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What is school for? (1 Viewer)

gianmarco said:
What is school for?

Some interesting points made and something to think about.
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Which points were those?  Lots of misleading facts.  The video shows all kids at various levels of school like elementary and high school.  But then throws out 'facts' like the founder of facebook and apple were 'dropouts'?   Yeah, he did not mention it was Harvard, not Rosemont High.  Or that the founder of IKEA did not even go to school.  Well yes he did, he just did not go to college.  These people excelled in school.  Very very disingenious.  To say that America's greatest presidents (Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln) had zero education, is very misleading.  Sure Washington and Lincoln were mostly self-educated, but they were very well read and studied very hard.  Ben Franklin had 'zero education'.   He attended school until he was twelve and then became an apprentise.  He was also a very avid reader who continued educating himself.  Teddy Roosevelt no education?  He was mostly home schooled and his no education included Harvard University were he excelled and graduated and went on to Columbia.   What a bunch of misleading info and outright lies.    

 
jon_mx said:
Which points were those?  Lots of misleading facts.  The video shows all kids at various levels of school like elementary and high school.  But then throws out 'facts' like the founder of facebook and apple were 'dropouts'?   Yeah, he did not mention it was Harvard, not Rosemont High.  Or that the founder of IKEA did not even go to school.  Well yes he did, he just did not go to college.  These people excelled in school.  Very very disingenious.  To say that America's greatest presidents (Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln) had zero education, is very misleading.  Sure Washington and Lincoln were mostly self-educated, but they were very well read and studied very hard.  Ben Franklin had 'zero education'.   He attended school until he was twelve and then became an apprentise.  He was also a very avid reader who continued educating himself.  Teddy Roosevelt no education?  He was mostly home schooled and his no education included Harvard University were he excelled and graduated and went on to Columbia.   What a bunch of misleading info and outright lies.    
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That's a terrible rap though.

 
I don’t disagree with the assertion that curriculum should be altered, but I disagree with the sentiment that just because he doesn’t use something, it meant learning it was worthless. 

 
jon_mx said:
Which points were those?  Lots of misleading facts.  The video shows all kids at various levels of school like elementary and high school.  But then throws out 'facts' like the founder of facebook and apple were 'dropouts'?   Yeah, he did not mention it was Harvard, not Rosemont High.  Or that the founder of IKEA did not even go to school.  Well yes he did, he just did not go to college.  These people excelled in school.  Very very disingenious.  To say that America's greatest presidents (Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln) had zero education, is very misleading.  Sure Washington and Lincoln were mostly self-educated, but they were very well read and studied very hard.  Ben Franklin had 'zero education'.   He attended school until he was twelve and then became an apprentise.  He was also a very avid reader who continued educating himself.  Teddy Roosevelt no education?  He was mostly home schooled and his no education included Harvard University were he excelled and graduated and went on to Columbia.   What a bunch of misleading info and outright lies.    
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Yea, pointing to outliers like this should always be taken as the exception, and not the rule. 

I have relatives who were/are home-schooled in a fairly casual manner, and they are essentially ruined as young adults, because guess what - they don't have Ben Franklin's curiosity and thirst for self-improvement. But they are good at Fortnite.   

 
1.  Give poor people a chance to improve their lives

2.  Brainwash young people to believe the government's version of history

3.  Make learning so mind-numbingly boringm the populace will be happy to remain ignorant

4.  Keep an eye on bad kids so they can be entered into the correction system at an early age

 
elementary school should be 85% about requiring from children those counter-intuitive elements of learning which makes them grow, 15% about cooperation & 0% about making children happy (ETA: oh, and negative 1000% about making parents happy)

one does not make good athletes by finding new ways of making sport more fun & colorful & less boring. one makes athletes by promoting general strength and flexibility, then identifying talents and weaknesses and promoting and compensating for those, practicepracticepractice, add game theory when ready. one works out not to make the ball or bat lighter but to increase capacity for performance of difficult, unlikely & unexpected tasks in order to successfully handle moments of extremity. mentally, it's relatively the same thing. train them to grow & use. duh

 
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wikkidpissah said:
elementary school should be 85% about requiring from children those counter-intuitive elements of learning which makes them grow, 15% about cooperation & 0% about making children happy (ETA: oh, and negative 1000% about making parents happy)

one does not make good athletes by finding new ways of making sport more fun & colorful & less boring. one makes athletes by promoting general strength and flexibility, then identifying strengths and weaknesses and promoting and compensating for those, practicepracticepractice, add game theory when ready. one works out not to make the ball or bat lighter but to increase capacity for performance of difficult, unlikely & unexpected tasks in order to successfully handle moments of extremity. mentally, it's relatively the same thing. train them to grow & use. duh
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But you don't try to "make good athletes" out of those who have no talent and no interest in sports. You use all those things to improve the ones who do have talent/interest and you don't waste time on the others. That's not an option for education: while it may work for the portion of the class who has ability and desire, there is a large percentage who don't and who still need to be educated.  Making  things more fun & less boring is a way to reach those children.

 
I used to teach a class in high school that focused on a lot of the things that he said were missing from his education. It taught self-discovery, time management, career exploration, how to succeed in the workplace, and how to relate and get along with others. I also taught them how to balance a budget, write a business letter and resume, how to fill out a job application. Our textbooks were practical guides like 7 Habits for Highly Effective Teens and How to Win Friends and Influence People. You know what? Most of the students hated it because it wasn't math, science, language arts, social studies, or another class they traditionally associated with school.

Eventually, the class got replaced by one that helped students pass their end-of-course test in English.

I've long espoused the idea that public education after 7th or 8th grade should be optional, and I truly believe that "keeping the kids off the street" is/was a motivator for mandatory high school. Think how much more effectively and efficiently high schools could be run if the only ones there were ones who wanted to be there. Think how much more those kids would get out of it. Think how much more motivated they would be to get the most out of it once the burden of "forced to be there" was removed.

 
Despyzer said:
I used to teach a class in high school that focused on a lot of the things that he said were missing from his education. It taught self-discovery, time management, career exploration, how to succeed in the workplace, and how to relate and get along with others. I also taught them how to balance a budget, write a business letter and resume, how to fill out a job application. Our textbooks were practical guides like 7 Habits for Highly Effective Teens and How to Win Friends and Influence People. You know what? Most of the students hated it because it wasn't math, science, language arts, social studies, or another class they traditionally associated with school.

Eventually, the class got replaced by one that helped students pass their end-of-course test in English.

I've long espoused the idea that public education after 7th or 8th grade should be optional, and I truly believe that "keeping the kids off the street" is/was a motivator for mandatory high school. Think how much more effectively and efficiently high schools could be run if the only ones there were ones who wanted to be there. Think how much more those kids would get out of it. Think how much more motivated they would be to get the most out of it once the burden of "forced to be there" was removed.
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The  issue wouldn't go away because most parents would make their kids attend you would still have schools full of kids who didn't want to be there. 

Walking Boot said:
To give jobs to teachers and administrators that otherwise have zero useful skills that benefit society, and to allow them to illegally unionize so they can force the state into bankruptcy. 

Win-win. 
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You are right, it should be a way for private businesses to generate profit. 

 
Walking Boot said:
To give jobs to teachers and administrators that otherwise have zero useful skills that benefit society, and to allow them to illegally unionize so they can force the state into bankruptcy. 

Win-win. 
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Our society trending towards prioritizing education less and less is contributing to many of our current short comings. 

 
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