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Joe Biden under fire for celebrating segregationists (1 Viewer)

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Corey Booker, Liz Warren and Kamala Harris all responding-

Joe Biden, recalling the "civility" of the Senate in the 1970s and '80s, on Tuesday touted his experience working with two segregationist Southern senators to get "things done" — unleashing a torrent of criticism from his Democratic rivals, some of whom denounced the comments in very personal terms by citing their own race.

Speaking at a fundraiser at New York City's Carlyle Hotel, Biden brought up the names of Sens. James Eastland of Mississippi and Herman Talmadge of Georgia, both Democrats who were staunchly opposed to desegregation. Eastland chaired the Senate Judiciary Committee when Biden entered the Senate — a committee he would later chair.

"I was in a caucus with James O. Eastland," the former vice president said. "He never called me 'boy.' He always called me 'son.'"

Of Talmadge, Biden said he was "one of the meanest guys I ever knew, you go down the list of all these guys."

Another Democratic candidate, Sen. Cory Booker, who is African American, called on Biden to apologize.

"You don't joke about calling black men ‘boys.’ Men like James O. Eastland used words like that, and the racist policies that accompanied them, to perpetuate white supremacy and strip black Americans of our very humanity," Booker said in a statement.

"Vice President Biden’s relationships with proud segregationists are not the model for how we make America a safer and more inclusive place for black people, and for everyone," Booker added. "I have to tell Vice President Biden, as someone I respect, that he is wrong for using his relationships with Eastland and Talmadge as examples of how to bring our country together."

Later Wednesday, Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris — both presidential contenders — responded to Biden's comments.

"I’m not here to criticize other Democrats, but it's never OK to celebrate segregationists," Warren said. "Never."

Harris said she was "deeply" concerned about Biden's remarks.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-cites-segregationist-senators-he-recalls-past-civility-senate-n1019211

 
There's a bigger discussion in here about the tolerant to all but intolerants. 

I've got no love for Biden, but all he stated was that he had a history of working with people he didn't agree with 100% (which used to be a good thing in American politics) and now is getting thrown to the wolves.

Biden wasn't celebrating the accomplishments of the two Senators most of us hadn't heard of before today. Biden was celebrating his own accomplishments about moving the country forward. 

So now, the candidates named above seem to be staking the principle that even positive results with imperfect partners is "intolerance" and cannot be tolerated. That's a far cry from where Popper was going. 

 
OK. About a month ago I acknowledged that there would be gaffes with Biden. But I predicted that, much like with Trump in 2015, these gaffes would make no difference whatsoever in terms of his support and that his numbers would stay steady. Basically, the news would talk about it but the voters won’t give a damn. 

So this is the first real test of that theory. Let’s see if I’m right. 

 
Basically what we’re about to find out is if Trump was unique, and the old rules still apply to all other politicians, or if Trump’s campaign ushered in a new attitude among voters in which they simply don’t give a damn about gaffes. I’m betting it’s the latter, but we’ll see. 

 
Basically what we’re about to find out is if Trump was unique, and the old rules still apply to all other politicians, or if Trump’s campaign ushered in a new attitude among voters in which they simply don’t give a damn about gaffes. I’m betting it’s the latter, but we’ll see. 
I think this will be true in the GE - not sure about the primaries.  

 
CNN)An unapologetic Joe Biden defended his remarks about working with segregationist senators on Wednesday, telling reporters that "there's not a racist bone in my body." 

Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey, one of the former vice president's rivals for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, had called on Biden to apologize for remarks he had made at a fundraiser Tuesday evening in New York. 

"Apologize for what?" Biden told CNN when asked about Booker's call outside a fundraiser Wednesday evening in Rockville, Maryland. 

Cory should apologize," he said. "He knows better. There's not a racist bone in my body. I've been involved in civil rights my whole career." 
Corey Booker should apologize!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/19/politics/joe-biden-segregationists-cory-booker/index.html

 
Get used to it.  Biden says so many goofy things this will be the tip of the iceberg.    If he is nominated I'll still vote for him to be rid of Trump but I would really like one of the parties to put forth a candidate that can speak intelligently.

 
Basically what we’re about to find out is if Trump was unique, and the old rules still apply to all other politicians, or if Trump’s campaign ushered in a new attitude among voters in which they simply don’t give a damn about gaffes. I’m betting it’s the latter, but we’ll see. 
Biden’s gaffes create the impression that he’s similar to Trump character wise, and therefore gives license to Conservatives and moderates to vote for their party.  Not that most wont anyway, but I’d prefer we put up someone like Warren who is a stark contrast to Trump.  

 
Consider who made the OP. Hint: not a Democrat, not a liberal or progressive.

I’d agree, pick who you want as a Democrat in the primary. But just remember in the general the whole point for Trump is to recreate the 2016 rubric out of whole cloth. Voter suppression of the black vote and scorched earth resentment within the party. That’s it, that’s the strategy, and that’s what I think you can get out of posts like the OP here by Trump supporters.

