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This would be easier if lots of the stuff "made in the usa" weren't made with parts from china.
I was glad to see my local store finally started selling American flags made in America.
I bought some cheap ski jackets for a trip to Utah from Amazon. The zipper on both jackets broke within the first couple of uses. Since the return process on Amazon was easy, we basically got to rent crappy ski jackets for free.
I've seen some of this too. Pretty surprised the don't have a handle on it better. It's a pretty awful customer experience. For a company that normally values customer experience.
Really? See, I think Facebook couldn't care less about the users. They repeatedly have lied to users about how data is used, what they share and with who, how much data they collect, etc. They have hired actual psychologists to help figure out how to design their site to keep people addicted and on the site longer. Zuckerberg famously is quoted as laughing about how dumb people are for willingly giving him all the information they give him.
Facebook has issues. But creating a good experience for their customers isn't one in my opinion.
You hit a big issue there.
At this point everyone is using Facebook because everyone is using Facebook.
This.
The only thing I'd care about to justify paying more is if there were steps taken to minimize environmental impact. But how do you even know that? I have little trust in general with companies when it comes to protecting the environment regardless of where in the world that company is located. I'd personally rather just save a few bucks with the products I by and use that money saved to support organizations that directly tackle the issues that I care about rather than being fooled by some company claiming to be something they're not.
that's another reason amazon is so great. they allow you to return clothes for free so if i'm looking for some new shorts for instance, i'll just order like 10 different pairs with the intention of keeping one or two at the most.
I think the customer experience part of it is that if for any reason you are dissatisfied with a purchase -- not just one sold by Amazon but even one sold by a third party vendor that has no affiliation with Amazon -- the company goes out of its way (and even will absorb cost) to make it right by their generous refund/return policy.Joe Bryant said:
Agree there is likely more Amazon can do to help reduce the number of what people might consider "shoddy" goods in their own warehouses. But you can only feasibly police at scale so far up the supply chain (especially when third parties are only using Amazon for order/invoicing and not using them to hold inventory). It's much easier and scalable to help the end customer experience by allowing returns for dissatisfied customers without hassles. And I think Amazon holds vendors to a high standard and removes their ability to sell if they aren't hitting high customer satisfaction and other metrics (shipping times, etc.).NutterButter said:
Did you read the rest of the post? The problem isn't the crappy products that you used to buy from China are somehow inherently crappy because you bought them from China. The problem is you were seeking out products at a price point that they would ultimately end up being a crappy product. The way free trade works is someone(whether it's China, or India, or Vietnam, or Malaysia..... etc) has the ability to get that product in your hands at a lower price point. Chinese people do not make products that are any worse than anyone else. Up until very recently the Chinese were making the vast majority of apple products for instance and most people don't think they are especially crappy.Captain Cranks said:
I think you need to go reread my OP. That might help you understand why I'm trying to curb my purchases of Chinese products.
They just got hit with a record $5B fine for mishandling user data, a fine that many believe was still a slap on the wrist.Joe Bryant said:
Joe's assertion gave me total pause and I usually grant wide berth because different people have different time commitments to sit and pore over hours of material.
I think you’re right, but it’s not easy to do given how imbedded they are into everything we consume and the ease/cost of comparing origin when making a decision.
IMHO, you may be buying too many disposable/crap products and that is the issue rather than China or Vietnam (perhaps Mozambique or Nigeria in the future).
Thanks. We can just disagree on this. All good.FreeBaGeL said:
This. Although, per supply/demand 101 the more expensive, shoddy products should not be exist long term (but they may thanks to a "buy American" bias" among American customers)
I think I've made about two hundred posts today. If you keep typing, we'll monkey up somewhere else and turn it into a broken clock.
Again, this isn't about the quality of the products for me. As I said in my OP, I don't know what tipped the scales. It's likely getting sick of hearing how Trump is going to save the day and fix China's corrupt trade practices when, in reality, the American consumer has the power to do the fixing.
Fair enough. I fixated on the crap thing instead of the China thing.
This is exactly right. There's a lot of high quality consumer goods that are made in China with Chinese components. Some factories are excellent, well run, very professional with good quality control. Others produce junk.
With FB. You are not the customer.Joe Bryant said:
And the #### I do need, I use: It don’t take up space and it’s recyclable. A millennial like me can live at least 24 days on just craft beer and Spotify Premium.
