother F'ers can't even cover that

:welcome: 

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Odds for most improved updated today at DraftKings sportsbook

Site won't cut and paste so...

Ingram +140

Bam +300

Luka +400

Devonte +500

Shai +1400

Sabonis, Tatum, Trae +5000

if you have a DK acct the rest is here

I bought some Tatum and Luka.

 

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Celts @ Jazz should be good. I can't get enough of how aggressive Tatum has become offensively, then just nails on D. He is by far the fastest riser on that list coming from +25000 to +5000 since the AS break. 

Ingram is odds on favorite, but I expect the award to go to Luka. Giannis gets MVP but they have to recognize how dominant Luka is this year.

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23 minutes ago, Chaos Commish said:

Odds for most improved updated today at DraftKings sportsbook

Site won't cut and paste so...

Ingram +140

Bam +300

Luka +400

Devonte +500

Shai +1400

Sabonis, Tatum, Trae +5000

if you have a DK acct the rest is here

I bought some Tatum and Luka.

 

wow, when did draft kings get so thorough with all of their betting selections? DPOY seems just dumb with AD being a -250 favorite, but that does seem to be more of a popularity contest than anything. He is 3rd in the league in blocks and 18th for rebounds. those def rebounds are close to 4 rebounds a game difference than #4 Giannis. It is pretty nice seeing Thybulle getting some love even being mentioned, but having Ben Simmons not top 5 in betting favorites seems strange since he has led for most of the season in steals. 

Would be interesting to see how that trended over the years. It does seem around early 90's blocks started taking over as > than steals. only a few like Gary Payton snuck in to win it Also pretty crazy how many years Jordan was top 3 in steals.

https://stats.nba.com/leaders/?Season=1995-96&SeasonType=Regular Season&StatCategory=BLK

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Defensive_Player_of_the_Year_Award

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Tatum making THE LEAP this month. His numbers in February:

30.5 ppg on 50/51/81, 7.5 rebounds, 3 assists. 

More made threes this month than anyone in the league. At 21 years old.

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1 hour ago, Workhorse said:

Tatum making THE LEAP this month. His numbers in February:

Kobe has sumn to do with it. Tatum adored Kobe - it was he whose tutelage Jayson sought when everyone was predicting the world for him after his rookie year and he took whatever lessons he got so much to heart that the hesitancy of asking WWKD? at most moments on the floor hurt his flow all season. Dont think this surge is a coincidence. You're doing your mentor proud, kid 

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16 hours ago, Chaos Commish said:

Odds for most improved updated today at DraftKings sportsbook

Site won't cut and paste so...

Ingram +140

Bam +300

Luka +400

Devonte +500

Shai +1400

Sabonis, Tatum, Trae +5000

if you have a DK acct the rest is here

I bought some Tatum and Luka.

 

the Luka price seems way too low just from the standpoint that I think that the voters tend to give it to guys who were not very good and bring themselves to pretty good, much more so than players who were already highly regarded and get to an elite level.

edit: actually, looking at the historical winners, I would say that was true until around 2010 and in the past decade, it has been much less so, so maybe it's not that bad of a price.

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Plunked down a bill and quarter on Boston 20/1 to win it all.  I think they are going to make it to the finals in the East.  I don't trust Milwaukie, Phily can't win on the road and that's it for obstacles coming out of the crap coast.  Once in the finals, I can hedge a bit, but I think lack of depth and old age will be the undoing with either LA team.

Go Green!

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17 hours ago, Chaos Commish said:

Odds for most improved updated today at DraftKings sportsbook

Sabonis, Tatum, Trae +5000

if you have a DK acct the rest is here

I bought some Tatum and Luka.

 

Tatum is +600 atm. Got him at +5000! 😁

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55 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

Plunked down a bill and quarter on Boston 20/1 to win it all.  I think they are going to make it to the finals in the East.  I don't trust Milwaukie, Phily can't win on the road and that's it for obstacles coming out of the crap coast.  Once in the finals, I can hedge a bit, but I think lack of depth and old age will be the undoing with either LA team.

