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22 hours ago, Deamon said:

Nice didn't know about those.  Did a quick search but mainly looked at Staples and jets/giants. Either way it's been quite some time and would be cool. A series with zero travel, the players swapping locker rooms ever few games, etc. 

How would the Jets/Giants meet up in the playoffs?

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Man I missed the Lakers giving Rondo a 2-year deal. That’s hysterical. 

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20 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

How would the Jets/Giants meet up in the playoffs?

Super Bowl. 

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7 minutes ago, Deamon said:

Super Bowl. 

That would have been possible a few tears back, yes - but in that case it would be considered a neutral site game despite the reality.

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1 minute ago, Dr. Octopus said:

That would have been possible a few tears back, yes - but in that case it would be considered a neutral site game despite the reality.

Yes, obviously very unlikely. I was just looking at all the teams in the big 4 sports who shared an arena. Sheesh!

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Here's my super early rankings of the teams by conference.  There is a huge gap in strength between the conferences.  With the East, I was looking for any reason to move a team up the rankings, with the West it was the opposite.  To put it simply, I believe every West team but the Suns could be a playoff team in the East.

East:

  1. Bucks - This is close to the same squad that had the best record last season.  From what I've seen of Giannis in his career, he will improve a bit, which is very scary considering he just won MVP.  I expect them to dominate a weak conference.
  2. 76ers - They have some things to figure out, but easily the most talented starting 5 in the East, if not the league.  I don't believe in Brown and think they are wasting some prime years of talent with a mid-level coach.
  3. Pacers - I like what they have done and think they are the clear cut #3.  Any injuries to the above teams and they will be ready to pounce.
  4. Celtics - I think they land here by default due to what is below.  They are talented, but have a lot to figure out and some holes.  They are my squad and in Brad I Trust, but there is a lot of work to do.
  5. Nets - Similar to Boston, I just don't see anyone below that I can put above them.  Kyrie makes them a few wins better than D'Angelo and with Toronto being weaker, they get bumped up a slot from last season.
  6. Heat - Lots of changes and a net positive.  Don't know if it is possible, but landing Westbrook could put them up to #4.  Like Spo a lot and think Jimmy will get them to the playoffs or die trying.
  7. Raptors - Still a lot of good players there and they know how to win, but with no Kawhi and no Derozan, they are only here by default.  They could easily fall out of the playoffs with any kind of hangover or bad luck.
  8. Magic - They have some nice pieces and if Vuc can get back to playing really well, I could see them climbing higher.
  9. Hawks - They are a team on the rise, but still a notch below the playoffs.
  10. Knicks - I actually like what they have done and think they make a jump this year.  They have a lot to learn, but are much more talented than last year.
  11. Pistons - I don't see Blake being as good or as healthy as last year, and they barely squeaked into the playoffs last year.  If they could land Westbrook, that could be something.
  12. Wizards - I really wish Beal had gotten away from this dumpster fire.  He is good, they are not.  Even Wall coming back mid-season won't get them into the playoffs.
  13. Bulls - They have some decent players, but just don't seem to have a clear path to winning games on a regular basis.
  14. Hornets - They lost their one great player and got nothing in return, and weren't even a playoff team with him.
  15. Cavaliers - Sexton and Garland together will make some entertaining plays, but they don't have much else and will be horrible on defense.

West:

  1. Clippers - Two 2-way, All-NBA studs in their prime with a good team around them and a good coach.  Clear cut favorites to win it all.
  2. Lakers - LeBron and AD is just too much for most teams to handle, no matter the rest.  They are doing what they had to do after the Kawhi news and just need to stay healthy.  Say what you want about LBJ, but he knows how to win.
  3. Jazz - I liked them last year until they flamed out in the playoffs.  They have added some really good pieces that fit.  My personal favorite team in the West.
  4. Rockets - Still super talented.  Still super dysfunctional.
  5. Blazers - They've quietly made a lot of changes and could be much better or much worse, but they took some swings not unlike what Toronto did last year.  This will not be the same Portland team.
  6. Nuggets - Probably too low, but I'm just not sold yet.  If the Jazz don't gel and the Rockets and Blazers flame out, they could easily get the 3 seed...that I put them here just shows how stupid the depth is in the West.
  7. Warriors - It is still Steph and Draymond with some good players until Klay comes back.  This team will be better at the end of the year than the beginning.  Curry can't carry the offense all season long, so a lot will depend on how well D'Angelo plays.  They too could end up much higher than this.
  8. Spurs - Never, ever bet against Pop.  This team is really good, just not great.  Anyone above them falters and they will move up.  Very tough out in the playoffs.  If their youth develops, they could be even more dangerous.
  9. Mavericks - They've got talent, but have a lot to figure out with Kristaps on the floor.  They will figure it out eventually.  How quickly that happens will determine where they land.  That and keep KP healthy.
  10. Kings - They were fun last year and should get better this year.  Unfortunately for them, so did everyone else.  They have a shot at like the 7-8 seed if stuff falls their way, but I think they end up on the outside looking in again.
  11. Timberwolves - Not a lot to love, but they will be solid enough to stay somewhat relevant until the end.
  12. Thunder - This team is in a lot of flux with trying to move Westbrook still.  If he stays, they could be better than this.  They are a huge wildcard and landed two good players for PG, but in a loaded West, any uncertainty means trouble.
  13. Pelicans - I like what they are doing, but they will need time to learn and gel and 35-40 wins will probably lands you here.
  14. Grizzlies - Same as the Pelicans.
  15. Suns - They could climb out of the cellar, but it probably won't be much higher.  Too many good teams around here.
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Jerami Grant is headed to Denver for a 2020 first-rounder, so the tear-down is in full effect for the Thunder. They were in such bad shape that trading Grant saves them $39mm in salary and taxes. 

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6 minutes ago, Moe. said:

Jerami Grant is headed to Denver for a 2020 first-rounder, so the tear-down is in full effect for the Thunder. They were in such bad shape that trading Grant saves them $39mm in salary and taxes. 

I thought they might move Gallinari.  Understandable either way though.

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16 minutes ago, Moe. said:

Jerami Grant is headed to Denver for a 2020 first-rounder, so the tear-down is in full effect for the Thunder. They were in such bad shape that trading Grant saves them $39mm in salary and taxes. 

Well crap....my rankings are already obsolete.

Move the Nuggets up a spot to #5 over the Blazers and move the Thunder down to #14.  I just wasn't sure if OKC was going to tear it down or not and Grant is a good add for the Nuggets who I waffled on putting below the Blazers to begin with.

ETA:  If/when the Thunder dump Westbrook, I think they become the bottom team in the West under Phoenix.  Talk about your dramatic turn of events.

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5 minutes ago, Moe. said:

OKC is in full process mode 

It's funny that Jerami Grant was traded away from Philly during the process years for being too good also.

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1 hour ago, Jayrod said:

Here's my super early rankings of the teams by conference.  There is a huge gap in strength between the conferences.  With the East, I was looking for any reason to move a team up the rankings, with the West it was the opposite.  To put it simply, I believe every West team but the Suns could be a playoff team in the East.

East:

  1. Bucks - This is close to the same squad that had the best record last season.  From what I've seen of Giannis in his career, he will improve a bit, which is very scary considering he just won MVP.  I expect them to dominate a weak conference.
  2. 76ers - They have some things to figure out, but easily the most talented starting 5 in the East, if not the league.  I don't believe in Brown and think they are wasting some prime years of talent with a mid-level coach.
  3. Pacers - I like what they have done and think they are the clear cut #3.  Any injuries to the above teams and they will be ready to pounce.
  4. Celtics - I think they land here by default due to what is below.  They are talented, but have a lot to figure out and some holes.  They are my squad and in Brad I Trust, but there is a lot of work to do.
  5. Nets - Similar to Boston, I just don't see anyone below that I can put above them.  Kyrie makes them a few wins better than D'Angelo and with Toronto being weaker, they get bumped up a slot from last season.
  6. Heat - Lots of changes and a net positive.  Don't know if it is possible, but landing Westbrook could put them up to #4.  Like Spo a lot and think Jimmy will get them to the playoffs or die trying.
  7. Raptors - Still a lot of good players there and they know how to win, but with no Kawhi and no Derozan, they are only here by default.  They could easily fall out of the playoffs with any kind of hangover or bad luck.
  8. Magic - They have some nice pieces and if Vuc can get back to playing really well, I could see them climbing higher.
  9. Hawks - They are a team on the rise, but still a notch below the playoffs.
  10. Knicks - I actually like what they have done and think they make a jump this year.  They have a lot to learn, but are much more talented than last year.
  11. Pistons - I don't see Blake being as good or as healthy as last year, and they barely squeaked into the playoffs last year.  If they could land Westbrook, that could be something.
  12. Wizards - I really wish Beal had gotten away from this dumpster fire.  He is good, they are not.  Even Wall coming back mid-season won't get them into the playoffs.
  13. Bulls - They have some decent players, but just don't seem to have a clear path to winning games on a regular basis.
  14. Hornets - They lost their one great player and got nothing in return, and weren't even a playoff team with him.
  15. Cavaliers - Sexton and Garland together will make some entertaining plays, but they don't have much else and will be horrible on defense.

West:

  1. Clippers - Two 2-way, All-NBA studs in their prime with a good team around them and a good coach.  Clear cut favorites to win it all.
  2. Lakers - LeBron and AD is just too much for most teams to handle, no matter the rest.  They are doing what they had to do after the Kawhi news and just need to stay healthy.  Say what you want about LBJ, but he knows how to win.
  3. Jazz - I liked them last year until they flamed out in the playoffs.  They have added some really good pieces that fit.  My personal favorite team in the West.
  4. Rockets - Still super talented.  Still super dysfunctional.
  5. Blazers - They've quietly made a lot of changes and could be much better or much worse, but they took some swings not unlike what Toronto did last year.  This will not be the same Portland team.
  6. Nuggets - Probably too low, but I'm just not sold yet.  If the Jazz don't gel and the Rockets and Blazers flame out, they could easily get the 3 seed...that I put them here just shows how stupid the depth is in the West.
  7. Warriors - It is still Steph and Draymond with some good players until Klay comes back.  This team will be better at the end of the year than the beginning.  Curry can't carry the offense all season long, so a lot will depend on how well D'Angelo plays.  They too could end up much higher than this.
  8. Spurs - Never, ever bet against Pop.  This team is really good, just not great.  Anyone above them falters and they will move up.  Very tough out in the playoffs.  If their youth develops, they could be even more dangerous.
  9. Mavericks - They've got talent, but have a lot to figure out with Kristaps on the floor.  They will figure it out eventually.  How quickly that happens will determine where they land.  That and keep KP healthy.
  10. Kings - They were fun last year and should get better this year.  Unfortunately for them, so did everyone else.  They have a shot at like the 7-8 seed if stuff falls their way, but I think they end up on the outside looking in again.
  11. Timberwolves - Not a lot to love, but they will be solid enough to stay somewhat relevant until the end.
  12. Thunder - This team is in a lot of flux with trying to move Westbrook still.  If he stays, they could be better than this.  They are a huge wildcard and landed two good players for PG, but in a loaded West, any uncertainty means trouble.
  13. Pelicans - I like what they are doing, but they will need time to learn and gel and 35-40 wins will probably lands you here.
  14. Grizzlies - Same as the Pelicans.
  15. Suns - They could climb out of the cellar, but it probably won't be much higher.  Too many good teams around here.

Grizzlies will be the best #14 team in a conference in NBA history!

