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I like the veteran presence Horford brings and he's a legitimate back up 5 for Joel. Obviously I see them using him at the 4.

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Just now, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Can go small and rest embiid. 

Horford signed to be player/coach a la #### Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

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2 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

Just don’t see how they guard teams in today’s NBA, and losing JJ’s shooting is going to be a killer.

with harris, horford and richardson, they should have better spacing than last year

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Statement from Knicks president Steve Mills:

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"While we understand that some Knicks fans could be disappointed with tonight's news, we continue to be upbeat and confident in our plans to rebuild the Knicks to compete for championships in the future, through both the draft and targeted free agents."

 

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5 minutes ago, caustic said:

That is one gigantic lineup with Simmons, Harris, Horford, and Embiid. Jesus.

Average height is over 6'9" including J-Rich.

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1 minute ago, timschochet said:

First there was conversation about Leonard joining Durant on the Clippers. Then there was conversation about Leonard joining Butler on the Clippers.

I think this is working out nicely for Lakers. I don’t believe he’d go to the Clippers unless another great player was going there and now that’s gone. Unless he stays in Toronto, the Lakers make logical sense for him. 

I agree. And, if so, Clippers are huge losers this offseason.

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And if Kawhi does leave Toronto, and with Durant out for most of all of the year, doesn’t these moves make the 76ers the favorite in the East? 

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2 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

not really sure about the length and amount of this deal though.

hmm, so 97 guaranteed and 12 million in bonuses for championships.  That is a little better.

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2 minutes ago, timschochet said:

And if Kawhi does leave Toronto, and with Durant out for most of all of the year, doesn’t these moves make the 76ers the favorite in the East? 

i'd still say milwaukee because i think it will take a while for the sixers to figure it all out (stop me if you've heard this one before)

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Just now, GOB said:

Modogg having an internal struggle

Sixers just poached a massively important player from Boston, can't imagine how thrilled that guy is right now. :lmao: 

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Using HoopsRumors' rankings, the only top 20 guys left are Leonard, Russell, and Cousins. Then you start getting into the Marcus Morris/Bobby Portis level.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

i'd still say milwaukee because i think it will take a while for the sixers to figure it all out (stop me if you've heard this one before)

We'll see how Milwaukee replaces Brogdon. Philly basically swapped Reddick and Butler for Horford and Ricardson which could be a wash, worse, or better. On paper it seems to make Philly better defensively but worse on offense.

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The most impressive thing of this offseason was the Sixers and Horford keeping that tight of a lid on it. Woj Bomb DEFLECTED.

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1 hour ago, Long Ball Larry said:

Sixers must really be the Horford mystery team.

Great call LBL. Where does this leave the Celts in regards to the ability to sign a big?  

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4 hours ago, thecatch said:

Nets need to flip a couple minor guys. A smart team will bid on Kurucs I think. 

So "according to a Nets insider," Kyrie and KD have agreed to take slightly less than the full max in order to make accommodations for the rest of the roster - that would be pretty big IMO, Kurucs in particular is a nice young depth piece that you'd hate to trade away. 

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2 hours ago, Good Posting Judge said:

So the best 4 teams from the East last year are all likely worse next year?

Bucks maybe but Brogdon did miss about 1/3 of the season and Mirotic stunk for them.  I expect Giannis to be even better though and I like some of the young guys like Brown and Divicenzo.

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3 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said:

elton's gonna be left with his #### in his hand.

again.

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gotta give elton credit.

i don't know if this is really going to work, but these are big moves with big upside and he got creative and they still have the MLE, I think.

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14 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

with harris, horford and richardson, they should have better spacing than last year

They had Harris last year.  And while adequate, neither Horford nor Richardson are great shooters...nowhere near Reddick at least.  

