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1 hour ago, Jayrod said:

This Luka kid may be for reals.

Looks like a combination of Bird and Magic.

Did you not watch him last year?  dude is a beast 

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1 hour ago, Major said:

Did you not watch him last year?  dude is a beast 

Only a couple of times, but he wasn't even an all-star last year.

Right now he is playing like an all-NBA player and fringe MVP candidate. 

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9 hours ago, Jayrod said:

Only a couple of times, but he wasn't even an all-star last year.

Right now he is playing like an all-NBA player and fringe MVP candidate. 

This actually got me looking into the way too early look at the MVP race.  Right now I'd have them as follows:

  1. Giannis - #1 in PER, Box +/-, WS/48 and VORP.  Right now this really isn't close.
  2. LeBron - He is doing his thing at 34 yrs old.  Dominating on both ends of the floor and leading his team to wins.  He is the only guy besides the aforementioned freak who is top 10 in both offensive and defensive win shares.
  3. Doncic - I said fringe earlier, and what I meant was he is actually in the running.  He is slightly ahead of LeBron in most of the advanced stats.  He just isn't the defensive player LBJ is and his team's record isn't as good.
  4. Lillard - So far this season he is the best offensive player in the league.  But he is a bit of a liability on defense and his team has a losing record.
  5. KAT - He is top 8 in all of the major advanced stats and is averaging 25.5/12.1/4.3 with 1.4 steals & 1.8 blocks per game.  And the T-wolves have a winning record.

Next tier would include Davis, Harden & Walker.  Embiid & Kawhi are both hurt by missing two games, but are close.

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anteater is a beast from the planet destructodunkatron and he is here to funk up the nba like no one has ever laid the funk down before take that to the bank bromigos

 

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De’Aaron Fox suffers a severe ankle sprain in practice just as the Kings start to show a little bit of a pulse. He could miss until the all star break or longer. Tankathon.com here I come...

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1 hour ago, thecatch said:

De’Aaron Fox suffers a severe ankle sprain in practice just as the Kings start to show a little bit of a pulse. He could miss until the all star break or longer. Tankathon.com here I come...

all star break or longer for a sprain?  holy crap

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7 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

all star break or longer for a sprain?  holy crap

Grade 3.  Average time missed is 33 games, apparently, and I don’t expect the team to have a major reason to rush him back. 

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On the topic of ankle sprains - Landry Shamet has a grade 2 sprain and his timetable to return is TBD.
Paul George on the other hand, is expected to make his Clipper debut on Thursday vs the Pelicans. 
Kawhi will likely sit out vs. Houston on Wednesday.

 

In short, skip the Rockets game, tune in to witness the Pelicans get beat-down the night after.

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Sixers should think about limiting their shooting of 3s in a game to 3/game when they are having an "off" night

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[Stephen A. Smith voice] THE NETS STINK!!!

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2 hours ago, modogg said:

Sixers should think about limiting their shooting of 3s in a game to 3/game when they are having an "off" night

Tobias was 0/11 :mellow:

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The Suns, in the other hand, were swishing 3's with their eyes closed. 

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10 teams are over .700 right now.
 

EDT:  It obviously won't keep up, but there hasn't been an NBA season in over 10 years where there was even more than THREE teams over .700 at year's end.

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6 hours ago, Jayrod said:

Tobias was 0/11 :mellow:

Yea. I like him overall and as a person, but keeping him instead of Butler was a big mistake. Not sure whether they had a choice or not though. 

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7 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Yea. I like him overall and as a person, but keeping him instead of Butler was a big mistake. Not sure whether they had a choice or not though. 

I read a report not too long ago that mentioned there was some behind-the-scenes rifts between Butler and some others in the organization. I don't know that he was keen on sticking around after last year.

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How come Ben Simmons isn’t shooting and draining (or even taking) threes? What happened to those dynamite twitter highlights over the summer?

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On 11/12/2019 at 12:07 PM, thecatch said:

De’Aaron Fox suffers a severe ankle sprain in practice just as the Kings start to show a little bit of a pulse. He could miss until the all star break or longer. Tankathon.com here I come...

Team was looking so good cap wise with a core of Fox-Bagley-Hield. Still is but Then they went out and massively overpaid for Barnes, Dedmon,  and Cory Joseph who they will be paying close to $50 mil/yr for the next 3 years SMH. Dedmon was just a terrible read on the market and talent of a journeyman player.  The only positive with Barnes is its a descending contract and he's a starter in the league. Even if one that should be your 4th or 5th best.

Say what you want about them and their current situation but the Knicks did it right after whiffing on ZIon-Durant-Kyrie by giving short deals and allowing them flexibility for the future.

 

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1 hour ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

Team was looking so good cap wise with a core of Fox-Bagley-Hield. Still is but Then they went out and massively overpaid for Barnes, Dedmon,  and Cory Joseph who they will be paying close to $50 mil/yr for the next 3 years SMH. Dedmon was just a terrible read on the market and talent of a journeyman player.  The only positive with Barnes is its a descending contract and he's a starter in the league. Even if one that should be your 4th or 5th best.

