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12 hours ago, Don Quixote said:

Throwing this out for discussion... your Top Ten film noirs?  I’m going to put some thought into this one today/tonight.

Not sure my list looks too different from Wikkid so I’ll do 3 mini lists

Classic Noir

The Big Sleep

The Big Heat

Out of the Past

The Third Man

Double Indemnity 

Lesser known Noirs 

The Breaking Point 

Scarlet Street

Sudden Fear

The Narrow Margin

Where the Sidewalk Ends

Neo-noirs

Chinatown

Night Moves

Fargo

The Long Goodbye

LA Confidential 

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5 hours ago, wikkidpissah said:

wikkid's Top Ten Noirs

2. The Maltese Falcon - Huston set the tone for the form and no one's improved on it

Yep, John Huston in is his directorial debut really set the ball rolling. This and Gun for Hire to me really kicked off the noir as a major American movement. Gun for Hire has Lake/Ladd which is ace pairing, Graham Greene wrote it which is about as good as it gets. I just wish someone other than Frank Tuttle was directing it. He films it about as straight up as it gets. Someone of just slightly more skill could have really done something special with it.

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15 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Yep, John Huston in is his directorial debut really set the ball rolling. This and Gun for Hire to me really kicked off the noir as a major American movement. Gun for Hire has Lake/Ladd which is ace pairing, Graham Greene wrote it which is about as good as it gets. I just wish someone other than Frank Tuttle was directing it. He films it about as straight up as it gets. Someone of just slightly more skill could have really done something special with it.

Gun for Hire was on this weekend, but i missed it. Good one, but my fave Lake/Ladd noir is The Blue Dahlia, from an original Raymond Chandler script. They're great together and there's a topnotch nutso meltdown from Wm Bendix in it.

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47 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

Gun for Hire was on this weekend, but i missed it. Good one, but my fave Lake/Ladd noir is The Blue Dahlia, from an original Raymond Chandler script. They're great together and there's a topnotch nutso meltdown from Wm Bendix in it.

Watching it on DVR right now and I might have misjudged Tuttle the first time. The second half of the film has some real nice noir shots. This might have been every bit as influential on noir as The Maltese Falcon. Unlike TMF, TGFH gets out and moves a lot more- not everything is so confined to apartments. 

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Alright, here’s mine.  Love the lists so far.  Added some movies to my watchlist....

  1. The Third Man - Just about the perfect movie to me.  The zither. Post-war Vienna. Orson Welles, Joseph Cotten. Carol Reed and the cinematography. 
  2. Out of the Past - Probably the film that turned me onto early film noir.
  3. Sunset Boulevard - Combines my interest in film noir with silent movies.  Billy Wilder can’t be beat.
  4. Chinatown
  5. Miller’s Crossing 
  6. The Big Sleep - Quintessential Bogie and Bacall.
  7. The Big Lebowski - Going a bit off chalk here — it qualifies as a noir to me.  The Dude is Marlowe.
  8. Blue Collar - Not quite the traditional movie that one would associate with noir (Richard Pryor as star and the Captain Beefheart music, for a couple), but the story is all noir.  It is a heist one in the vein of The Killing. I think this one gets over-looked too much. Holds up pretty well.
  9. Gun Crazy - Dalton Trumbo classic. Early precursor to previous selection, Bonnie and Clyde.
  10. Touch of Evil - Director’s cut version. Love the opening tracking shot more than anything, but the movie is great overall.

 

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I dig A Simple Plan, I've prob seen it 5 or 6.times over the years.

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OK. I am working on my list. I am not going to list them in any particular order - just as they come to me. Also, I am not looking for the "best"; I am looking for the ones that touched me the most. I have my first entry now.

The Secret Life of Walter Mitty - this is listed under "Noir comedies / parodies" by Wikipedia.

I first saw this '85 when we were preparing for a stage production of it. I played the Narrator that would fill the space between various skits pulled from the original. I can't say it was my favorite role that I ever played, but I did get to finished the production with a 10 minute monologue where I would also paint an oil on canvas of a flower. That was probably my favorite scene to play. The multitasking made it more interesting that the other stuff I have done.

I also really enjoyed the '13 version with Ben Stiller.

 

More coming.

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Anyone watch either of them yet on Amazon? How’s the picture quality?

