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Hispanic Identity Fades Across Generations as Immigrant Connections Fall Away

11% of American adults with Hispanic ancestry do not identify as Hispanic

BY MARK HUGO LOPEZ, ANA GONZALEZ-BARRERA AND GUSTAVO LÓPEZ

More than 18% of Americans identify as Hispanic or Latino, the nation’s second largest racial or ethnic group. But two trends – a long-standing high intermarriage rate and a decade of declining Latin American immigration – are distancing some Americans with Hispanic ancestry from the life experiences of earlier generations, reducing the likelihood they call themselves Hispanic or Latino.

Among the estimated 42.7 million U.S. adults with Hispanic ancestry in 2015, nine-in-ten (89%), or about 37.8 million, self-identify as Hispanic or Latino. But another 5 million (11%) do not consider themselves Hispanic or Latino, according to Pew Research Center estimates. The closer they are to their immigrant roots, the more likely Americans with Hispanic ancestry are to identify as Hispanic. Nearly all immigrant adults from Latin America or Spain (97%) say they are Hispanic. Similarly, second-generation adults with Hispanic ancestry (the U.S.-born children of at least one immigrant parent) have nearly as high a Hispanic self-identification rate (92%), according to Pew Research Center estimates.

By the third generation – a group made up of the U.S.-born children of U.S.-born parents and immigrant grandparents – the share that self-identifies as Hispanic falls to 77%. And by the fourth or higher generation (U.S.-born children of U.S.-born parents and U.S.-born grandparents, or even more distant relatives), just half of U.S. adults with Hispanic ancestry say they are Hispanic.

Among adults who say they have Hispanic ancestors (a parent, grandparent, great grandparent or earlier ancestor) but do not self-identify as Hispanic, the vast majority – 81% – say they have never thought of themselves as Hispanic, according to a Pew Research Center survey of the group. When asked why this is the case in an open-ended follow-up question, the single most common response (27%) was that their Hispanic ancestry is too far back or their background is mixed.

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An offshoot of the AOC thread.  But as Hispanics experience upward mobility after a couple generations into the American middle class, more and more no longer see themselves as anything but white.  

People from Spain are kind of shocked that they are viewed as non-white in America.  They consider themselves white Europeans and think American concepts are absurd. 

So while some Democrats may want to drool over the prospects of the changing demographics in the US, there is the likihood that future generations will not embrace the identity politics which the Democrats so heavily depend upon.   On the otherhand, Trump successfully played the opposite side in an ugly way.

I for one hope as we become even more of a melting pot and these lines between groups fades as their definitions become even more absurd, that both these types of racially based politics disappears and we can discuss real issues.  

 
11% of American adults with Hispanic ancestry do not identify as Hispanic
Stop the presses! Only 89% of those with Hispanic ancestry identify as Hispanic.

Obviously time to rethink this racial classification.  :coffee:

 
Think about the ethnic heritage of those that are 4th generation Latino. How much Indigenous vs. African vs. European heritage of those that came to the US 100+ years ago vs those arriving now? I bet those ratios have changed a bunch over time.

 
Democrats shouldn’t drool over the increasing number of Latinos because Latinos, like almost every other immigrant and minority group in American history, tend to be socially conservative. 

In fact, if Republicans weren’t so hellbent on this anti undocumented immigrant thing, they would have every chance of attracting a majority of Latinos or at least a  significant minority. Karl Rove realized this 10 years ago and tried to move the GOP in that direction. But with Trump they’ve gone the opposite way. Now they will pay the price for decades to come. And what was gained? 

 
jon_mx said:
I for one hope as we become even more of a melting pot and these lines between groups fades as their definitions become even more absurd, that both these types of racially based politics disappears and we can discuss real issues.  
Welcome to Texas!

 
Democrats shouldn’t drool over the increasing number of Latinos because Latinos, like almost every other immigrant and minority group in American history, tend to be socially conservative. 