Say what you want about them and their current situation but the Knicks did it right after whiffing on ZIon-Durant-Kyrie by giving short deals and allowing them flexibility for the future.

 

Dedmon and Joseph are basically on two year deals, but yeah, those contracts aren’t great. Fox and Bagley need to pop if they are going to have any kind of future. We’ve only seen 1 game from Bagley this year but it wasn’t encouraging. 

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1 hour ago, scoobus said:

How come Ben Simmons isn’t shooting and draining (or even taking) threes? What happened to those dynamite twitter highlights over the summer?

You know how to draw likes out of me 

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26 minutes ago, thecatch said:

Dedmon and Joseph are basically on two year deals, but yeah, those contracts aren’t great. Fox and Bagley need to pop if they are going to have any kind of future. We’ve only seen 1 game from Bagley this year but it wasn’t encouraging. 

Missed the partial 3rd. Makes it a little "better". Dedmon's market was ~2/10. No clue how they overpaid so much. Same with Joseph. Wasnt a big offseason for PG needs around the league. 

Injuries are the only way IMO Bagley doesn't hit. Went to the 1 game Bagley's played this year when Kings were here. He nor anyone on their team was good that night. They got blown off the court in the 2nd half.

I'd much rather have ponied up for Bogdanovic than paid $25+ mil/yr for those 2.

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1 minute ago, Jayrod said:

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:hifive: Not a whole lot of D played in that one, on either side 

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Austin Rivers calling for the T on Doc was a fun finish to that game.  Rockets debacle in Miami seems to have focused them.

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1 hour ago, Ron Swanson said:

Austin Rivers calling for the T on Doc was a fun finish to that game.  Rockets debacle in Miami seems to have focused them.

 

Just now, matuski said:

 

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16 hours ago, Jayrod said:

I read a report not too long ago that mentioned there was some behind-the-scenes rifts between Butler and some others in the organization.

I, for one, do not at all believe this.  Sounds like pure and utter BS to me.  

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Blazers are signing Carmelo Anthony. Seems like the perfect solution to a team that desperately needs to play defense and rebound.

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1 hour ago, Joe Summer said:

Blazers are signing Carmelo Anthony. Seems like the perfect solution to a team that desperately needs to play defense and rebound.

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1 hour ago, Joe Summer said:

Blazers are signing Carmelo Anthony. Seems like the perfect solution to a team that desperately needs to play defense and rebound.

Maybe we can get Omar Asik for him.  Who says no to that?

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4 hours ago, Joe Summer said:

Blazers are signing Carmelo Anthony. Seems like the perfect solution to a team that desperately needs to play defense and rebound.

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

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Sixers should start the Process over :kicksrock:

Either that or fast forward 2 months and get this team to start clicking a little better

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Honestly, this team is exceeding expectations and I think I know why.

Jaylen Brown is MUCH better.  I mean we had hoped either him or Tatum would take a big leap forward.  Tatum is really the same player with some better shot selection.  But Brown is flat out a different player.  He makes fewer mistakes and his ball handling has jumped up several notches.  His offensive game has become efficient to match his defensive prowess.

I had wanted him to be traded and I have never been more wrong in my life. Signing him to a big contract was absolutely the best move.

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11 hours ago, modogg said:

Sixers should start the Process over :kicksrock:

Either that or fast forward 2 months and get this team to start clicking a little better

Need a shooter and closer still. 

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3 hours ago, Jayrod said:

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Honestly, this team is exceeding expectations and I think I know why.

Jaylen Brown is MUCH better.  I mean we had hoped either him or Tatum would take a big leap forward.  Tatum is really the same player with some better shot selection.  But Brown is flat out a different player.  He makes fewer mistakes and his ball handling has jumped up several notches.  His offensive game has become efficient to match his defensive prowess.

I had wanted him to be traded and I have never been more wrong in my life. Signing him to a big contract was absolutely the best move.

Somebody taught JB a hesi and it's made him a legit to-da-hole guy. And he's almost cured me of waiting for one his ten-cent-head gaffes when i watch him. Best of all, he's jumping his switches regularly - as he does better than just about anybody in the game. Something about that combo of size and foot speed can disrupt anybody's move and gives me & coach li'l d-chubs. He's almost certain to plateau when he starts hearing the plaudits, but he has very much taken a step this season.

Celts are soft in the middle but pretty much every other team has quit on being coached (i've watched over 20 teams so far and aint seen an adjustment yet), so it wont hurt the Green's W-L til the playoffs. Loooove Timelord but he's a zone center, respect the hell out of Theis's hustle but he's too small & slow to body-up and the Turk is a swinging door.