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Just now, wikkidpissah said:

Grizzlies will be the best #14 team in a conference in NBA history!

Nah, I think they land at #13 now.  We were this close to greatness, though.

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54 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

I thought they might move Gallinari.  Understandable either way though.

He's expiring, so not sure what kinda draft capital they could get, but I'd imagine it's when not if on Gallo

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32 minutes ago, Moe. said:

OKC is in full process mode 

Who's the big prize of the 2020 draft? 

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2 hours ago, Capella said:

Man I missed the Lakers giving Rondo a 2-year deal. That’s hysterical. 

hes a glue guy and by that i mean he is a total cancer to basically every team he has ever been on which some people call a glue guy take that to the bank brohan

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32 minutes ago, Insein said:

It's funny that Jerami Grant was traded away from Philly during the process years for being too good also.

not to mention the fact that Denver took him in via the trade exception they created when they traded Wilson Chandler into the Sixers' space last year.

everything really connects back to the Sixers ultimately.

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There will be lost of post-mortem stuff on the Thunder I'm sure. Really a fascinating franchise over the last decade. I do think they had some bad luck from 2012-2016 that kept them from a title 

2012 - lost to LeBron

2013 - their best team. Pat Bev takes out Russ' knees in the playoffs 

2014 - Serge gets hurt and misses WCF against the Spurs, a team OKC dominated when healthy in the postseason 

2015 - Durant misses pretty much the whole season, OKC misses out on playoffs 

2016 - up 3-1 against the best regular season team ever, Thompson goes supernova in game 6 and Durant can't score

Pretty incredible run. It was a lot of fun as a fan. Sucks they didn't get a title but that's not the end all be all for me, that's just sports sometimes. 

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5 minutes ago, Kraft... said:

Who's the big prize of the 2020 draft? 

James Wiseman or Cole Anthony, I guess.

They are both the next Lebron.

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5 minutes ago, Kraft... said:

Who's the big prize of the 2020 draft? 

Nobody I think. Presti probably has eyes on that 2022 draft 

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whenever you have russel westjerk the universe is going to make you lose thats pretty much how it is take that to the bank brohans 

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2 minutes ago, Moe. said:

He's expiring, so not sure what kinda draft capital they could get, but I'd imagine it's when not if on Gallo

I was eyeballing him for Boston, but he needs to be paired with a top tier defensive 5, not Enes Kanter.  I think he'd be a better fit for Philly than Horford.

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Just now, SWC said:

whenever you have russel westjerk the universe is going to make you lose thats pretty much how it is take that to the bank brohans 

Somehow Kobe got him 5 rings.  That alone is enough of an argument against Karma that there is in history.

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1 minute ago, Jayrod said:

I was eyeballing him for Boston, but he needs to be paired with a top tier defensive 5, not Enes Kanter.  I think he'd be a better fit for Philly than Horford.

TIME LORD! :oldunsure: 

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Just now, Jayrod said:
Just now, SWC said:

whenever you have russel westjerk the universe is going to make you lose thats pretty much how it is take that to the bank brohans 

Somehow Kobe got him 5 rings.  That alone is enough of an argument against Karma that there is in history.

every single one of kobmes rings is trash his first three were due to shaq and playing the pacers nets and sixers and his second two were brought to you by pau gasol and a crappy orlando team and a boston team that got really old in a hurry basically he just got lucky for a guy who should have spent his life in jail and now all of the hypocritical fake show fans celebrate under the jersey of predator take that to the bank bromigos 

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18 hours ago, Moe. said:

They need to bottom out and rebuild through the draft, regardless of whether or not they can trade him. That's why the package for George is so incredible. The Thunder got lucky - the Clips were basically trading for Kawhi and George but of course the Thunder only traded George. When you trace it back they traded an expiring Serge Ibaka for all of the stuff they got last night. Pretty remarkable. 

They might have to attach something to Russ to move him. He has the worst contract in the league non-Wall division. They're not trying to clear room to sign other players - this is a long-term thing now. They will be one of the worst teams in the West by design for a few years. 

