rated about the same as fellow Canuck Wiggins was, and look at the fine work he's done as a Minnesota traffic cone.Is R.J. Barrett actually that good?
The Knicks did have the Dallas picks to give up and presumably their other near term picks are presumably worth more with Durant’s injury.In looking at what the Lakers gave up, on the player side I'm not too upset by it. Hart is a decent rotation player on a very cheap deal, but the Lakers scouting department has been able to find guys late in the draft and hopefully can do so again. Ingram has the most potential of any player the Lakers gave up, but with James under contract and Davis coming over, having another forward who is most useful with the ball in his hands regularly (and is not a good 3-point shooter) becomes a waste of resources. And with Ball, I still think he'll be good, as his court vision is still great and he was becoming a defensive force, but he's still a guy who is shooting less than 32% from 3 and less than 44% from the free throw line (and going there less than 1 time per game), which puts such a ceiling on his game in this age of offenses built on layups, free throws, and 3 pointers (sending Lavar to New Orleans is an added bonus). Also, if those players go on to really great things and fix those deficiencies I think it will illustrate, among other things, how poor the Lakers' player development was during Walton's time. I hope the players go on to play very well, as I enjoyed watching them work to improve as players and their attitudes were always good, especially given the ridiculous sideshows that were present during their time as Lakers.
As far as the draft capital goes, it is a lot to surrender and it certainly reinforces the narrative (and my belief) that Pelinka sucks at his job and Buss missed a great opportunity to completely clean house when Magic quit (so do the stories going around that the Pelicans plan to execute the trade as soon as possible, which won't allow the Lakers to retain max cap space). That said, it's quite possible the picks don't become as bad as they look right now. If Davis signs an extension after next season, the Lakers could conceivably have him as a centerpiece through the 2024-25 season. Given that Lebron is signed through the 21/22 season, if he opts in to his final year at $41 million, that first rounder at the end of the 20/21 season shouldn't be too high a pick, barring unforeseen disasters. After the 21/22 season, it would be reasonable to assume that the cap space opened up by the end of Lebron's contract could be used to sign a different max-level player at that point, which would still give LA Davis in his prime and (hopefully) another top 15-level NBA player. Hopefully Davis and Max Player John Doe would be able to lead the Lakers through the 24/25 season well enough that the pick swaps in '23 and '25 never happen, and the unprotected pick in '24 will be the first round pick of a playoff team/title contender.
Of course, plenty could go wrong between now and then, but a reasonable set of circumstances exist where those picks aren't too painful to give up. That said, I don't think Pelinka needed to give up as much as he did in that area considering the Knicks didn't really have much to offer outside of the #3 pick and it seems as if the Celtics never were willing to put Tatum on the table with Kyrie appearing to be headed to New Jersey and Davis' agent doing his best to keep Boston from trading for him. While the Lakers didn't have all the leverage, they still had plenty of it as the Pels had to deal AD and probably wanted to do it by draft day in order to ensure the #4 pick was a player they wanted. And then not negotiating a later date for finalizing the trade is just such an oversight that it highlights just how much of a love/hate relationship many Laker fans have with the franchise right now. Love the team, hate the front office.
Is that true? I thought Wiggins was a bit better thought of as an all around player?rated about the same as fellow Canuck Wiggins was, and look at the fine work he's done as a Minnesota traffic cone.
That's entirely untrue.In the NBA draft picks are worth less than in any other league.
This really is a crazy statement now that truck points it outIn the NBA draft picks are worth less than in any other league.
It's quintessential Lakersism.Stoked that Tim is back to tell us 3-point shooting is necessary in today’s game.
Can Lonzo Ball legitimately play? I've always held his father's antics against him and assumed without the Big Baller hype and Pop's mouth, Lonzo and brothers weren't much as NBA players.I guess this means we won't ever hear of Lonzo Ball's dad ever again now that his son is in New Orleans.
Yes.Can Lonzo Ball legitimately play? I've always held his father's antics against him and assumed without the Big Baller hype and Pop's mouth, Lonzo and brothers weren't much as NBA players.
