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Be nice if we had any economic cards to play.

Nope.  Just another “conservative” disaster.

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35 minutes ago, Daywalker said:

Be nice if we had any economic cards to play.

Nope.  Just another “conservative” disaster.

Take this whining and false statement to one of the Trump whining threads with other misinformation where it belongs. Thanks. 

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Seems a lot of folks here are happy that this virus could kill lots of Americans if it gets their guy in. Almost hoping and cheering. Yet I bring up the fact that the homeless in democrat big cities are in danger from the same threat and I’m horrible?  Sad. Check your glee please. 

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11 hours ago, HellToupee said:

Day in and day out one thing remains constant here in the psf , Orange Man Bad

Was there ever any doubt that a deadly virus from China would be on him in the PSF?:lmao:

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2 minutes ago, boots11234 said:

Seems a lot of folks here are happy that this virus could kill lots of Americans if it gets their guy in. Almost hoping and cheering. Yet I bring up the fact that the homeless in democrat big cities are in danger from the same threat and I’m horrible?  Sad. Check your glee please. 

Isn’t it sickening? All because of their political obsession. Never thought you would see someone this serious and deadly politicized. Yet here we are. 

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1 minute ago, boots11234 said:

Seems a lot of folks here are happy that this virus could kill lots of Americans if it gets their guy in. Almost hoping and cheering. Yet I bring up the fact that the homeless in democrat big cities are in danger from the same threat and I’m horrible?  Sad. Check your glee please. 

A lot? 

Im not one of them @boots11234

I would gladly accept 4 more years of Trump, followed by 8 years of Don Jr, if we could solve this virus right now. 

Also while I think Trump is awful as you know, I also think that he is being unfairly blamed for this situation. He’s said some dumb things but he hasn’t made any wrong decisions that I’m aware of. 

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1 hour ago, tonydead said:

Wrong.  He’s -130 against the field right now  

How many times has a 1st term President lost reelection? Bush Sr, Carter, Taft, Cleveland, Van Buren, JQ Adams. I think that’s the list, it’s a short one. And populist nationalism is hard to lose on. I think you have to see Trump as the favorite.

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29 minutes ago, boots11234 said:

Seems a lot of folks here are happy that this virus could kill lots of Americans if it gets their guy in. Almost hoping and cheering. Yet I bring up the fact that the homeless in democrat big cities are in danger from the same threat and I’m horrible?  Sad. Check your glee please. 

Where in the world did you come up with that based on what has been posted in this thread? People are happy this virus could kill lots of Americans if it enables a Democrat to win? And they are expressing glee over that? You have got to be kidding. That is really a sick take on the discussion here IMO and I hope this is some kind of shtick rather than an expression of  your honest opinion. 

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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

Lol. That’s because it’s “the field”. When the field narrows to one guy he’s not going to be the favorite. Sorry to disappoint you. 

Wrong, you could take Biden right now and get Bernie to boot. . Hes favored to win against both of them put together, that's how "the field" works. . We been through this before and you dont understand how it works. Kind of like how you think the best thing for the virus is for a whole bunch of people to get it. 

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53 minutes ago, timschochet said:

A lot? 

Im not one of them @boots11234

I would gladly accept 4 more years of Trump, followed by 8 years of Don Jr, if we could solve this virus right now. 

Also while I think Trump is awful as you know, I also think that he is being unfairly blamed for this situation. He’s said some dumb things but he hasn’t made any wrong decisions that I’m aware of. 

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29 minutes ago, squistion said:

Where in the world did you come up with that based on what has been posted in this thread? People are happy this virus could kill lots of Americans if it enables a Democrat to win? And they are expressing glee over that? You have got to be kidding. That is really a sick take on the discussion here IMO and I hope this is some kind of shtick rather than an expression of  your honest opinion. 