Now that they traded Grant and are in much better shape capwise, do they still need to move Russ if they're not getting some picks or young assets in return?

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17 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

not to mention the fact that Denver took him in via the trade exception they created when they traded Wilson Chandler into the Sixers' space last year.

everything really connects back to the Sixers ultimately.

The Kevin Bacon of the NBA.

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7 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

i soooo want to give the Memphis pick+ to the Magic for Bo Mamba

Why would the magic do that 

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Just now, Capella said:

Why would the magic do that 

Kindness?

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20 minutes ago, Capella said:

Why would the magic do that 

why did they draft him if they were keeping Vuc?

ETA: it's like bringing a Russian oligarch & SWC to a banking conference

EETA: Plus, Bamba, Isaac & Gordon look more like a barcode than a front line

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12 minutes ago, Moe. said:

There will be lost of post-mortem stuff on the Thunder I'm sure. Really a fascinating franchise over the last decade. I do think they had some bad luck from 2012-2016 that kept them from a title 

2012 - lost to LeBron

2013 - their best team. Pat Bev takes out Russ' knees in the playoffs 

2014 - Serge gets hurt and misses WCF against the Spurs, a team OKC dominated when healthy in the postseason 

2015 - Durant misses pretty much the whole season, OKC misses out on playoffs 

2016 - up 3-1 against the best regular season team ever, Thompson goes supernova in game 6 and Durant can't score

Pretty incredible run. It was a lot of fun as a fan. Sucks they didn't get a title but that's not the end all be all for me, that's just sports sometimes. 

Kudos to you for keeping a healthy perspective, this attitude is far too rare in American sport fandom IMO.

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22 minutes ago, Moe. said:

There will be lost of post-mortem stuff on the Thunder I'm sure. Really a fascinating franchise over the last decade. I do think they had some bad luck from 2012-2016 that kept them from a title 

2012 - lost to LeBron

2013 - their best team. Pat Bev takes out Russ' knees in the playoffs 

2014 - Serge gets hurt and misses WCF against the Spurs, a team OKC dominated when healthy in the postseason 

2015 - Durant misses pretty much the whole season, OKC misses out on playoffs 

2016 - up 3-1 against the best regular season team ever, Thompson goes supernova in game 6 and Durant can't score

Pretty incredible run. It was a lot of fun as a fan. Sucks they didn't get a title but that's not the end all be all for me, that's just sports sometimes. 

It is a good look at how hard it is to win a championship. You can have the right drafts, make the right moves, have all world talent and everything still has to go just right to get there.

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On 7/6/2019 at 6:46 AM, thecatch said:

Jazz, Nuggets, Lakers, Blazers, Rockets, Clippers are all better than GSW sans Klay. They’ll have their hands full fighting off the Spurs, Kings, Mavs, and maybe the Pelicans. 

Blazers are not  better than the Dubs.

Curry > Dame

CJ > Dlo

Green >>>> whoever.

The rest of your list I agree with.

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28 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

why did they draft him if they were keeping Vuc?

ETA: it's like bringing a Russian oligarch & SWC to a banking conference

EETA: Plus, Bamba, Isaac & Gordon look more like a barcode than a front line

Because Bamba physically is a baby and not ready to play yet? Nothing says you need to be fully developed in year two. 

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43 minutes ago, NutterButter said:

Now that they traded Grant and are in much better shape capwise, do they still need to move Russ if they're not getting some picks or young assets in return?

I think so, yeah. What's the point of having Russ on this team? If you're not contending you don't want to pay somebody that much money. 

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Just now, Moe. said:

I think so, yeah. What's the point of having Russ on this team? If you're not contending you don't want to pay somebody that much money. 

Russ still has a ton of value to a team with contending aspirations.  Teams like Miami or Detroit could see a huge jump in the East by picking him up, plus a ton of ticket sales and national media attention.