Lonzo Ball is the one player I didn't want the Pelicans to get. Is he better than I think?
Probably.Can Lonzo Ball legitimately play? I've always held his father's antics against him and assumed without the Big Baller hype and Pop's mouth, Lonzo and brothers weren't much as NBA players.
Lonzo Ball is the one player I didn't want the Pelicans to get. Is he better than I think?
he's a shorter Simmons with the blips instead of the yips and a lout (pops) instead of a pout. lotsa game in both -Can Lonzo Ball legitimately play? I've always held his father's antics against him and assumed without the Big Baller hype and Pop's mouth, Lonzo and brothers weren't much as NBA players.
Lonzo Ball is the one player I didn't want the Pelicans to get. Is he better than I think?
Any dummy could have overpaid for Davis, which Pelinka did. Now let's see how good of a GM (or is LBJ the GM?) he is when he has $30MM to fill 8 roster spots.Juxtatarot said:Lakers roster at the moment:
LeBron, Davis, Kuzma, Mo Wagner, Isaac Bonga.
No draft picks.
There's a lot of holes to fill.
Maybe getting out of L.A. will be good for the guy.wikkidpissah said:he's a shorter Simmons with the blips instead of the yips and a lout (pops) instead of a pout. lotsa game in both -
Well one apparently has the work ethic of Trump and well the other doesn’t.Long Ball Larry said:Is that true? I thought Wiggins was a bit better thought of as an all around player?
Sure, I just mean the way they were thought of as prospects. There was certainly some discussion when Wiggins came out, but I thought he was the relatively clear number 1.Well one apparently has the work ethic of Trump and well the other doesn’t.
Wiggins was always the better “athlete”, Barrett has better body control, strength, etc around the basket. Basically one can get to where he wants to if it’s a straight line and the other can absorb contact. My sense is if Barrett has NBA space, he’ll be fine, but who knows. He could easily mirror Wiggins “career”.Sure, I just mean the way they were thought of as prospects. There was certainly some discussion when Wiggins came out, but I thought he was the relatively clear number 1.
Yea. Baseball draft picks are worth almost nothing. If anything, an NBA lottery pick is THE MOST valuable of all sports.Good Posting Judge said:That's entirely untrue.
You are right. He was way more highly thought of than Barrett.Sure, I just mean the way they were thought of as prospects. There was certainly some discussion when Wiggins came out, but I thought he was the relatively clear number 1.
Pacers have Bogdanovic, Young and Collison as free agents among others. Might not be easy to keep that team together.Feel like everyone is sleeping on a couple of teams, namely the Pacers and Nuggets. Both teams still have a lot of room to grow with individual players, and Indy has Oladipo coming back. If either team can add a significant piece via trade, FA or draft, they have the chance to be legitimate contenders. I also still like Utah as a dark horse, but they are further away than the other two.
I figure at least one of those picks, beyond the #4 this year, will be a pretty good one. The other major problem I have with this deal is that the Lakers are now basically at the mercy of Rich Paul. The draft picks and that situation are huge risks.The Kansas Comet said:As far as the draft capital goes, it is a lot to surrender and it certainly reinforces the narrative (and my belief) that Pelinka sucks at his job
Been a lakers fan since 1979. Had a (butch) carter jersey back in the day.Good Posting Judge said:I would like to officially announce that I am a Los Angeles Lakers fan for the upcoming 2019-2020 season.
Not an issue. Mid level exception guys come left and right trying to get a ring when they see superstars. Those who have already made their money. They have 6 under contract. 3 starters. Go get Walker or whomever. Surround by cheaper role players who fill a need. D, 3 point shooting etcAny dummy could have overpaid for Davis, which Pelinka did. Now let's see how good of a GM (or is LBJ the GM?) he is when he has $30MM to fill 8 roster spots.
That's a name I had not thought of for a long time. I went to his basketball camp in Southern California when I was a boy.Been a lakers fan since 1979. Had a (butch) carter jersey back in the day.