In fact, if Republicans weren’t so hellbent on this anti undocumented immigrant thing, they would have every chance of attracting a majority of Latinos or at least a  significant minority. Karl Rove realized this 10 years ago and tried to move the GOP in that direction. But with Trump they’ve gone the opposite way. Now they will pay the price for decades to come. And what was gained? 
Am hoping for a third party if it is going to keep playing Trump politics.  

 
So if someone says they hate Hispanics, that means they are not racist? Okie Dokie.
No, no one said anything about hating Hispanics.  Hispanics is a term made up to describe an ethnic group of which there are a dozen plus origins.   He was accurately pointing out it is not a race.  

 
The key factor being by the forth generation it goes down to 50 percent.  
So you're saying that as soon as they can pass for white they abandon their ethnic heritage  to avoid discrimination, amirite?  [/snark]

For one example, the baseball Hall of Famer Ted Williams, whose mother was of mostly Mexican heritage claimed that "If I had my mother's name, there is no doubt I would have run into problems in those days, [considering] the prejudices people had in Southern California".  My guess is if he'd had his mothers name and had darker skin (like a lot of his cousins apparently did) he probably would have still got to the major leagues but he wouldn't have been on Tom Yawkey's team.

 
So you're saying that as soon as they can pass for white they abandon their ethnic heritage  to avoid discrimination, amirite?  [/snark]

For one example, the baseball Hall of Famer Ted Williams, whose mother was of mostly Mexican heritage claimed that "If I had my mother's name, there is no doubt I would have run into problems in those days, [considering] the prejudices people had in Southern California".  My guess is if he'd had his mothers name and had darker skin (like a lot of his cousins apparently did) he probably would have still got to the major leagues but he wouldn't have been on Tom Yawkey's team.
A good piece of anecdotal from the 1940's which has no bearing on today.   

 
A good piece of anecdotal from the 1940's which has no bearing on today.   
There is a very vocal group of Americans that think Mexicans are rapists, drug dealers, murderers, human traffickers, ms13 members, and other bad hombres. Identifying as white could be because they were raised here in the US away from their Mexican family members, or because they don’t want to pay a higher interest rate on a home loan, or be denied a home loan, or a job, or any other “subconscious” racism still lingering. 

 
Also, as I recall Asian Americans also break strongly Democrat, and immigration from East and South Asian have continued to grow.

 
So a Hispanic couple have a child. That child marries a non-Hispanic. That child's 1/2 Hispanic child marries a non-Hispanic and has a child. That 1/4 Hispanic child marries a non-Hispanic and has a child.  Are we shocked that this 4th generation child doesn't consider herself Hispanic because of a 1/8th blood-line?  I have no idea what the country of origin of my great-great-grandparents was, and I certainly don't identify with whatever country they came from. There's a family legend that one of them was Native American, but I'm certainly not going to identify as such and get nicknamed Pocahontas. I sure hope politicians from 150 years ago weren't counting on my family's demographics today.

 
jon_mx said:
Hispanic Identity Fades Across Generations as Immigrant Connections Fall Away

11% of American adults with Hispanic ancestry do not identify as Hispanic

BY MARK HUGO LOPEZ, ANA GONZALEZ-BARRERA AND GUSTAVO LÓPEZ

More than 18% of Americans identify as Hispanic or Latino, the nation’s second largest racial or ethnic group. But two trends – a long-standing high intermarriage rate and a decade of declining Latin American immigration – are distancing some Americans with Hispanic ancestry from the life experiences of earlier generations, reducing the likelihood they call themselves Hispanic or Latino.