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16 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Anyone watch either of them yet on Amazon? How’s the picture quality?

i would have watched both by now cuz i'm on a free trial, but i've fallen in love with Mrs Maisel and a new season of her comes up in Dec so i'll be signed up long enough to have time to push my memory refresh of Noirvember selections til just before deadline, when it's best

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Just now, wikkidpissah said:

i would have watched both by now cuz i'm on a free trial, but i've fallen in love with Mrs Maisel and a new season of her comes up in Dec so i'll be signed up long enough to have time to push my refresh of memory on Noirvember selections til just before deadline, when it's best

Isn’t that show wonderful? She’s a dream.

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1 minute ago, Ilov80s said:

Isn’t that show wonderful? She’s a dream.

I must be in love, because there's quite a bit that needs forgiving (continuity & era wise) w MMM but, unlike any other show i've ever seen, i am not only willing to forgive but look forward to opportunities to do so, like a heartsick freshman. #### up!

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3 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

I must be in love, because there's quite a bit that needs forgiving (continuity & era wise) w MMM but, unlike any other show i've ever seen, i am not only willing to forgive but look forward to opportunities to do so, like a heartsick freshman. #### up!

The funniest part is the kids who seem to come and go as the show needs them. She’s the worst mom on TV but who cares, she’s perfect to me!

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2 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

The funniest part is the kids who seem to come and go as the show needs them. She’s the worst mom on TV but who cares, she’s perfect to me!

That's more accurate than you might imagine. I came in a little late and quite a bit poor for the phenomenon, but nanny-raised was the dream. I was reared as a piece of ethnic furniture for neighbors & relatives to be impressed by. My mother would have had us laminated if she could. I would have KILLED to be ignored.

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45 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Anyone watch either of them yet on Amazon? How’s the picture quality?

Picture quality looked fine to me. I watched The Killing on an iPad, and A Simple Plan through a Fire Stick.

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8 minutes ago, Don Quixote said:

Picture quality looked fine to me. I watched The Killing on an iPad, and A Simple Plan through a Fire Stick.

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55 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Anyone watch either of them yet on Amazon? How’s the picture quality?

Plan on rocking both on bluray.  The Killing is one of the Criterion that I have at home.  

I have noticed that Amazon's picture quality can be sketchy at times, but I guess that could be our internet too (maybe it's lagging and the app switches to a lower resolution or something?)

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I'm watching the Lawrence of Arabia restoration on a flip-phone right now. Seems fine...

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Just now, wikkidpissah said:

I'm watching the Lawrence of Arabia restoration on a flip-phone right now. Seems fine...

:lol: 

 

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21 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

:penalty:

Yeah, I know. I was traveling for work when I watched it. Sometimes best option.

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29 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

Plan on rocking both on bluray.  The Killing is one of the Criterion that I have at home.  

I have noticed that Amazon's picture quality can be sketchy at times, but I guess that could be our internet too (maybe it's lagging and the app switches to a lower resolution or something?)

Yeah Amazon doesn’t have the quality control Netflix does 

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On 11/16/2019 at 11:01 AM, Eephus said:
On 7/19/2019 at 5:00 PM, The Man With No Name said:

The Anderson Tapes-

Was the first major film to focus on the pervasiveness of electronic surveillance, from security cameras in public places to hidden recording devices

The Anderson Tapes is showing tonight on TCM.

Check your local listings.

We made it around to watching The Anderson Tapes before it goes off streaming on Sunday.

It's an entertaining heist movie that used surveillance as a gimmick to frame the film and occasionally bump the plot along.  It didn't have as much to say about the serious themes explored by the movie club films. 

Connery was strong as usual and it was a hoot to see what passed for state of the art technology in 1971.  Some of the character stereotypes were kind of cringey but that's not unusual for a movie from a half century ago.

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2 minutes ago, Eephus said:

We made it around to watching The Anderson Tapes before it goes off streaming on Sunday.

It's an entertaining heist movie that used surveillance as a gimmick to frame the film and occasionally bump the plot along.  It didn't have as much to say about the serious themes explored by the movie club films. 

Connery was strong as usual and it was a hoot to see what passed for state of the art technology in 1971.  Some of the character stereotypes were kind of cringey but that's not unusual for a movie from a half century ago.

Saw it as well. It was ok but a long long way off in quality and message from The Conversation.