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11 minutes ago, caustic said:

Statement from Knicks president Steve Mills:

While we understand that some Knicks fans could be disappointed with tonight's news, we continue to be upbeat and confident in our plans to rebuild the Knicks to compete for championships in the future, through both the draft and targeted free agents

:lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao: 

Yeahhhh! Just like the last 20 years of rebuilding. It's gonna happen soon folks! Just give us another draft or 2! TITLES GALORE coming up. REALLY!

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6 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

We'll see how Milwaukee replaces Brogdon. Philly basically swapped Reddick and Butler for Horford and Ricardson which could be a wash, worse, or better. On paper it seems to make Philly better defensively but worse on offense.

Great analysis, Shaq.

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RETURN OF THE MILK DUD?

Michael Scotto @MikeAScotto

In addition to the expected additions of Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, DeAndre Jordan and Garrett Temple, Jared Dudley remains interested in re-signing with the Nets, a league source told @TheAthleticNYC. Dudley was a strong locker room presence for Brooklyn last season.

6:44 PM - Jun 30, 2019

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1 minute ago, Long Ball Larry said:

gotta give elton credit.

i don't know if this is really going to work, but these are big moves with big upside and he got creative and they still have room and they still have the MLE, I think.

I don’t know either. Horford seems a bit out of his modern NBA position at 4 in their playoff lineup and I’m not sure where the half court initiation is coming from. JJ has a ton of gravity and obviously Butler was their off the dribble guy. They have to be in win now mode, but even the bad front offices in the league were scared off the fourth year of Horford’s deal. 

I think they’ll only have the room exception, not the MLE, because they signed Horford into space. 

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2 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

They had Harris last year.  And while adequate, neither Horford nor Richardson are great shooters...nowhere near Reddick at least.  

If Simmons can find a groove with him, Horford is deadly on the pick and pop from the elbow/free throw line area.

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6 minutes ago, elguapo07 said:

Great call LBL. Where does this leave the Celts in regards to the ability to sign a big?  

I think they have $5 million left, though $15 if they were to renounce Marcus Morris.

Still have the MLE, so either way, they should be able to get someone decent.  Willie Cauley Stein or Looney could be interesting.  maybe even cousins.

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4 minutes ago, Jayrod said:

Great analysis, Shaq.

Wtf is that supposed to mean? I keep reading people act like Philly made some huge additions? They did but they also lost just as much as they added today. They shuffled the deck in a very expensive way.

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Damn good deal by the Sixers to get Miami's best player in a sign-and-trade. And one that's locked into a very good contract for 3 more years.

Not crazy about paying Horford that amount of coin for 4 years but think that's offset by getting Richardson's contract. 

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4 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

They had Harris last year.  And while adequate, neither Horford nor Richardson are great shooters...nowhere near Reddick at least.  

i am aware that they had Harris, but only for part of the year and they never really integrated everyone.  I agree that Reddick helped to create a lot and he is a loss.  But I think that now they have 3 willing shooters, whereas Butler really wasn't.

I don't know, it will be complicated and I do wish they had kept Reddick.  I really like getting Richardson in, though.

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24 minutes ago, timschochet said:

First there was conversation about Leonard joining Durant on the Clippers. Then there was conversation about Leonard joining Butler on the Clippers.

I think this is working out nicely for Lakers. I don’t believe he’d go to the Clippers unless another great player was going there and now that’s gone. Unless he stays in Toronto, the Lakers make logical sense for him. 

The Lakers are dangerously close to having to sweat out whether they can entice Alec Burks to come start for them. If they whiff on Kawhi, that roster is going to be 3 dudes and a clown show.

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13 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

 Philly basically swapped Reddick and Butler for Horford and Ricardson which could be a wash, worse, or better. 

 

2 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Wtf is that supposed to mean? I keep reading people act like Philly made some huge additions? They did but they also lost just as much as they added today. They shuffled the deck in a very expensive way.

i think it was the "could be a wash, worse or better" line

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3 minutes ago, thecatch said:

I don’t know either. Horford seems a bit out of his modern NBA position at 4 in their playoff lineup and I’m not sure where the half court initiation is coming from. JJ has a ton of gravity and obviously Butler was their off the dribble guy. They have to be in win now mode, but even the bad front offices in the league were scared off the fourth year of Horford’s deal. 

