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2019-20 NBA Thread: new forum, same great taste (3 Viewers)
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need2know
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Yeah super risky. And them being the clippers kind of makes me think its not going to work out well for them
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He does love the warm weather (no shtick), that would give me some comfort if I'm a Clips fan.
The one thing that wouldn't give me comfort if I were a Clips fan, is my racist-### owner and the fact that I'm going to Hell.
Gr00vus
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They're the Clippers. Any risk that puts them in the category of legitimate title contender, even for one season, is worth it to that franchise.
GOB
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wikkidpissah
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i sincerely believe its only to line up the 10yr thing - as has been pointed out, he's cost himself a lot of dough doing his own thing the last yr or so - but league volatility does make it so that Kawhi himself can't even count on things going as expected two yrs from now
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mr fancypants
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NutterButter
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Can we get a title change? Its bad enough that Boogie is getting paid like a 5th of what he would've made if he would've accepted the pelicans offer. Do we really need to kick a man when he's down?
Capella
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modogg
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Sixers in 4 against whoever can make it out of the Wesr:
https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/cbo2q1/embiids_been_getting_in_shape_for_the_season/
https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/cbo2q1/embiids_been_getting_in_shape_for_the_season/
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Love the title change. Gotta get Amare in there next
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Oubre signs with Phoenix for 2 years, 30 mil. Jeeee-sus.
Craig_MiamiFL
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Stunning Oubre only got that from the Suns. Victory for them in an otherwise dreadful offseason. Guy was a huge difference maker for them on both ends when they decided to start him (20 PPG, 6RPG, 2 SPG, 1BPG, 47% from field, ) in his final 12 games. Team was .500 in that span (a victory for them considering they won all of 19 all year). That was the only positive from signing Ariza last offseason 
Too bad they massively overspent on Rubio when better fits at PG got far less.
Too bad they massively overspent on Rubio when better fits at PG got far less.
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jhib
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Jayrod
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Step 1: Trade for guy who consistently shut him down
Step 2: Stop him from eating McDonald's every day
Step 3: Championship
Leeroy Jenkins
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It was Chick Fil A
His typical order was: four spicy chicken sandwiches, “no pickle, no anything,” four orders of fries and four cookies and cream milkshakes. The sandwiches alone are 1,800 calories. The fries are anywhere from 1,120 to 1,840 depending on the size. Lastly, we have the milkshakes. You’re looking at 2,440 calories for the smalls and 3,120 calories for the large.
Long Ball Larry
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maybe, but doesn't seem like great upside value. i think at best he plays up to that and then will need to get paid big time at the end of 2 years. Would have been better going longer.Stunning Oubre only got that from the Suns. Victory for them in an otherwise dreadful offseason. Guy was a huge difference maker for them on both ends when they decided to start him (20 PPG, 6RPG, 2 SPG, 1BPG, 47% from field, ) in his final 12 games. Team was .500 in that span (a victory for them considering they won all of 19 all year). That was the only positive from signing Ariza last offseason
Too bad they massively overspent on Rubio when better fits at PG got far less.
and no one else even gave him an offer sheet right?
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Juxtatarot
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The restricted free agent market was very unusual this year. There hasn't been a single offer sheet matched by the original team. The only player I think of that even signed a sheet giving us the will they/won't they match drama was Tyus Jones. Seems like there was a lot more negotiating beforehand.
mr. furley
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ah, yes. the final handful of games in an NBA season for a losing team. the NBA equivalent of the last 1-2 games of a losing NFL team season where random players way outperform their norm, get fans hyped and then crash back to earth when the games count again.
Jayrod
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Boston seems to be stuck with what they have right now to start the season and it is awkward.
They have 5 starting quality players at positions 1-3 (Kemba, Tatum, Hayward, Brown & Smart) and only one starting quality player for the 4 & 5 spots . And Kanter is a defensive weakness. That means a long term commitment to small ball or starting someone who really isn't a starting quality player. I'm guessing it will be a continual rotation of Grant Williams, Robert Williams, Daniel Theis and maybe even Vincent Poirier to try and avoid relying solely on small ball lineups, but Hayward and Tatum will probably be guarding a lot of PF's this season.
The bench will be strong with 1 or 2 of the wings coming in with the second unit and Carsen Edwards, who I'm expecting to see have some big scoring games this season.
And I haven't even mentioned Romeo Langford yet (another wing). He has yet to see the floor in Summer League, but will likely be given time with the second unit to learn and grow. There is also still Tacko Fall, PJ Dozier, RJ Hunter and Brad Wannamaker available to be rostered (for 2 spots).
Here are the players locked in right now (positions are VERY fluid right now):
PG - Kemba, Edwards
SG - Brown, Smart
SF - Tatum, Langford, Ojeleye
PF - Hayward, G Williams, Theis
C - Kanter, R Williams, Poirier
Tremont Waters and Max Strus have been given 2-way contracts already.
Without a trade for a good PF to complement Kanter (i.e. plays good defense), this team's ceiling is a 3 seed in the East and a 2nd round exit.
They have 5 starting quality players at positions 1-3 (Kemba, Tatum, Hayward, Brown & Smart) and only one starting quality player for the 4 & 5 spots . And Kanter is a defensive weakness. That means a long term commitment to small ball or starting someone who really isn't a starting quality player. I'm guessing it will be a continual rotation of Grant Williams, Robert Williams, Daniel Theis and maybe even Vincent Poirier to try and avoid relying solely on small ball lineups, but Hayward and Tatum will probably be guarding a lot of PF's this season.