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TCM is airing an often overlooked 70s revisionist noir on Sunday during the late football window.  Check your local listings.

The Late Show starts off innocently enough when a hippie dippie Lily Tomlin seeks out old gumshoe Art Carney to find her missing cat but things go downhill from there.  The movie works well as both a character piece and a convoluted whodunit.  It was written and directed by Robert Benton who wrote Bonnie and Clyde. 

The closest comparison is Altman's version of The Long Goodbye.  I prefer The Late Show because it's aware of its own mythology but not excessively.  Carney is also a better center than Elliott Gould who I can never buy into as Marlowe.

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On 11/18/2019 at 12:04 PM, Ilov80s said:

Scarlet Street

This movie is really twisted.

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Cool Netflix guide to neo-noir that mentions some films they have in their catalogue is found here. 

I’ve seen both Noirvember movies (both great) but will try to re-watch to at least follow along in the discussion here.

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Midnight tonight on TCM - Kansas City Confidential. Have seen it multiple times and liked it from the beginning. John Payne, Preston Foster, Lee Van Cleef,  Jack Elam, Coleen Gray (The Killing)

From wiki: 

The plot served as inspiration for Quentin Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs.

 

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On 11/22/2019 at 3:18 PM, Eephus said:

In other news, I got a new movie-themed* tattoo last weekend.

 

 

 

*they're also Mrs. Eephus' initials

Eephus is pumped! 💪

I am a little behind on my list, as I am working on my photos from the Mayor Pete fund raiser in Lexington on Thursday night.

However, I have #2.

Arsenic and Old Lace

We put this on in '86. I only had a bit part (I did more in the 2nd feature however, A Thurber Carnival - too bad it's not a noir). Anyways, the actress who played the maid (Edit: I think it was a maid. It was not an original role, iirc.) was a major crush for me. And, on my birthday, we all went to see the The Rocky Horror Picture Show. I dressed as Riff Raff.

I was too shy to make the 1st move. Luckily, she wasn't. 

Backstage for this run was the best of my life.

As far as the movie. Top notch. Cary Grant is quite the athlete; I love his "body humor". Highly recommended.

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39 minutes ago, Man of Constant Sorrow said:

Eephus is pumped! 💪

I am a little behind on my list, as I am working on my photos from the Mayor Pete fund raiser in Lexington on Thursday night.

However, I have #2.

Arsenic and Old Lace

We put this on in '86. I only had a bit part (I did more in the 2nd feature however, A Thurber Carnival - too bad it's not a noir). Anyways, the actress who played the maid (Edit: I think it was a maid. It was not an original role, iirc.) was a major crush for me. And, on my birthday, we all went to see the The Rocky Horror Picture Show. I dressed as Riff Raff.

I was too shy to make the 1st move. Luckily, she wasn't. 

Backstage for this run was the best of my life.

As far as the movie. Top notch. Cary Grant is quite the athlete; I love his "body humor". Highly recommended.

Yes. Love that movie. It doesn't seem to be very well known about for some unknown reason.

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I just watched The Killing. It was a fun flick and I always enjoy the jumping around in time and settings. I noticed the deaths were a little on the dramatic side. For a second there when the russian had his shirt removed I thought we were watching George the Animal Steel. As telegraphed as the ending was it was still fun. A cool flick but I doubt I ever watch it again.

I will try to watch the second movie this week. I have seen that one in the past and I remember being disappointed. I am willing to give it a second watch as that cast is so good I don't understand how I could not like the movie.

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I also want to give a shout out to the guy who played the shooter. His clinched teeth while talking was an interesting delivery.

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37 minutes ago, prosopis said:

I also want to give a shout out to the guy who played the shooter. His clinched teeth while talking was an interesting delivery.

Timothy Carey.  He was great in Paths of Glory too.  

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Relevant to the thread... I was just reading that Michael J. Pollard (who played C.W. Moss in Bonnie & Clyde) passed away the other day.

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2 hours ago, Don Quixote said:
2 hours ago, prosopis said:

I also want to give a shout out to the guy who played the shooter. His clinched teeth while talking was an interesting delivery.

Timothy Carey.  He was great in Paths of Glory too.  

Interesting guy who made an impression in everything he appeared in.