If that is truly a Trump supporter's worldview, they don't deserve to win another election ever. It's bad enough to misrepresent an opponent's opinion, but to believe that someone is actually cheering on a potentially disastrous disease? That's a disturbing disconnect from reality, more so since Trump has either cut way back on healthcare funds, or has tried to and failed.

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8 minutes ago, tonydead said:

No it isn’t and you really misunderstood what I wrote. I don’t want anyone to die. I wanted a lot of people to get a MILD case of the virus and recover so that we could know the mortality rate which many experts suspect is extremely low, and that would stop the panic and actually save lives. And none of it had anything to do with political reasons. But I know you know this already; why are you making false attacks? 

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18 minutes ago, tonydead said:

Wrong, you could take Biden right now and get Bernie to boot. . Hes favored to win against both of them put together, that's how "the field" works. . We been through this before and you dont understand how it works. Kind of like how you think the best thing for the virus is for a whole bunch of people to get it. 

Tell you what: let’s see what the odds are once the Democratic nominee has been chosen. If Trump is still favored I will admit I was wrong about this. 

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1 hour ago, boots11234 said:

Seems a lot of folks here are happy that this virus could kill lots of Americans if it gets their guy in. Almost hoping and cheering. Yet I bring up the fact that the homeless in democrat big cities are in danger from the same threat and I’m horrible?  Sad. Check your glee please. 

This is complete BS. 

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1 hour ago, GoBirds said:

Was there ever any doubt that a deadly virus from China would be on him in the PSF?:lmao:

People are not blaming him for a virus. People are holding him accountable for his politicization of the issue and his “leadership”.

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8 hours ago, boots11234 said:

Seems a lot of folks here are happy that this virus could kill lots of Americans if it gets their guy in. Almost hoping and cheering. Yet I bring up the fact that the homeless in democrat big cities are in danger from the same threat and I’m horrible?  Sad. Check your glee please. 

No way. We have been told repeatedly that they are the “good guys.”

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1 hour ago, knowledge dropper said:

No way. We have been told repeatedly that they are the “good guys.”

:kicksrock:

So we're just ignoring the people repeatedly telling the truth in how wrong that statement was now?

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8 hours ago, The General said:

Somehow Trump is the victim here. So weird.

well it IS a hoax dreamed up by the Deep State and Fake News Media to make Trump look bad.  

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8 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

well it IS a hoax dreamed up by the Deep State and Fake News Media to make Trump look bad.  

And they even paid off Italy just to make it look worse.

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10 hours ago, timschochet said:

A lot? 

Im not one of them @boots11234

I would gladly accept 4 more years of Trump, followed by 8 years of Don Jr, if we could solve this virus right now. 

Also while I think Trump is awful as you know, I also think that he is being unfairly blamed for this situation. He’s said some dumb things but he hasn’t made any wrong decisions that I’m aware of. 

We havent been able to do meaningful testing while other countries can.  Snuffing it out early is the whole ballgame.  This was a major failure and will need to be examined so it doesnt happen again.

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1 hour ago, Kal El said:

So we're just ignoring the people repeatedly telling the truth in how wrong that statement was now?

Truth?  We have had at least a couple posters post their fantasy stories of the First Family catching the coronavirus.  @boots11234 Is probably referencing that and those that condone such posts?

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8 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Truth?  We have had at least a couple posters post their fantasy stories of the First Family catching the coronavirus.  @boots11234 Is probably referencing that and those that condone such posts?

That's a far cry from rooting for mass deaths, and those foolish enough to post those thoughts should have been properly disciplined, because that's wrong to do.

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10 hours ago, timschochet said:

No it isn’t and you really misunderstood what I wrote. I don’t want anyone to die. I wanted a lot of people to get a MILD case of the virus and recover so that we could know the mortality rate which many experts suspect is extremely low, and that would stop the panic and actually save lives. And none of it had anything to do with political reasons. But I know you know this already; why are you making false attacks? 

How is stopping this "panic" going to save lives exactly? People worried about it is making them safer, and you want to stop that. lol

Maybe try not posting every stupid thought that pops into your head.  Try thinking about what you are saying first. That way you dont have to keep waffling about changing your stance and explaining what your wrote every 5 minutes. 