I remember Wiggins being hyped up a lot more than Barrett.Long Ball Larry said:Is that true? I thought Wiggins was a bit better thought of as an all around player?
Yeah, but they have jermerrio jones and isaac bonga under contract already.You're vying with Tim for most Delusional Post in the Thread with this silliness. It's going to take an extremely talented front office to prevent the Lakers from becoming BKN 2.0 with this trade and Pelinka & Co. have already proven their utter ineptness at everything else basketball related so I don't know where you think they are getting all these extra IQ points from.
They were desperate to get AD to avoid the perception of being even more clueless, saving the proof for when they try to pull this off with their one mid-level exception at ~$9MM. They'd be better off splitting up that money for a few OK players and similarly splitting up their max contract space for 2/3 pretty good players, but the headlines wouldn't be as flashy which is exactly why they won't do it.
Continually overestimating players' desire to come play for the Lakers and making decisions based on getting approval from the casual fan are major reasons their situation is so dire in the first place. They just made it worse.
Spotrac did not list Irving or Horford as cap holds, so that explains the difference in available cap space (they were counted as $0). Not sure why, but Spotrac has Shane Larkin as a cap hold that could be released while ShamSports does not. Not sure why that is. Spotrac also has the Celtics listed as having $450,000 and $1.35 million in roster exceptions available.Juxtatarot said:Here are your moves. That gives $22 million in cap space. They could get a little more by renouncing a few other players.
that 2021 pick is actually reverse protected (according to the last thing that I heard, though details have been continually evolving). If it is not 1-8, then it rolls over to the next year as an unprotected pick. That seems advantageous for the Pels.As a Pels fan I am still torn on this deal. I do think with the injuries in the Playoffs and Kyrie signing with Roc this was the best deal the Pels could have gotten.
I would love to see the Pels flip that #4 and a #1 for the #2 and draft Ja this year. I think the team will be way to inexperienced bu to hey will be fun to watch grow together. I doubt that happens though.
I do not see a great deal of value in the 2021 pick. I think the Lakers will be back in the Playoffs that year and the pick will be mid round. Let’s flip it now.
I didn’t see anything on the 2020 pick?
If they renounced all their free agents, I come up with $27.8 million in cap space. Here.Spotrac did not list Irving or Horford as cap holds, so that explains the difference in available cap space (they were counted as $0). Not sure why, but Spotrac has Shane Larkin as a cap hold that could be released while ShamSports does not. Not sure why that is. Spotrac also has the Celtics listed as having $450,000 and $1.35 million in roster exceptions available.
If Boston starts out with Hayward, Smart, Tatum, Baynes, Brown, Yabuselle, Williams, Ojeleye, and signs / rosters three first round picks, adding in the money from renouncing Larkin and the roster exceptions, that would get Boston to roughly $30.6 million to work with (in theory if the math is right).
Of course, that also means they don't have Kyrie, Horford, Morris, and Rozier. I am also not sure how the cap works if a team drafts a player and puts him in the G league or has him play overseas.
Again in theory, if the Celtics moved a couple of pieces or draft picks, they might approach getting up to having a max contract available. Personally, they haven't been able to attract a premium free agent and instead have given max deals to players that shouldn't have been in the max category, so they probably shouldn't think about that anyway. They are probably better suited in a sign and trade market (or the regular trade market). If the guys I listed left, they should have a lot of room to hit the tax threshold. Either way, they look like a team in purgatory . . . a team probably good enough to compete for a playoff spot but a team too good to tank.
They were favorites to win even before the AD trade.Las Vegas has made the Lakers favorites to win the NBA title.
How can that be? That makes no sense.They were favorites to win even before the AD trade.
Vegas was anticipating the Davis move (or another big name coming to the Lakers). I posted about it last week and was surprised given the roster they had at the time.How can that be? That makes no sense.
Already waaaaaaaaaaay behind schedule because of the crowds2 MILLION, yes MILLION fans expected in downtown Toronto for the parade today.
mamma mia.