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Rockets disaster in Miami seems to have woken them up, at least it did Capella before his concussion.  Playing well without Gordon, House, and Capella. We'll see how they handle the nasty back to back in Minny tonight. Liking the Harden/Westbrook pairing much better than the Harden/Paul pairing so far but it's a long season. 

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Day late, but Hield was bananas from 3 last night against the Lakers. I think the Kings would have had that one if Fox was playing.

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Clippers winning by 44 without Kawhi and Pat Bev. It might be a 50 point win at the end of garbage time.

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On 11/12/2019 at 8:37 AM, Jayrod said:

This actually got me looking into the way too early look at the MVP race.  Right now I'd have them as follows:

  1. Giannis - #1 in PER, Box +/-, WS/48 and VORP.  Right now this really isn't close.
  2. LeBron - He is doing his thing at 34 yrs old.  Dominating on both ends of the floor and leading his team to wins.  He is the only guy besides the aforementioned freak who is top 10 in both offensive and defensive win shares.
  3. Doncic - I said fringe earlier, and what I meant was he is actually in the running.  He is slightly ahead of LeBron in most of the advanced stats.  He just isn't the defensive player LBJ is and his team's record isn't as good.
  4. Lillard - So far this season he is the best offensive player in the league.  But he is a bit of a liability on defense and his team has a losing record.
  5. KAT - He is top 8 in all of the major advanced stats and is averaging 25.5/12.1/4.3 with 1.4 steals & 1.8 blocks per game.  And the T-wolves have a winning record.

Next tier would include Davis, Harden & Walker.  Embiid & Kawhi are both hurt by missing two games, but are close.

A few days later and surely you have to have moved Harden ahead of Lillard as the best offensive player so far this season?  Averaging 39.5 points per game, he’s nearly 10 points per game ahead of Giannis and Lillard at #2 and # 3 respectively. He’s also at #6 in assists, behind LeBron and Doncic on your list, but a full assist per game ahead of Lillard (at #13).

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1 hour ago, bigbottom said:

A few days later and surely you have to have moved Harden ahead of Lillard as the best offensive player so far this season?  Averaging 39.5 points per game, he’s nearly 10 points per game ahead of Giannis and Lillard at #2 and # 3 respectively. He’s also at #6 in assists, behind LeBron and Doncic on your list, but a full assist per game ahead of Lillard (at #13).

Even at the time that post was made--no way I'd have Lillard #4 in the MVP running.  I love Dame--but unless that team ends up top 5 in the West--he doesn't deserve MVP.  A guy like Siakam is more deserving than Dame thus far in the season.  

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3 hours ago, bigbottom said:

A few days later and surely you have to have moved Harden ahead of Lillard as the best offensive player so far this season?  Averaging 39.5 points per game, he’s nearly 10 points per game ahead of Giannis and Lillard at #2 and # 3 respectively. He’s also at #6 in assists, behind LeBron and Doncic on your list, but a full assist per game ahead of Lillard (at #13).

Why did you leave out his 41% shooting and league leading (by quite a bit) 5.5 turnovers a game?

That said, in no way would I put Dame over Harden, but Harden needs to be called out for his faults too.  The guy took 41 f'n shots last night.

Also, if Dame is a "bit of a defensively liability" what exactly is Harden?  

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3 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

Why did you leave out his 41% shooting and league leading (by quite a bit) 5.5 turnovers a game?

That said, in no way would I put Dame over Harden, but Harden needs to be called out for his faults too.  The guy took 41 f'n shots last night.

Wasn’t intentional. 41.7% shooting percentage for Harden versus 46.2% for Lillard. And yeah, Harden definitely turns over the ball. A lot. But in any event, it sounds like you agree with my point. 

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1 minute ago, bigbottom said:

Wasn’t intentional. 41.7% shooting percentage for Harden versus 46.2% for Lillard. And yeah, Harden definitely turns over the ball. A lot. But in any event, it sounds like you agree with my point. 

I do agree Harden is ahead of Lillard, but I wouldn't have him ahead of others listed either.  

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7 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

I do agree Harden is ahead of Lillard, but I wouldn't have him ahead of others listed either.  

You wouldn’t have Harden listed ahead of the others as far as offense?  (My comment wasn’t about the MVP listing.). Or you wouldn’t have Lillard ahead of the others  as far as offense?

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6 minutes ago, bigbottom said:

You wouldn’t have Harden listed ahead of the others as far as offense?  (My comment wasn’t about the MVP listing.). Or you wouldn’t have Lillard ahead of the others  as far as offense?

Sorry, MVP.  Thought that's what we were addressing but see this is just an offensive discussion.  At least Houston is winning, which is way more than I can say for Portland. 

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1 minute ago, General Malaise said:

Sorry, MVP.  Thought that's what we were addressing but see this is just an offensive discussion.  At least Houston is winning, which is way more than I can say for Portland. 

Yeah, I was probably less than clear in my post. I was responding specifically to the statement that Lillard was the best offensive player in the league so far this season. 

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