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22 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Truth?  We have had at least a couple posters post their fantasy stories of the First Family catching the coronavirus.  @boots11234 Is probably referencing that and those that condone such posts?

Whatever it takes!  

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interesting take.  
 

Trey Felder (@TbirdTr3y_10)

3/9/20, 10:56 AM

If you didn't blame Obama for approx. 12,000 American swine flu deaths (and I didn't), but want to turn around and somehow pin approx. 22 corona virus on Trump/Pence, then YOU are the freaking problem with political discourse in this country. Full stop.

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1 hour ago, Daywalker said:

We havent been able to do meaningful testing while other countries can.  Snuffing it out early is the whole ballgame.  This was a major failure and will need to be examined so it doesnt happen again.

That is a failure. But I don’t see how President Trump is responsible. 

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1 minute ago, timschochet said:

That is a failure. But I don’t see how President Trump is responsible. 

The buck stops there.

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37 minutes ago, tonydead said:

How is stopping this "panic" going to save lives exactly? People worried about it is making them safer, and you want to stop that. lol

Maybe try not posting every stupid thought that pops into your head.  Try thinking about what you are saying first. That way you dont have to keep waffling about changing your stance and explaining what your wrote every 5 minutes. 

It wasn’t something that popped into my head. It was a point made by a medical guy on the news which at first I thought sounded awful and then compelling and later on maybe not. In either case it wasn’t stupid. Stopping panic saves lives because this virus threatens to overwhelm our entire medical system. 

Perhaps YOU should try to understand what you are reading before quoting it in a pointless attempt to attack others. HTH

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2 minutes ago, timschochet said:

That is a failure. But I don’t see how President Trump is responsible. 

Of course he is Tim....we should have millions of tests on hand for all potential viruses. We will use psychic powers to determine what all these potential viruses will be and when they will hit. No excuses, now get faux raged?@$!!!!!!! 

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1 minute ago, BigSteelThrill said:

The buck stops there.

Yes it does. But I’m specifically referring to the lack of tests. 

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1 minute ago, GoBirds said:

Of course he is Tim....we should have millions of tests on hand for all potential viruses. We will use psychic powers to determine what all these potential viruses will be and when they will hit. No excuses, now get faux raged?@$!!!!!!! 

I'm not sure anyone is blaming Trump for the virus.  I think they are blaming how is he handling the government response to it (there's a whole thread on it).  He and his administration consistently send the message that we have it contained.  Do we?

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9 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

If you didn't blame Obama for approx. 12,000 American swine flu deaths (and I didn't), but want to turn around and somehow pin approx. 22 corona virus on Trump/Pence, then YOU are the freaking problem with political discourse in this country. Full stop.

I'm not getting into Trump here, but IIRC Obama declared a public health emergency 3 months before there was a pandemic. I think there were like 20 cases at the time. I don't think Obama is special in this regard, the country has had a pretty responsive national health threat response attitude since WW2. If you're interested in what was going on back then here's a NYT report from April 2009.

- A President isn't supposed to be a medical expert, any more than he's supposed to be an economic expert. He needs to speak firmly, deliver a consistent message, get maximum information out, and let the medical experts set the policy and then give them the full support for resources they need.

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1 minute ago, GoBirds said:

Of course he is Tim....we should have millions of tests on hand for all potential viruses. We will use psychic powers to determine what all these potential viruses will be and when they will hit. No excuses, now get faux raged?@$!!!!!!! 

It’s very difficult to try and keep an objective mind about Trump, whom as you know I sincerely believe to be an awful, corrupt President who should have been removed by the Senate. His detractors blame him for everything that goes wrong, which is very unfair. His defenders tend to attempt to justify his every statement and action no matter how absurd or rotten. I don’t like the guy at all, but he still deserves impartial  evaluation at all times; everyone does. In this instance I think he’s being unduly blames for things he has no control over. 