I think they’ll only have the room exception, not the MLE, because they signed Horford into space. 

good point.

I assume that Scott got their room exception, though based on the contract amount (2/9.8)

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2 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

i am aware that they had Harris, but only for part of the year and they never really integrated everyone.  I agree that Reddick helped to create a lot and he is a loss.  But I think that now they have 3 willing shooters, whereas Butler really wasn't.

I don't know, it will be complicated and I do wish they had kept Reddick.  I really like getting Richardson in, though.

Totally agree with the bolded.

Will be fun to see how they integrate these new pieces.  

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1 minute ago, mr. furley said:

 

i think it was the "could be a wash, worse or better" line

But that's the point. It's not clear cut if this even makes Philly better. The only clear thing is that it makes them way more expensive.

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1 minute ago, Long Ball Larry said:

good point.

I assume that Scott got their room exception, though based on the contract amount (2/9.8)

Is Zhaire Smith over his rubella or MRSA or whatever the #### he had last year?

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Are we sure we like commiting to Butler in that kind of deal for Miami? I get paying a premium for him if you're on the cusp of being a top 4 team in the division, but are there other things the Heat can do that will make them something more than a 7/8 seed?

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5 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Wtf is that supposed to mean? I keep reading people act like Philly made some huge additions? They did but they also lost just as much as they added today. They shuffled the deck in a very expensive way.

There was a segment on TNT this year were Shaq said that the team could either score the same amount of points more points or less points in the second half. Bernie could not stop laughing at him because of how silly is analysis was. I was just laughing at the point where you said they could be better worse or the same.

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1 minute ago, Jayrod said:

There was a segment on TNT this year were Shaq said that the team could either score the same amount of points more points or less points in the second half. Bernie could not stop laughing at him because of how silly is analysis was. I was just laughing at the point where you said they could be better worse or the same.

Yes I see what you mean now. The point I was making is they spent a ton of money and may not be any better. $300 million on Harris and Horford and they very well might be worse considering Harris was already there last year and they lost Reddick and Butler. I really like Richardson but there's no guarantee that swapping Butler and Reddick for Hordford and Richardson makes them better.

My Bucks face the same dilemma. Their roster just got way more expensive and they have to find a way to replace Brogdon with a better fit / player.

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In a vacuum I like Butler/Redick over Richardson/Horford. However, Horford’s personality meshes with the team so much better than Butler’s. It will be interesting.

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2 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Yes I see what you mean now. The point I was making is they spent a ton of money and may not be any better. $300 million on Harris and Horford and they very well might be worse considering Harris was already there last year and they lost Reddick and Butler. I really like Richardson but there's no guarantee that swapping Butler and Reddick for Hordford and Richardson makes them better.

My Bucks face the same dilemma. Their roster just got way more expensive and they have to find a way to replace Brogdon with a better fit / player.

Well, if they were going to lose Butler, it is the best they could do really.  They traded Covington, Saric, and dead weight and got back Richardson (is that it in the deal) and Horford.  Do they have other cap space or just the MLE left now?

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8 minutes ago, Good Posting Judge said:

Is Zhaire Smith over his rubella or MRSA or whatever the #### he had last year?

come on now, dude played a minute in the playoffs

and it was ####### surgery on a hole in his esophagus due to an allergic reaction to a still-unknown food.

That is a normal injury. Move on, find a new slant.

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10 minutes ago, Gr00vus said:

Are we sure we like commiting to Butler in that kind of deal for Miami? I get paying a premium for him if you're on the cusp of being a top 4 team in the division, but are there other things the Heat can do that will make them something more than a 7/8 seed?

i honestly don't really understand it all

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