Go Green!

The Celts are one of the few teams with enough scheme to turn Eric Bledsoe into a series-ruining chukker, the key to beating the Bucks. If the immortal Semi Ojeleye can get away with his act on Anteaternintendo one more time....

Sounds like a decent bet.

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1 hour ago, General Malaise said:

Plunked down a bill and quarter on Boston 20/1 to win it all.  I think they are going to make it to the finals in the East.  I don't trust Milwaukie, Phily can't win on the road and that's it for obstacles coming out of the crap coast.  Once in the finals, I can hedge a bit, but I think lack of depth and old age will be the undoing with either LA team.

Go Green!

and here i thought we were brohanthers from other mohanthers that hurts brohan that hurts bad take that to the bank 

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Just now, wikkidpissah said:

The Celts are one of the few teams with enough scheme to turn Eric Bledsoe into a series-ruining chukker, the key to beating the Bucks. If the immortal Semi Ojeleye can get away with his act on Anteaternintendo one more time....

Sounds like a decent bet.

they got this guy divincenzeroni who is pretty good at the old bball this year so bledsoe is not the be all end all any more take that to the bank bromigo

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9 minutes ago, SWC said:

they got this guy divincenzeroni who is pretty good at the old bball this year so bledsoe is not the be all end all any more take that to the bank bromigo

no doubt theyre the favorite, but bledsuck is the kryptonite and davincinintendo aint the answer and you can take that to the hole, bro&roll

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21 minutes ago, SWC said:

and here i thought we were brohanthers from other mohanthers that hurts brohan that hurts bad take that to the bank 

Well, here's the part that connects us, my broladdy from another daddy....I'll be rooting for your Bucks against 14 other teams, so if they take Boston out (or Boston goes out beforehand) I'll be wearing my antlers, dousing myself with deer piss and howling for Antekomptol-bro as loud as I can and you put that in your peace pipe.

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1 hour ago, General Malaise said:

Plunked down a bill and quarter on Boston 20/1 to win it all.  I think they are going to make it to the finals in the East.  I don't trust Milwaukie, Phily can't win on the road and that's it for obstacles coming out of the crap coast.  Once in the finals, I can hedge a bit, but I think lack of depth and old age will be the undoing with either LA team.

Go Green!

The Clippers have a ton of depth, it's one of the strengths of the team.

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3 minutes ago, Gr00vus said:

The Clippers have a ton of depth, it's one of the strengths of the team.

We'll see if they get their d right. They should be so good but they fall behind by double digits game after game. Every time I watch for a few weeks I feel like something is wrong. We still haven't seen a lot of the Kahwi/George combo in tough situations, but I feel like they'll fall short.

If everyone is healthy on all the competitive teams, I think I like the Lakers to get this (for Kobe?). Then I see the world through purple glasses sometimes. I like the depth (Rondo, Avery, KCP, Danny, Caruso, Kuz, Kieff maybe). Rondo and Bradley have developed respectable (streaky) three point shots. All the others can drain it. The rim protection that helped Warrior teams finish games is strong here (Davis, Howard, McGee). It's a leap better than Zubac/Harrell/Whoever.

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28 minutes ago, Gr00vus said:

The Clippers have a ton of depth, it's one of the strengths of the team.

gotta see how they play together - somebody's always out whenever i watch em. teams that dont know what everybody's doin' dont win, but the Lakers suck & Nugs dont have any champs

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36 minutes ago, Chaos Commish said:

We'll see if they get their d right. They should be so good but they fall behind by double digits game after game. Every time I watch for a few weeks I feel like something is wrong. We still haven't seen a lot of the Kahwi/George combo in tough situations, but I feel like they'll fall short.