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13 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Yes it does. But I’m specifically referring to the lack of tests. 

Him placing John Bolton in charge didn't have any negative effects?  Under Bolton they dissolved his Global Health Security team formerly on the NSC leaving bare the administration's high level preparation for and ability to respond to pandemics, infectious disease, and other biological threats.

No responsibility?

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1 minute ago, BigSteelThrill said:

Him placing John Bolton in charge didn't have any negative effects?  Under Bolton they dissolved his Global Health Security team formerly on the NSC leaving bare the administration's high level preparation for and ability to respond to pandemics, infectious disease, and other biological threats.

No responsibility?

I’m specifically referring to the lack of tests. And in a broader sense, to Trump’s actions (not statements) since this crisis began. I agree with you that his decisions prior to the crisis, with regard to government spending on medical emergencies in general deserve criticism, though it’s important to note that these were in keeping with basic conservative philosophy. 

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40 minutes ago, timschochet said:

In this instance I think he’s being unduly blames for things he has no control over. 

Eh, good moves: getting on the $8 billion emergency package, appointing Messonnier, Birx and Fauci on the leadership team. And I'll even give marks for Pence who locked arms with Inslee, just as an example.

Bad moves: inconsistent messaging, mixing in the political hoax claims with serious messaging about the virus itself, killing the NSC health security section, elimination of the Homeland Security Adviser position, closing the Complex Crisis Fund, and withholding the national security threat assessment report.

- I'd just be wary of getting into what is a pretty clumsy move to cut off criticism of the President. He obviously doesn't deserve blame for the virus.

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On 3/9/2020 at 9:56 AM, HellToupee said:

Day in and day out one thing remains constant here in the psf , Orange Man Bad

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58 minutes ago, timschochet said:

 In this instance I think he’s being unduly blames for things he has no control over. 

From what I can tell, he's being blamed for downplaying the severity of Coronavirus, saying the flu is worse, saying it was contained or will be shortly, and focusing on the stock market more than the health of the American people.

I'd say those are accurate.

What is he being blamed for that he has no control over?

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6 minutes ago, HellToupee said:
On 3/9/2020 at 6:56 AM, HellToupee said:

Day in and day out one thing remains constant here in the psf , Orange Man Bad

Daily bump

Trump does this for you with his morning cry/troll sesh on Twitter.

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11 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

None at all and certainly no more than Washington Governor Jay Insley has, who Trump called "a snake," yet also has given Trump credit for handling of Covid-29.

And it is obvious why both choose this tact as they may fear that since Trump is known to be vindictive, negative comments might result in some retaliation by POTUS against their states in the future. Add to that there would be the accusations that they are unnecessarily politicizing this pandemic crisis and making this situation worse by fear mongering by calling the government response inadequate.

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25 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Probably about the same as those on the right who speak out against Trump.   

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27 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Here's the actual report that BB is referencing.

- He was asked about Trump's public statements and like Inslee he refused to get into them. - I think it's interesting Newsome is distinguishing what Trump said to him privately.

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16 minutes ago, squistion said:

None at all and certainly no more than Washington Governor Jay Insley has, who Trump called "a snake," yet also has given Trump credit for handling of Covid-29.

And it is obvious why both choose this tact as they may fear that since Trump is known to be vindictive, negative comments might result in some retaliation by POTUS against their states in the future. Add to that there would be the accusations that they are unnecessarily politicizing this pandemic crisis and making this situation worse by fear mongering by calling the government response inadequate.

So no chance Trump is actually doing a good job?  

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45 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

This is how leaders and functioning adults deal with issues that are important to everyone. 

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8 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

So no chance Trump is actually doing a good job?  

I didn't say or suggest that. Just noting that Newsom and Insley have a vested interest in staying on Trump's good side. 

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2 hours ago, timschochet said:

Yes it does. But I’m specifically referring to the lack of tests. 

How did South Korea do it?

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