The bench will be strong with 1 or 2 of the wings coming in with the second unit and Carsen Edwards, who I'm expecting to see have some big scoring games this season.
And I haven't even mentioned Romeo Langford yet (another wing). He has yet to see the floor in Summer League, but will likely be given time with the second unit to learn and grow. There is also still Tacko Fall, PJ Dozier, RJ Hunter and Brad Wannamaker available to be rostered (for 2 spots).
Here are the players locked in right now (positions are VERY fluid right now):
PG - Kemba, Edwards
SG - Brown, Smart
SF - Tatum, Langford, Ojeleye
PF - Hayward, G Williams, Theis
C - Kanter, R Williams, Poirier
Tremont Waters and Max Strus have been given 2-way contracts already.
Without a trade for a good PF to complement Kanter (i.e. plays good defense), this team's ceiling is a 3 seed in the East and a 2nd round exit.
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Long Ball Larry
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it really was a strange offseason overall. it feels like most of the league really had strategized a lot for this offseason and the way that so many pieces moved around in concert was kind of amazing. i guess with so many free agents and so much money, most teams felt like there was a big opportunity and wanted to make sure that they didn't get left out.
Jayrod
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Current odds to win it all:
ETA: I feel like the 3 teams I mentioned should be more like Pacers +1800, Rockets +800, Warriors +1000.
- Los Angeles Clippers +300
- Los Angeles Lakers +400
- Milwaukee Bucks +500
- Philadelphia 76ers +800
- Golden State Warriors +1400
- Houston Rockets +1400
- Denver Nuggets +1600
- Utah Jazz +1600
- Boston Celtics +2000
- Brooklyn Nets +2000
- Toronto Raptors +2000
- Indiana Pacers +3300
- Dallas Mavericks +4000
- Portland Trail Blazers +4000
- Oklahoma City Thunder +5000
- Miami Heat +6600
- New Orleans Pelicans +6600
- San Antonio Spurs +6600
ETA: I feel like the 3 teams I mentioned should be more like Pacers +1800, Rockets +800, Warriors +1000.
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Insein
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Pacers may be better than them now but these are odds to win the title. Raptors are defending champs, Nets may get KD back come playoff time and Boston played better two years ago without Khyrie. It's very unlikely the Pacers win the title with all the other teams they have to go through.
Craig_MiamiFL
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It wasn't their final 12 games. Then again I wouldnt expect you to actually research that
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I have a real tough time evaluating some of these former Wizards. I’ve seen Oubre suck for a number of years, I’m not sure I’m sold he’s a solid starter based on his success in Phoenix at the end of the year. I have a similar issue with Otto Porter; you’ll never convince me he’s a major difference maker even though analytically he’s like a top 30 player.
mr. furley
Footballguy
ah, i see. he was "inactive" the last 9 games. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/oubreke01/gamelog/2019It wasn't their final 12 games. Then again I wouldnt expect you to actually research that
he did post a net -14 plus/minus in the final 12 games you're using as a sample. that's good, right?
on a team that went 19 - 63, it's a mighty impressive feat to put up 17ppg. almost nobody can do that.
his player comps to this point of his career are equally impressive, including NBA luminaries such as MIke Sweetney, Solomon Hill and Scott Williams .
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Don't Noonan
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Bears_Man2
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Yeah he was tremendous for them. His energy was infectious to the team. That Milwaukee home game he was the best player on the court that night. He was the one guy I thought they had to bring back. Win/win for both he and the team. He got his first big money deal. And he has the incentive to keep improving for his next deal. He'll still just be 25 at the end of this deal. Really reasonable deal in a league where Tobias Harris got $180 mil / $36 mil per year. Really just remarkable when you actually look at it.Stunning Oubre only got that from the Suns. Victory for them in an otherwise dreadful offseason. Guy was a huge difference maker for them on both ends when they decided to start him (20 PPG, 6RPG, 2 SPG, 1BPG, 47% from field, ) in his final 12 games. Team was .500 in that span (a victory for them considering they won all of 19 all year). That was the only positive from signing Ariza last offseason
Too bad they massively overspent on Rubio when better fits at PG got far less.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Sixers really need to nab one of Korver, Sefalosha, or Jamal Crawford (my order of preference) to complete their bench. Zhaire and Thybulle have looked good in Summer League though, but they still need a vet who can come in and play with confidence and shoot the spot up 3 or on a handoff.
Long Ball Larry
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Long Ball Larry
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Though I guess CraigMiamiFL is also odd as a Suns fan.
Jayrod
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mr. furley
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Poke_4_Life
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Ramblin Wreck
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The Oklahoma City Thunder have agreed to trade Russell Westbrook to the Houston Rockets for Chris Paul, first-round picks in 2024 and 2026, pick swaps in 2021 and 2025, league sources tell ESPN.
The Oklahoma City Thunder have agreed to trade Russell Westbrook to the Houston Rockets for Chris Paul, first-round picks in 2024 and 2026, pick swaps in 2021 and 2025, league sources tell ESPN.
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Footballguy
Morey has lost his ####### mind.
SHIZNITTTT
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OKC just keeps getting 1st round picks. Looks good
Juxtatarot
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Called it! (Kinda.)
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