If everyone is healthy on all the competitive teams, I think I like the Lakers to get this (for Kobe?). Then I see the world through purple glasses sometimes. I like the depth (Rondo, Avery, KCP, Danny, Caruso, Kuz, Kieff maybe). Rondo and Bradley have developed respectable (streaky) three point shots. All the others can drain it. The rim protection that helped Warrior teams finish games is strong here (Davis, Howard, McGee). It's a leap better than Zubac/Harrell/Whoever.

I like the Clips chances better than the Lakers. I don't think the Lakers are deep at all, not in a reliable way. Kuzma has been a real let down this year. Still feels to me like you can take your chances doubling off of anyone but LeBron and Davis and you'll probably be o.k. in the long run.

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3 hours ago, wikkidpissah said:

The Celts are one of the few teams with enough scheme to turn Eric Bledsoe into a series-ruining chukker, the key to beating the Bucks. If the immortal Semi Ojeleye can get away with his act on Anteaternintendo one more time....

Sounds like a decent bet.

why will the celtics do better this year than last year against the Bucks?

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1 minute ago, Long Ball Larry said:

it dropped that much in one day?

man on fire... was +25000 five games ago.

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20 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

why will the celtics do better this year than last year against the Bucks?

Kyrie 'Elessison 

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10 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said:

why will the celtics do better this year than last year against the Bucks?

Because they don't have Kyrie Irving.

Upgraded on Rozier with Kemba.

Discussed at nauseam last year they were much better w/o Kyrie.

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5 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

Because they don't have Kyrie Irving 

 

44 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

Kyrie 'Elessison 

well, listen, that was surely damn weird the way he played that, but still...

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Look, I think LA, LA and MIL are the most likely teams to capture the glory.  But I don't get erect for 2:1 chalk anymore.  20:1?  Boing!!!!!  

Brad Stephens, Kemba, Smaht and them wings?  Yeah, worth a throw at long odds. 

 

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39 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

I also said "old age" :shrug:

 

And that is an astute observation.

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7 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said:

 

well, listen, that was surely damn weird the way he played that, but still...

more than damn weird - somewhere between a tantrum & a breakdown. the Green had beaten the Bucks in 7 without Irving the year before (mostly due to Ojeleye's ability to hold his path against Giannis) and won the first game in Mil pretty handily last year. then Kyrie stopped passing and started chukkin'. after one like 2-for-19 game he said he should have shot 19 more or sumn. milwaukee should be favored this year and the celts have not looked good against the bucks this season, but....

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Is "Defensive Rating" a real thing?  Because this is kind of cool (from nba.com):

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DEFENSIVE RATING

1.Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL 97.2

2.Donte DiVincenzo MIL 98.3

3.Wesley Matthews MIL 98.9

4.Khris Middleton MIL 99.4

5.Eric Bledsoe MIL 99.5

6.Alex Caruso LAL 99.5

7.Brook Lopez MIL 99.8

8.Joel Embiid PHI 101.1

9.George Hill MIL 101.2

10.Terence Davis TOR 101.5

 

 

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What the hell is "Net Rating" at nba.com?  Because that's also pretty cool right now.

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NET RATING

1.Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL 15.8

2.Donte DiVincenzo MIL 15.3

3.Khris Middleton MIL 14.8

4.Eric Bledsoe MIL 14.5

5.Brook Lopez MIL 13.3

6.Wesley Matthews MIL 12.6

7.Terence Davis TOR 12.3

8.Alex Caruso LAL 12.2

9.George Hill MIL 11.2

10.Jayson Tatum BOS 11.2

 

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1 hour ago, CletiusMaximus said:

Is "Defensive Rating" a real thing?  Because this is kind of cool (from nba.com):

 

 

58 minutes ago, CletiusMaximus said:

What the hell is "Net Rating" at nba.com?  Because that's also pretty cool right now.

 

defensive rating is the number of points scored against your team per 100 possessions.  An individual's defensive rating is that measurement per 100 possessions when that player is on the floor.

Net Rating is the difference between offensive rating (the number of points scored per 100 possessions) and the defensive rating.

 

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1 hour ago, Long Ball Larry said:

Yes?

My impression of him to date was not that of defensive giant.

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