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bigbottom
Footballguy
A few days later and surely you have to have moved Harden ahead of Lillard as the best offensive player so far this season? Averaging 39.5 points per game, he’s nearly 10 points per game ahead of Giannis and Lillard at #2 and # 3 respectively. He’s also at #6 in assists, behind LeBron and Doncic on your list, but a full assist per game ahead of Lillard (at #13).
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Even at the time that post was made--no way I'd have Lillard #4 in the MVP running. I love Dame--but unless that team ends up top 5 in the West--he doesn't deserve MVP. A guy like Siakam is more deserving than Dame thus far in the season.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Why did you leave out his 41% shooting and league leading (by quite a bit) 5.5 turnovers a game?
That said, in no way would I put Dame over Harden, but Harden needs to be called out for his faults too. The guy took 41 f'n shots last night.
Also, if Dame is a "bit of a defensively liability" what exactly is Harden?
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bigbottom
Footballguy
Wasn’t intentional. 41.7% shooting percentage for Harden versus 46.2% for Lillard. And yeah, Harden definitely turns over the ball. A lot. But in any event, it sounds like you agree with my point.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I do agree Harden is ahead of Lillard, but I wouldn't have him ahead of others listed either.
bigbottom
Footballguy
You wouldn’t have Harden listed ahead of the others as far as offense? (My comment wasn’t about the MVP listing.). Or you wouldn’t have Lillard ahead of the others as far as offense?
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General Malaise
Footballguy
Sorry, MVP. Thought that's what we were addressing but see this is just an offensive discussion. At least Houston is winning, which is way more than I can say for Portland.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Yeah, I was probably less than clear in my post. I was responding specifically to the statement that Lillard was the best offensive player in the league so far this season.
trader jake
Footballguy
Giannis went 26pts, 13reb, 6ast, a block and a steal last night. He also hit 2 of 4 from 3 and had multiple highlight dunks in a road victory against the Pacers.
...and that may have been his worst game in the last three weeks.
...and that may have been his worst game in the last three weeks.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
i guess it depends on whether this is supposed to be more of a right now award or a projection. Dame's impact on that team is enormous. Their talent is not that great (especially without nurkic)jvdesigns2002 said:
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
everything that harden does is what the team and the coach want him to do. his turnovers are high because he has the ball all the time. lots of guys have worse turnover ratiosGeneral Malaise said:
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
It's a "right now" award as I made sure to use the words "as of now"--but I have to say that I think that Siakam has less talent around him than Dame especially if you consider that Lowry has missed some time. Also--if you take into account the impact a player has on the defensive end of the court--Siakam is hands down better than Dame. Keep in mind--I love Dame--and I'm a big believer in the Blazers. I absolutely agree with you about Nurkics injury hurting the blazers a ton. His attitude and style of play is the perfect puzzle piece for the Blazers. Whiteside is a solid player (and many could argue his a better player than Nurkic)--but I don't think he's a better fit than Nurkic for that team.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
With curry out, who is dame below terms of offensive players right now?
towns
lebron
harden
giannis
Then the next tier in any order is probably
jokic
kawhi
embiid
dame
a davis
im sure I missed someone, but I don’t think it really changes the overall point.
towns
lebron
harden
giannis
Then the next tier in any order is probably
jokic
kawhi
embiid
dame
a davis
im sure I missed someone, but I don’t think it really changes the overall point.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
It's early--but Paul George might very well be above dame even on the offensive end. People could argue Beal--but I think I'd put Dame above him. I guess people could even argue Lou Williams strictly on the offensive end. Luka could very easily be argued for as well.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I definitely considered Luka and trae, just wouldn’t do it quite yet based in experience.
i considered Beal and George but I don’t think that they can be a one man engine the way that dame can. You may be able to argue it based on pure impact. If im thinking drop this guy on any team in the league where I want to know I will have a really good offense, I would take dame above them.
not trying to move the goalposts and not even sure what my ultimate argument is. Probably more of a thought experiment I guess.