He was offered the role of Luca Brazzi in The Godfather, tested for the Lawrence Tierney part in Reservoir Dogs and was originally cast as the rival electronics salesman in The Conversation before leaving the production.

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4 minutes ago, Eephus said:

Interesting guy who made an impression in everything he appeared in.

He was offered the role of Luca Brazzi in The Godfather, tested for the Lawrence Tierney part in Reservoir Dogs and was originally cast as the rival electronics salesman in The Conversation before leaving the production.

Definitely interesting when the first question asked is, “Are you generally known around the industry as a farter?”

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Please Murder Me

What a snake Angela Lansbury was. Raymond Burr may have gotten his Perry Mason gig off his portrayal of an attorney in this. Poor quality recording, but I liked the story that moved along and didn't drag. 7/10

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If you can't get enough content, here's a list of 60 film noir films that have lapsed into the public domain. 

Some of the movies mentioned in the thread recently (KC Confidential, Please Murder Me, Scarlett Street) are available.  I'm currently watching the one with Johnny Cash and it's a hoot.

2007 animated noir Key Lime Pie is worth 3 1/2 minutes of your time.

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A Simple Plan was much better than I remembered. Thornton really shined and I believed, understood, and sympathized with his sacrifice.

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Alrighty. I have completed my "noir" list. As stated earlier, this is not a "best of" list, rather a "most touched me" list. I have a mix of "noirs", "neo-noirs" and "noir parodies".

Previously listed (write ups are posted up-thread):

a) The Secret Life of Walter Mitty

b) Arsenic and Old Lace

 

The rest of the list:

c) The Trial - I was turned on to this Orson Welles classic when it was posted by wikkid in another movie thread here. It is a surreal take on a man caught up in the legal system; based on the book by Franz Kafka. Much of my life was caught up in the legal system. My experience was as absurd as this movie. I only watched it twice and hope I never have to watch it again. It is weird. And wonderful. But way tooooo taxing to tackle again. 

d) Blade Runner -  I was a Star Wars kid. When H. Ford appeared in this in '82, I went. I didn't get it all at 14 yo, and doubt I even get it all now, but I've always loved it.

e) Miller's Crossing - Besides being a Dapper Dan man, I am also a Coen Bro man. This movie moved me. Note: I also considered The Big Lebowski here. (See up thread for my antics with the true Dude. That encounter touched me too.)

f) The Hustler - Gleason and Newman and Scott, oh my! Plus, the trip to the Kentucky Derby was sweet. 

g) High Plains Drifter - Welcome to Hell, partner ...

h) The Manchurian Candidate - The mind play is what brought me ... the Chairman of the Board is what kept me. Oh, I like the '04 version as well.

i) Pi - It's an irrational number at its best.

j) The Dark Knight - I first saw this on a wedding cruise for my buddy @Adam Harstad back in '08. We had been at sea for about 3 days when the sea sickness hit me like a Mack Truck. Plus, I had been drinking waaaayy to much up until that point. So, I essentially spent the last day in my bunk room puking, sweating and hallucinating that I was in the movie - as I watched. Batman scared this #### outta me. Did I mention the diarrhea? 

 

So, that's it.

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32 minutes ago, Man of Constant Sorrow said:

Alrighty. I have completed my "noir" list. As stated earlier, this is not a "best of" list, rather a "most touched me" list. I have a mix of "noirs", "neo-noirs" and "noir parodies".

Previously listed (write ups are posted up-thread):

a) The Secret Life of Walter Mitty

b) Arsenic and Old Lace

 

The rest of the list:

c) The Trial - I was turned on to this Orson Welles classic when it was posted by wikkid in another movie thread here. It is a surreal take on a man caught up in the legal system; based on the book by Franz Kafka. Much of my life was caught up in the legal system. My experience was as absurd as this movie. I only watched it twice and hope I never have to watch it again. It is weird. And wonderful. But way tooooo taxing to tackle again. 

d) Blade Runner -  I was a Star Wars kid. When H. Ford appeared in this in '82, I went. I didn't get it all at 14 yo, and doubt I even get it all now, but I've always loved it.

e) Miller's Crossing - Besides being a Dapper Dan man, I am also a Coen Bro man. This movie moved me. Note: I also considered The Big Lebowski here. (See up thread for my antics with the true Dude. That encounter touched me too.)

