I totally forgot Klobuchar. Really liked what I saw/read a while back.Klobuchar, Buttigieg
If this is your definition of "moderate" which I don't buy at all by the way, then take Biden off the list. He was part of an administration and tried to help push through a government run option for healthcare. Has Klobucher changed her position from "Medicare for All might be the future, but what about now"? If not, that seems to be disqualifying by your premise as well. Or is it "moderate" to be ok with M4A in the future, just not right now? I can't speak to the others...haven't paid much attention to them.Booker and Mayor Pete support Medicare for all, decriminalizing border crossings. They are not moderates. Biden, Bennett , Klobuchar, Hickenlooper are the only moderate Democrats.
He actually is, people won’t admit it because they’re blinded by hate , but he is.Looks like President Donald J. Trump is the moderate/centrist candidate you’ve been dreaming of.
She's my choice by a lot. But it is hard to see a path for her.matuski said:I totally forgot Klobuchar. Really liked what I saw/read a while back.
I gotta catch up on Butti.
Somewhere between this Green New Deal nonsense and Sarah Palin.You guys should really start out with a definition of "moderate". If a thread ever needed it, this one does
Hint: Having solidly left positions and solidly right (if not extreme right) positions, doesn't make one a moderate.....especially when the solutions are not moderate solutions.
It's funny you say this...with the sprint to the right the GOP has done, I was jokingly going to use Sarah Palin as the marker for moderate when looking at things through the GOP lensSomewhere between this Green New Deal nonsense and Sarah Palin.
Tariffs are not a centrist position. And there is a difference between enforcing border laws and Trump’s nativist bigotry.How about a candidate that supports tariffs, criminal justice reform, gay marriage, lower taxes and enforcing our countries border laws?
Looks like President Donald J. Trump is the moderate/centrist candidate you’ve been dreaming of.
You could be right on Palin.It's funny you say this...with the sprint to the right the GOP has done, I was jokingly going to use Sarah Palin as the marker for moderate when looking at things through the GOP lens
I'll vote for Biden and a few others noted here all day every day over Trump.How about a candidate that supports tariffs, criminal justice reform, gay marriage, lower taxes and enforcing our countries border laws?
Looks like President Donald J. Trump is the moderate/centrist candidate you’ve been dreaming of.
How about a candidate that supports tariffs, criminal justice reform, gay marriage, lower taxes and enforcing our countries border laws?
Looks like President Donald J. Trump is the moderate/centrist candidate you’ve been dreaming of.
Hate? Its not hate to say that tariffs aren't moderate position? It isn't hate to say that Trump’s stance in immigration isn't a moderate position? It isn't hate to say his tax cut that benefited then rich and corporations more than anyone else isn't a moderate position? It isn't hate to say that his attack on the media isn't a moderate position? It isn't hate to say he isn't a moderate. Because he isn't one.He actually is, people won’t admit it because they’re blinded by hate , but he is.
I see a huge battle going on for control of the Dem party. Yes, there are some who want to go further left and they are fighting to do so. It's also true that they are fighting people within the party who are resisting going that direction. That fight isn't happening in the GOP...they're off to the races and anyone not on board is left behind or pushed out.You could be right on Palin.
I am more of the perception that the sprint to the right has slowed drastically relative to that of the left.
I think this is a pretty common position among the candidates other than the progressive wingPerfect example is healthcare. Propose a public option. Allow the government to compete in the already established private sector like they do with the USPS. If they can offer a better product, the market will tell them that.
I didn’t even mention his foreign policy being to the left of Biden. President Trump is 100% the only moderate candidate in the 2020 race.He actually is, people won’t admit it because they’re blinded by hate , but he is.
President Trump is way too moderate for me on a host of issues. When this happens I sit up late in my study drinking bourbon watching old 2016 Ted Cruz speeches wondering what could have been.Tariffs are not a centrist position. And there is a difference between enforcing border laws and Trump’s nativist bigotry.
But the biggest problem for centrists with Donald Trump is his rejection of the established role of the USA which has essentially kept the peace of the world since 1945: NATO and our international commitments.
And when was the last peace President that we had? Pragmatic and levelheadedI didn’t even mention his foreign policy being to the left of Biden. President Trump is 100% the only moderate candidate in the 2020 race.
CNN) - Joe Biden says he opposes fellow Democratic presidential contenders' push for a "Medicare for All" program because such an overhaul of the nation's health system could not coexist with the Affordable Care Act.If this is your definition of "moderate" which I don't buy at all by the way, then take Biden off the list. He was part of an administration and tried to help push through a government run option for healthcare. Has Klobucher changed her position from "Medicare for All might be the future, but what about now"? If not, that seems to be disqualifying by your premise as well. Or is it "moderate" to be ok with M4A in the future, just not right now? I can't speak to the others...haven't paid much attention to them.
What is level headed about his stances with Iran, North Korea, China, Mexico? Those also not moderate positions.And when was the last peace President that we had? Pragmatic and levelheaded
What stance of his is actually moderate? As others have mentioned...those brought up show his actual stance not be moderate at all.I didn’t even mention his foreign policy being to the left of Biden. President Trump is 100% the only moderate candidate in the 2020 race.
Tariffs are centrist? Falsely declaring a national emergency to fund a wall is centrist? Expanding the federal and trade deficits is centrist?How about a candidate that supports tariffs, criminal justice reform, gay marriage, lower taxes and enforcing our countries border laws?
Looks like President Donald J. Trump is the moderate/centrist candidate you’ve been dreaming of.
If anyone is blinded by hate, it is Trump and his supporters. Just look at him lashing out at his buddies at Fox News earlier in the week. Dude has anger issues.He actually is, people won’t admit it because they’re blinded by hate , but he is.