 
Biden’s gaffes create the impression that he’s similar to Trump character wise, and therefore gives license to Conservatives and moderates to vote for their party.  Not that most wont anyway, but I’d prefer we put up someone like Warren who is a stark contrast to Trump.  
Gaffes like this won't matter in the general election especially in MI, PA, WI. I worry more about his health and stamina, which could make a difference. He won't be branded as socialist, but the label will stick wirh Warren. Biden's electability is key.

 
This isn’t rocket science. Biden attracts the center away from Trump. But he also gets the all of the base and the progressives; they will still be passionate and highly motivated to vote not because they love Biden but because they hate Trump. Biden gets the black vote; they will return to Obama numbers mainly because of Trump. 

No other Democratic candidate can pull that off at the present time. Conceivably that could change; maybe someone like Amy Klobuchar whom we haven’t been discussing will emerge in the debates, who knows? But at the moment Biden has the best shot of beating Trump, period, full stop. And he should beat him. 

This latest “gaffe” ultimately helps Biden IMO. Anything that allows him separation from progressives in the party works in his favor no matter the reason. Plus I don’t think the voters are going to be happy about the piling on by his rivals over these comments. Right now Democrats have almost no tolerance for infighting and sniping among the candidates. All they care about is beating Trump. 

 
There’s a big difference between celebrating segregationists and celebrating segregation.

I personally celebrate slave-owners from time to time, including George Washington.

 
We really need Biden and AOC to button up and say as little as possible in the coming year.  Every time they both open their mouths it is a disaster.  Then we have Booker and Harris ripping on Biden.   If Biden get the nomination Trump will use other Dems words to bash him.

I said from the start if we lose it will be from self destruction and it has already started.

 
We really need Biden and AOC to button up and say as little as possible in the coming year.  Every time they both open their mouths it is a disaster.  Then we have Booker and Harris ripping on Biden.   If Biden get the nomination Trump will use other Dems words to bash him.

I said from the start if we lose it will be from self destruction and it has already started.
Biden is going to say a lot of cringe-worthy stuff.  That isn't going to change.  

 
Here are articles by CNN as of 11:42 this morning--all right on top of each other:

Analysis: Biden refuses to apologize, getting in his own way on race

Opinion: Biden is stuck in the wrong century

CNN's John King: I don't know what to call Biden's comments except stupid 

Analysis: So, who's the No. 2 Democrat in 2020

Now I don't know why the liberal bible doesn't seem to like Joe...But this can't be good.  The BEST chance the dems have to beat President Trump, in my opinion, is Biden.  but if the liberal go-to for news is slaughtering him, he won't survive.   You'd think Pelosi might call CNN and ask them to lay off?

 
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Consider who made the OP. Hint: not a Democrat, not a liberal or progressive.

I’d agree, pick who you want as a Democrat in the primary. But just remember in the general the whole point for Trump is to recreate the 2016 rubric out of whole cloth. Voter suppression of the black vote and scorched earth resentment within the party. That’s it, that’s the strategy, and that’s what I think you can get out of posts like the OP here by Trump supporters.
So only Democrats, liberals or progressives are allowed to start threads about 2020 Democrat candidate buffoonery in the news? Makes sense.

 
Here are articles by CNN as of 11:42 this morning--all right on top of each other:

Analysis: Biden refuses to apologize, getting in his own way on race

Opinion: Biden is stuck in the wrong century

CNN's John King: I don't know what to call Biden's comments except stupid 

Analysis: So, who's the No. 2 Democrat in 2020

Now I don't know why the liberal bible doesn't seem to like Joe...But this can't be good.  The BEST chance the dems have to beat President Trump, in my opinion, is Biden.  but if the liberal go-to for news is slaughtering him, he won't survive.   You'd think Pelosi might call CNN and ask them to lay off?
CNN is not the liberal bible.

CNN is not the liberal go-to for news.

CNN doesn't take orders from Pelosi.

And once again Biden is hyped as the best Democratic candidate by someone who wants to see Republicans win in 2020.

 
Here are articles by CNN as of 11:42 this morning--all right on top of each other:

Analysis: Biden refuses to apologize, getting in his own way on race

Opinion: Biden is stuck in the wrong century

CNN's John King: I don't know what to call Biden's comments except stupid 

Analysis: So, who's the No. 2 Democrat in 2020

Now I don't know why the liberal bible doesn't seem to like Joe...But this can't be good.  The BEST chance the dems have to beat President Trump, in my opinion, is Biden.  but if the liberal go-to for news is slaughtering him, he won't survive.   You'd think Pelosi might call CNN and ask them to lay off?
This is a great point and I have noticed it also. They don’t seem to be carrying his water like they do with other Democrats.  Biden definitely won’t win or even get the nomination without the MSM.