f) The Hustler - Gleason and Newman and Scott, oh my! Plus, the trip to the Kentucky Derby was sweet. 

g) High Plains Drifter - Welcome to Hell, partner ...

h) The Manchurian Candidate - The mind play is what brought me ... the Chairman of the Board is what kept me. Oh, I like the '04 version as well.

i) Pi - It's an irrational number at its best.

j) The Dark Knight - I first saw this on a wedding cruise for my buddy @Adam Harstad back in '08. We had been at sea for about 3 days when the sea sickness hit me like a Mack Truck. Plus, I had been drinking waaaayy to much up until that point. So, I essentially spent the last day in my bunk room puking, sweating and hallucinating that I was in the movie - as I watched. Batman scared this #### outta me. Did I mention the diarrhea? 

 

So, that's it.

Love the originality on this list

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1 hour ago, Man of Constant Sorrow said:

Alrighty. I have completed my "noir" list. As stated earlier, this is not a "best of" list, rather a "most touched me" list. I have a mix of "noirs", "neo-noirs" and "noir parodies".

Previously listed (write ups are posted up-thread):

a) The Secret Life of Walter Mitty

b) Arsenic and Old Lace

 

The rest of the list:

c) The Trial - I was turned on to this Orson Welles classic when it was posted by wikkid in another movie thread here. It is a surreal take on a man caught up in the legal system; based on the book by Franz Kafka. Much of my life was caught up in the legal system. My experience was as absurd as this movie. I only watched it twice and hope I never have to watch it again. It is weird. And wonderful. But way tooooo taxing to tackle again. 

d) Blade Runner -  I was a Star Wars kid. When H. Ford appeared in this in '82, I went. I didn't get it all at 14 yo, and doubt I even get it all now, but I've always loved it.

e) Miller's Crossing - Besides being a Dapper Dan man, I am also a Coen Bro man. This movie moved me. Note: I also considered The Big Lebowski here. (See up thread for my antics with the true Dude. That encounter touched me too.)

f) The Hustler - Gleason and Newman and Scott, oh my! Plus, the trip to the Kentucky Derby was sweet. 

g) High Plains Drifter - Welcome to Hell, partner ...

h) The Manchurian Candidate - The mind play is what brought me ... the Chairman of the Board is what kept me. Oh, I like the '04 version as well.

i) Pi - It's an irrational number at its best.

j) The Dark Knight - I first saw this on a wedding cruise for my buddy @Adam Harstad back in '08. We had been at sea for about 3 days when the sea sickness hit me like a Mack Truck. Plus, I had been drinking waaaayy to much up until that point. So, I essentially spent the last day in my bunk room puking, sweating and hallucinating that I was in the movie - as I watched. Batman scared this #### outta me. Did I mention the diarrhea? 

 

So, that's it.

some of these are only noir during winter in Greenland, but it's always dark in somebody's soul

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18 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

some of these are only noir during winter in Greenland, but it's always dark in somebody's soul

Didn't I mention that the wedding cruise was off the coast of Greenland?

December in fact.

We burnt a yule log and trimmed some bushes.

 

*Blame wikipedia - I know squat about genre-definitions.

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4 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

genre?! we don't need no steengkeeng genres!

:goodposting:

Yeah! Screw movies tooo! 

This club suxxors.

I'm outta here! 🤸‍♂️

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Bought and am watching the blu ray of L.A. Confidential. I am not sure how great of an improvement this blu ray is over the dvd or netflix version, but it's the best noir of the last 30 years.

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These always sneak up on me as I put them off until before discussion.  Need to get my rewatch on tonight and tomorrow.  

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13 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

These always sneak up on me as I put them off until before discussion.  Need to get my rewatch on tonight and tomorrow.  

holidays and my new blu ray obsession has thrown me off

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On 11/29/2019 at 4:39 PM, Man of Constant Sorrow said:

I'm looking for the best rental options now, as I don't subscribe to Amazon.

According to justwatch:

A Simple Plan - $2.99 / $3.99 (HD)

The Killing - $2.99 / $3.99 (HD)

 

Sorry, I didn't see this before.  I don't have an answer, but was wondering if Amazon has a month-to-month option.  I would probably be worth it for these two, plus whatever we add for next month?

I always pimp going to the library, but not sure how feasible of an option that is around your area.  

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