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SWC
Bromigo
your first four players are in no particular order right take that to the bank bromigo
EYLive
Footballguy
trader jake
Footballguy
Fultz's outside shot still isn't there but 82% from the line is encouraging.Jonathan Isaac sprained his ankle during the unveiling of Orlando's alternate jersey. Has missed two games and counting.
Markelle Fultz is going to win MVP*
*Of my
Of all the NBA teams, this happening to the Kings doesn't shock me. Followed by NYK.
trader jake
Footballguy
Giannis was called for 5 offensive fouls last night. 
Major
Footballguy
While Luka doesn't have a lot of NBA experience, he's been doing it in the Euros for quite some time. I'd feel comfortable putting him on that list, possibly in the Top 5.
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The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
Watching Anthony Davis play defense has been such a pleasure this year. Just amazing at that end of the floor.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Who is the best defensive player out of these 3?
Embiid
Davis
Gobert
I think that Gobert would get the nod because he has been so damn consistent, but in terms of talent and versatility, I think it is a fascinating question.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
are Kawhi and George playing tonight?
BOS-LAC should be a great game.
BOS-LAC should be a great game.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Honestly, kinda excited that the Blazers are tanking the season. Smartest move they could make. Start Melo, Wotlrthless Whiteside and all their zygotes the rest of the way, get a good draft pick and reload with a healthy Nurk and Collins. Shut Dame down, too. Guy needs an rest year bigly.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Gobert and it's not really that close. He alters sooo many shots. That doesn't show up in stat sheets--but out of the three you mentioned--I think Gobert is the biggest presence in the defensive side of the paint.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
I hope they don't go full on tank mode. That team does have talent---but they are just banged up and don't have much chemistry yet. They lost a lot of pieces and added some new ones. They lost aminu, Harkless, layman and seth curry. Nurkic and Collins are hurt. McCollum has started the season cold--but he's kinda starting to turn things around. Just feels a bit early to me for a team with that kind of talent to write off the season. I don't realy understand the Melo signing as it kinda feels like a desperate move. With that said--I'd like to see them play at least 30-35 games before they write off the season.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Kawhi is questionable and Shamet is out for LAC.
Smart is probable and Hayward is out for BOS.
Major
Footballguy
You're right though. Starting Carmelo is the surest way to tank without raising suspicion. 4D chess.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I don't think they turn it around from here. What's the point? To secure the 7 or 8 seed in the west and get your brains beat in by LA/LA or Houston? Tank, get a good draft spot, jettison Whiteside to any team dumber than Portland to take him (if possible, if not, let him walk) rest Dame, let CJ run the show, let Melo take ALL the shots and get your bigs back for next year fully healed and ready to go.
It's okay to tank. It's even encouraged.
General Malaise
Footballguy
-20 last night and it was almost effortless. And he's wearing double zero which is a GREAT look for fat guys.
trader jake
Footballguy
Interesting argument between Davis & Embiid, but of these three I'd say it's Gobert by a solid margin. They all can block shots but Gobert prevents many more from even being attempted than the other two. Admittedly some of that is due to the energy Davis & Embiid spend on offense.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
General Malaise
Footballguy
Eh, I have him fantasy/dynasty (thanks @wikkidpissah) and he's fine there. Going to the games, tho.....wooof. He's turrible. I think Dame might murder him before Xmas.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Legit points.
I feel like Embiid and Davis can move so much better and get out, but I guess in researching this a little more, it sounds like Gobert has actually been working on that a lot over the past few years, so maybe he's not as far behind them as I think.
And I do think that energy aspect is interesting.
Chemical X
Footballguy
they promised him starting gig. why they think he’s a starter of nba player is weird. why melo continues to not think about being a bench piece is why he’s in this spot.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Nobody other than Melo thinks he's a starter in this league. He started last night because Dame was out, it was his first game and Portland is tanking the season. There isn't a person in this city with an IQ over 100 that thinks Melo is any good anymore.
Tank away, Portland......tank away.
Chemical X
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Long Ball Larry
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