Among the estimated 42.7 million U.S. adults with Hispanic ancestry in 2015, nine-in-ten (89%), or about 37.8 million, self-identify as Hispanic or Latino. But another 5 million (11%) do not consider themselves Hispanic or Latino, according to Pew Research Center estimates. The closer they are to their immigrant roots, the more likely Americans with Hispanic ancestry are to identify as Hispanic. Nearly all immigrant adults from Latin America or Spain (97%) say they are Hispanic. Similarly, second-generation adults with Hispanic ancestry (the U.S.-born children of at least one immigrant parent) have nearly as high a Hispanic self-identification rate (92%), according to Pew Research Center estimates.

By the third generation – a group made up of the U.S.-born children of U.S.-born parents and immigrant grandparents – the share that self-identifies as Hispanic falls to 77%. And by the fourth or higher generation (U.S.-born children of U.S.-born parents and U.S.-born grandparents, or even more distant relatives), just half of U.S. adults with Hispanic ancestry say they are Hispanic.

Among adults who say they have Hispanic ancestors (a parent, grandparent, great grandparent or earlier ancestor) but do not self-identify as Hispanic, the vast majority – 81% – say they have never thought of themselves as Hispanic, according to a Pew Research Center survey of the group. When asked why this is the case in an open-ended follow-up question, the single most common response (27%) was that their Hispanic ancestry is too far back or their background is mixed.

____________________

An offshoot of the AOC thread.  But as Hispanics experience upward mobility after a couple generations into the American middle class, more and more no longer see themselves as anything but white.  

People from Spain are kind of shocked that they are viewed as non-white in America.  They consider themselves white Europeans and think American concepts are absurd. 

So while some Democrats may want to drool over the prospects of the changing demographics in the US, there is the likihood that future generations will not embrace the identity politics which the Democrats so heavily depend upon.   On the otherhand, Trump successfully played the opposite side in an ugly way.

I for one hope as we become even more of a melting pot and these lines between groups fades as their definitions become even more absurd, that both these types of racially based politics disappears and we can discuss real issues.  
That's America, Bro.  That's how it be. 

 
Yeah...seems typical the further removed from your ancestors coming to this country you get.

Even more so if people have married and procreated with people of other ethnic backgrounds and races.

 
Seems like as good as thread as any to report this: MSNBC just had a focus group of Latino voters from Florida:  Cubans, Venezuelans, Puerto Ricans. All Democrat, none of them like Trump at all. But: 

1. Only one of them liked Bernie Sanders or Warren. 

2. The rest stated that they could not vote for Bernie or Warren. Some of them said that if this were the choice they’d go with Trump based on “better with the Devil you know...” 

3. They couldn’t get past the word “socialism”. They don’t like it. No difference between socialism and Democratic socialism. To them, socialism means Cuba and Venezuela. One of them made the point that Bernie had been buddies with Fidel Castro. 

4. Venezuela is a big issue. That’s the one issue that they all agreed with Trump on. They want to see how the Democratic candidate, whomever it is, responds to Venezuela. They will be watching very carefully. 

People like this will decide who wins in Florida. I hope the Democrats are paying attention. 

 
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3. They couldn’t get past the word “socialism”. They don’t like it. No difference between socialism and Democratic socialism. To them, socialism means Cuba and Venezuela. One of them made the point that Bernie had been buddies with Fidel Castro. 
This is why Bernie will never be elected as I pointed out repeatedly in 2016. Labeling oneself as a Socialist is politically the kiss-of-death in running for POTUS. I provided a link probably a dozen times to the annual Gallup poll in which people are asked (paraphrasing) which is the biggest disqualifier for a candidate as President and being a Socialist beat all other choices including race, religion and sexual orientation.

 
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People like this will decide who wins in Florida. I hope the Democrats are paying attention. 
I thought the same thing, but in 2018, they didn't.  It was the old people (again) and the northern whites that align more closely with southern Georgia and Alabama than southern Florida.

 
I thought the same thing, but in 2018, they didn't.  It was the old people (again) and the northern whites that align more closely with southern Georgia and Alabama than southern Florida.
Off year. Minorities historically are less motivated. This time Trump is on the ballot 

 

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