 
This is a great point and I have noticed it also. They don’t seem to be carrying his water like they do with other Democrats.  Biden definitely won’t win or even get the nomination without the MSM.
You would think, after all the experts on this board saying the ONLY way Trump loses is if Biden wins the nomination, that CNN, the king of Trump hating, would pick up that ball and run with it.  But no...  Maybe  they know--- Trump loses the election their ratings die. They NEED Trump to stay in office.

 
This isn’t rocket science. Biden attracts the center away from Trump. But he also gets the all of the base and the progressives; they will still be passionate and highly motivated to vote not because they love Biden but because they hate Trump. Biden gets the black vote; they will return to Obama numbers mainly because of Trump. 

No other Democratic candidate can pull that off at the present time. Conceivably that could change; maybe someone like Amy Klobuchar whom we haven’t been discussing will emerge in the debates, who knows? But at the moment Biden has the best shot of beating Trump, period, full stop. And he should beat him. 

This latest “gaffe” ultimately helps Biden IMO. Anything that allows him separation from progressives in the party works in his favor no matter the reason. Plus I don’t think the voters are going to be happy about the piling on by his rivals over these comments. Right now Democrats have almost no tolerance for infighting and sniping among the candidates. All they care about is beating Trump. 
This is the same logic you used to say HRC was the most electable candidate in 2016. Biden is only slightly, if at all, more exciting than Clinton was. He is a gaffe machine and has a lengthy history that will probably be easily exploited to make him look bad. His only advantage over HRC's candidacy is that he's not hated quite as much. I won't be surprised, at all, if he were to be the candidate that he fails to generate enough interest to beat Trump. The Democrats can, and should, do better than him if they want to win.

 
Glad to see we're back to the petty gotcha politics.

We all know what he meant.  Most of us know he meant well by his comments.  

We should just move on and not try to score stupid political points on poorly worded comments when we know he doens't celebrate segregation, doesn't like that the guy was a segregationist, wouldn't endorse folks using "boy" language...and on and on.

Who can beat their chests the loudest and decry racism and bigotry and use those cries against a guy who...decries racism and bigotry.

 
The grand (and somewhat humorous) irony is that the left-wing Democrats smell blood and are sabotaging their best chance at beating Trump far better than Trump ever could himself.

 
Biden is only slightly, if at all, more exciting than Clinton was.
I don't think they're in the same ballpark. Clinton was far more exciting (to Republicans) than Biden is, at least so far. That was Clinton's downfall.

 I won't be surprised, at all, if he were to be the candidate that he fails to generate enough interest to beat Trump.
Anyone who fails to generate interest will beat Trump. The only challengers who might lose to him are the ones who generate too much interest.

 
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Glad to see we're back to the petty gotcha politics.

We all know what he meant.  Most of us know he meant well by his comments.  

We should just move on and not try to score stupid political points on poorly worded comments when we know he doens't celebrate segregation, doesn't like that the guy was a segregationist, wouldn't endorse folks using "boy" language...and on and on.

Who can beat their chests the loudest and decry racism and bigotry and use those cries against a guy who...decries racism and bigotry.
This is exactly right.

First, the thread title is absurd. Biden wasn’t celebrating segregationists. I’ll just assume that was tongue in cheek and not some weak trolling. 

Second, this is the second issue that I remember since Biden announced his candidacy that he handled very well after the “controversy” went into the press, the first being the silly touching, hugging thing.

He explained himself well in both instances in the face of journalists quickly and appropriately instead of tip toeing around with some overly PC BS.

If this offends some Huffpost OpEd writer - oh well. 

I believe this type of responses to these contrived issues would appeal to most middle of the road voters.

 
I don't think they're in the same ballpark. Clinton was far more exciting (to Republicans) than Biden is, at least so far. That was Clinton's downfall: she was the most exciting person in modern history to the people who believed that she was literally Satan.

Anyone who fails to generate interest will beat Trump. The only challengers who might lose to him are the ones who generate interest.
This makes no sense. Trump won the first time at least somewhat due to apathy/ambivalence.

 
We really need Biden and AOC to button up and say as little as possible in the coming year.  Every time they both open their mouths it is a disaster.  Then we have Booker and Harris ripping on Biden.   If Biden get the nomination Trump will use other Dems words to bash him.

I said from the start if we lose it will be from self destruction and it has already started.
FoxNewsGOPConservatives are always going to find something to be outraged about.  I don't want AOC curtailing her power because she's worried about Hannity dousing his bots with her words.

 
That's just a more lengthy reiteration of what you already said. It still doesn't make sense - apathy and lack of appeal aren't winning strategies. You have to make people care enough to get out to vote for you more so than your opponent does with their would be supporters. I'm not advocating catering to the fringe or running on nothing besides "not Trump", but enthusiasm for your candidacy is necessary to the degree it incites people to actually vote for you rather than not bothering to vote at all. I find Biden susceptible to voter apathy. Granted at this point he is favored in the head to heads with Trump, I think that will deteriorate as the campaign proceeds.

 

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