I used that last time and I think it is almost worthless. The problem being that it weighs them all the same.Anyone know where the website is that matches you to a candidate based on your answers to a questionnaire?
Iran is a work in progress, NK is trending upward for the 1st time in my lifetime, China is a problem that should’ve been dealt with for a very longtimeWhat is level headed about his stances with Iran, North Korea, China, Mexico? Those also not moderate positions.
Iran is a mess after he tore up the deal and threatens them in Twitter. Nothing about that in level headed or pragmatic.Iran is a work in progress, NK is trending upward for the 1st time in my lifetime, China is a problem that should’ve been dealt with for a very longtime
I disagreeIran is a mess after he tore up the deal and threatens them in Twitter. Nothing about that in level headed or pragmatic.
NK is trending status quo...they aren't giving up Nukes and he has elevated Kim and suspended our own activities (actually making it worse than status quo). Its better than where it was when he was threatening them and escalated thing...but that was his own doing. Again, nothing level headed or pragmatic there.
China was being dealt with in a way through TPP...taking away a bit of their leverage. Je tore that up too and started a trade war with them that is hurting American businesses and consumers. His actions there are again not level headed or pragmatic.
Thats ok, its your to that opinion.I disagree
The Iran deal was severely limited in what facilities could be inspected. Almost anything military was off limits.I disagree
And we are now in worse shape with them.The Iran deal was severely limited in what facilities could be inspected. Almost anything military was off limits.
Was it better than nothing? I would have preferred not to ship them mountains of cash and left the original deal undone, but that ship had sailed.
What do you mean? We have worse relations with the Iranian government?And we are now in worse shape with them.
We have less control over all of it after pulling out of the deal and tensions with them are higher than under Obama and the deal.What do you mean? We have worse relations with the Iranian government?
Public option would be a death blow to "Obamacare" as well. Based on what I've read from Joe, he doesn't seem to have a good handle on the healthcare situation, which is weird given who he served under.CNN) - Joe Biden says he opposes fellow Democratic presidential contenders' push for a "Medicare for All" program because such an overhaul of the nation's health system could not coexist with the Affordable Care Act.
The former vice president, in an exclusive interview with CNN's Chris Cuomo airing on Monday, argued that former President Barack Obama's signature health care law, also known as Obamacare, should be expanded to allow people to buy into government-run coverage.
I’m betting his understanding is just fine. His problem is that his advisors are telling him to be as vague as possible so that he’s not caught making promises that can be used against him in the general election.Public option would be a death blow to "Obamacare" as well. Based on what I've read from Joe, he doesn't seem to have a good handle on the healthcare situation, which is weird given who he served under.
We never had control. We were simply paying them off to keep their enrichment private.We have less control over all of it after pulling out of the deal and tensions with them are higher than under Obama and the deal.
They are enriching beyond what the deal would have allowed...and what can we now do?
A majority of Americans support some sort of "Medicare for all" government run health care program. It's a very moderate, popular opinion.Booker and Mayor Pete support Medicare for all, decriminalizing border crossings. They are not moderates. Biden, Bennett , Klobuchar, Hickenlooper are the only moderate Democrats.
For a guy like me, this makes it worse, not better and shows a significant issue with him being the nominee.I’m betting his understanding is just fine. His problem is that his advisors are telling him to be as vague as possible so that he’s not caught making promises that can be used against him in the general election.
You can probably strike Kamala off your list then because she’s teaming up with AOC for a nutty bill that won’t even get Majority Democrat support-I'll vote for Biden and a few others noted here all day every day over Trump.
I'll vote Trump all day every day over the AOC's of the world. The guy is everything I am raising my kids not to be, but really hasn't done anything terrible or great as president to be honest. For this reason, indeed, he could be the more moderate choice.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/07/10/politics/kamala-harris-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-housing-bill/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_term=image&utm_content=2019-07-10T14%3A06%3A10&utm_source=twCNNp&r=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.footballguys.com%2Fforum%2Ftopic%2F765378-2020-presidential-election-thread%2Fpage%2F21%2FCNN) — Sen. Kamala Harris and New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are teaming up to introduce legislation aimed at helping people with criminal records fairly obtain housing.
The bill, which the lawmakers will introduce Wednesday in their respective chambers, pledges to change eviction and screening policies in housing so people with a criminal history can apply for federal housing assistance.
Harris is the latest 2020 Democratic presidential candidate to attach her name to the star of the progressive left, entering the so-called AOC primary.
For his part, Biden has shied away from association with Ocasio-Cortez.
Last week, the front-runner in the 2020 Democratic field told CNN's Chris Cuomo that Ocasio-Cortez is "brilliant and bright," but said she did not represent Democrats who can win a general election in a competitive district or sta
https://www.isidewith.com/elections/2020-presidential-quizAnyone know where the website is that matches you to a candidate based on your answers to a questionnaire?
Agreed. The idea that Kamala Harris is anything remotely close to centrist is only posited by those who vainly hope to position her that way if/when she makes it to the general election.You can probably strike Kamala off your list then because she’s teaming up with AOC for a nutty bill that won’t even get Majority Democrat support-
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/07/10/politics/kamala-harris-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-housing-bill/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_term=image&utm_content=2019-07-10T14%3A06%3A10&utm_source=twCNNp&r=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.footballguys.com%2Fforum%2Ftopic%2F765378-2020-presidential-election-thread%2Fpage%2F21%2F
Well thats not at all what the deal actually was. Nor is pulling out of it and our current stance anything close tk level headed, pragmatic, or moderate...which was what the doscission was about.We never had control. We were simply paying them off to keep their enrichment private.
Yep. Smells like a liberal authoritarian. I'll pass.Agreed. The idea that Kamala Harris is anything remotely close to centrist is only posited by those who vainly hope to position her that way if/when she makes it to the general election.