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1 minute ago, Moe. said:

I think so, yeah. What's the point of having Russ on this team? If you're not contending you don't want to pay somebody that much money. 

Puts butts in the seats?   He's still an exciting player to watch.   Anyone you trade him to is going to have to send some good sized contracts back so its not like you'll save his entire salary at least this year.  If you get some expiring deals, that certainly saves you a good chunk for future money.

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1 minute ago, Jayrod said:

Russ still has a ton of value to a team with contending aspirations.  Teams like Miami or Detroit could see a huge jump in the East by picking him up, plus a ton of ticket sales and national media attention.

I think I said this before but I drank a bunch this weekend but I just can't see Detroit. Russ' contract is just so terrible. If they can't find any takers and they have to ride it out - that won't be ideal, but they can still rebuild with everything they got from LA, and they can just load manage the hell out of Russ until hopefully somebody wants him. 

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Now Jerami Grant to Denver for a 2020 1st.

Gallinari should be next.  I would assume Westbook also.

Can a 76ers fan explain to me how this 'process' works?  Do I look to upgrade my season tickets now in hopes of a deep run in 2025?

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4 minutes ago, NutterButter said:

Puts butts in the seats?   He's still an exciting player to watch.   Anyone you trade him to is going to have to send some good sized contracts back so its not like you'll save his entire salary at least this year.  If you get some expiring deals, that certainly saves you a good chunk for future money.

I think to a degree they want to do right by Russ and send him somewhere that he has a chance to compete. Whether or not that's possible, I have no idea. I realize they will have to take a bunch of salary back but I think you hit the nail on the head - hopefully the contracts will be shorter. Trying to win games shouldn't really be on the agenda for the Thunder this year. I get that some people think if that's the case they should just keep Russ and let him go for 60 triple doubles or something dumb like that, but they'd like to shed the contract as well. 

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2 minutes ago, Poke_4_Life said:

Now Jerami Grant to Denver for a 2020 1st.

Gallinari should be next.  I would assume Westbook also.

Can a 76ers fan explain to me how this 'process' works?  Do I look to upgrade my season tickets now in hopes of a deep run in 2025?

Is it possible to have too many 1rsts?

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The timing of this kind of sucks for OKC. I think they would have had plenty of teams interested in Gallo, and at least a couple interested in Adams, before the draft and free agency.  It’s tougher send those contracts out at this point. Maybe the market will open back up for those guys between December and the deadline. 

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Just now, thecatch said:

The timing of this kind of sucks for OKC. I think they would have had plenty of teams interested in Gallo, and at least a couple interested in Adams, before the draft and free agency.  It’s tougher send those contracts out at this point. Maybe the market will open back up for those guys between December and the deadline. 

All indications are they've been trying to move Adams pretty much as soon as the season ended. Nobody is interested. Look at his contract and then compare it to what you think he'd get on the open market right now - it's not great for OKC. 

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3 minutes ago, Moe. said:

I think to a degree they want to do right by Russ and send him somewhere that he has a chance to compete. Whether or not that's possible, I have no idea. I realize they will have to take a bunch of salary back but I think you hit the nail on the head - hopefully the contracts will be shorter. Trying to win games shouldn't really be on the agenda for the Thunder this year. I get that some people think if that's the case they should just keep Russ and let him go for 60 triple doubles or something dumb like that, but they'd like to shed the contract as well. 

While Wiggins contract has a lot of year left, if they are looking to tank for several years, he's the perfect centerpiece.

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6 minutes ago, Poke_4_Life said:

Now Jerami Grant to Denver for a 2020 1st.

Gallinari should be next.  I would assume Westbook also.

Can a 76ers fan explain to me how this 'process' works?  Do I look to upgrade my season tickets now in hopes of a deep run in 2025?

You casually check in during the regular season for the next 2-4 years to see if any diamonds in the rough emerge but mostly tune in again after a couple of top 5 picks emerge. Then load up again on the season tickets.

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