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18 hours ago, General Malaise said:

If your ranking the states like you rank wide receivers what's your top 5 and what state ranks #50?

 

I haven't spent enough time there, but it'd be real hard to convince me Boulder, CO give or take is anything but #1. 

I couldn't rank a #50. There are so many places I have no interest visiting. They're all the same to me. 

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Top 5? There is sooo muchn that goes into that. Cool cities, nature, food, drinks, scenery, history, important sights, sports, people watching, laws, culture, size, etc. 

Cali has to be #1. It's got issues with traffic, smog, earthquakes, fires, etc. but it's just a powerhouse. San Diego, Hollywood, San Fran, Napa and Sonoma. It's the Julio Jones of States. Sure there is a huge falloff coming, but right now this is the elite of elite. Talent off the charts. 

 

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20 hours ago, CGRdrJoe said:

There are definitely mosquitos here.

Yeah, but in So Cal very few. How many of us ever put on a repellent when going outside? Me - never. Most will light a candle on the patio. 

As for Mexican - I’m not even counting East LA and some of the places mentioned. Heck - we have a taco truck 5 blocks from us that makes the most killer al pastor around. Javier’s great scenery but overrated. For great food and the best concept I’ve seen we love Los Agaves. First one in Santa Barbara. Then came to our town. I’d love to take this place to every city in the country. 

https://los-agaves.com/

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

Top 5? There is sooo muchn that goes into that. Cool cities, nature, food, drinks, scenery, history, important sights, sports, people watching, laws, culture, size, etc. 

Cali has to be #1. It's got issues with traffic, smog, earthquakes, fires, etc. but it's just a powerhouse. San Diego, Hollywood, San Fran, Napa and Sonoma. It's the Julio Jones of States. Sure there is a huge falloff coming, but right now this is the elite of elite. Talent off the charts. 

 

Don't forget that all of my quality posts come from California, one of the most valuable exports. 

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To determine its list, U.S. News & World Report used data from sources like United States Census Bureau and the Department of Labor to determine factors including strength of job market (i.e., unemployment rate and average salary); quality of life (crime rate, well being and quality of education and health care); and value index (annual housing cost and median annual household income). The magazine also polled approximately 2,500 people across the country to find out in what metro areas they would most likely live, to determine desirability.

There are the top 10 places to live in America, according to U.S. News & World Report.

1. Austin, Texas

2. Denver, Colorado

3. Colorado Springs, Colorado

4. Fayetteville, Arkansas

5. Des Moines, Iowa

6. Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minnesota

7. San Francisco, California

8. Portland, Oregon

9. Seattle, Washington

10. Raleigh & Durham, North Carolina

Two cities from last year’s ranking (Huntsville, Alabama and Washington D.C.) did not make this year’s list. New to the list for 2019 is San Francisco, California (ranked No. 7) and Raleigh & Durham, North Carolina (ranked No. 10).

Desirability played a significant role in San Francisco’s jump to No. 7. “While the San Francisco metro area is a pricey place to live,” says Thorsby, “the higher median household income compared to many other parts of the U.S. helps to offset that. Also, San Francisco’s education quality is higher than most other cities.”

The Raleigh and Durham metro area performs well due to its steady population growth and low cost of living, according to Thorsby. “Raleigh and Durham area residents spend just 21.47 percent of the median household income on housing, which helps money go farther there,” she says.

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5 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

Top 5? There is sooo muchn that goes into that. Cool cities, nature, food, drinks, scenery, history, important sights, sports, people watching, laws, culture, size, etc. 

Cali has to be #1. It's got issues with traffic, smog, earthquakes, fires, etc. but it's just a powerhouse. San Diego, Hollywood, San Fran, Napa and Sonoma. It's the Julio Jones of States. Sure there is a huge falloff coming, but right now this is the elite of elite. Talent off the charts. 

 

Also high cost of living, high taxes, and widening wealth disparity (resulting in a growing homeless population).  It’s still number 1 by a long shot. 

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On 7/12/2019 at 3:04 PM, WDIK2 said:

The traffic and cost of living would by my only real strikes against it.  I'm sure you get used to the traffic eventually, but it would be hard for me not to murder someone before I was acclimated. 

It is a beautiful area with beautiful people though.

Traffic just becomes part of life. We don't measure travel in distance units, we measure with time. But as I get older it's not the traffic that wears on me, it's the horrendous dangerous/distracted/selfish drivers that make me want to nuke Los Angeles.

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I’m in Sacramento this weekend. 100+ oppressive heat. HARD PASS

Nice town besides feeling like I’m in some 7th circle of hell.

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5 hours ago, The General said:

I’m in Sacramento this weekend. 100+ oppressive heat. HARD PASS

Nice town besides feeling like I’m in some 7th circle of hell.

Get yrself a Sacto/Deftones shirt, wear proudly, and bump loudly in all its infernality.

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15 hours ago, MAC_32 said:

North Carolina is miserable this time of year anywhere but the mountains and the coast. 

True, but the misery is short-lived compared to much of the rest of the country.

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12 hours ago, bigbottom said:

Also high cost of living, high taxes, and widening wealth disparity (resulting in a growing homeless population).  It’s still number 1 by a long shot. 

I think those reasons, along with the risk of some serious natural disasters, definitely keep it from being #1. 

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20 hours ago, MAC_32 said:

I haven't spent enough time there, but it'd be real hard to convince me Boulder, CO give or take is anything but #1. 

I couldn't rank a #50. There are so many places I have no interest visiting. They're all the same to me. 

Boulder is nice, but it's pricey and the locals come across as a bit pretentious.

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13 hours ago, SHIZNITTTT said:

To determine its list, U.S. News & World Report used data from sources like United States Census Bureau and the Department of Labor to determine factors including strength of job market (i.e., unemployment rate and average salary); quality of life (crime rate, well being and quality of education and health care); and value index (annual housing cost and median annual household income). The magazine also polled approximately 2,500 people across the country to find out in what metro areas they would most likely live, to determine desirability.

There are the top 10 places to live in America, according to U.S. News & World Report.

1. Austin, Texas

2. Denver, Colorado

3. Colorado Springs, Colorado

4. Fayetteville, Arkansas

5. Des Moines, Iowa

6. Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minnesota

7. San Francisco, California

8. Portland, Oregon

9. Seattle, Washington

10. Raleigh & Durham, North Carolina

Two cities from last year’s ranking (Huntsville, Alabama and Washington D.C.) did not make this year’s list. New to the list for 2019 is San Francisco, California (ranked No. 7) and Raleigh & Durham, North Carolina (ranked No. 10).

Desirability played a significant role in San Francisco’s jump to No. 7. “While the San Francisco metro area is a pricey place to live,” says Thorsby, “the higher median household income compared to many other parts of the U.S. helps to offset that. Also, San Francisco’s education quality is higher than most other cities.”

The Raleigh and Durham metro area performs well due to its steady population growth and low cost of living, according to Thorsby. “Raleigh and Durham area residents spend just 21.47 percent of the median household income on housing, which helps money go farther there,” she says.

Don't know much about Fayetteville, but 4-6 seem out of place with the others.

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Is this the thread where everyone talks about how terrible Florida is and then two months later announces they're moving there?

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11 minutes ago, JaxBill said:

Is this the thread where everyone talks about how terrible Florida is and then two months later announces they're moving there?

Hot take, pun intended. I would rather deal with a Cleveland winter than a Florida summer.

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22 hours ago, MAC_32 said:

North Carolina is miserable this time of year anywhere but the mountains and the coast. 

91 with sweltering humidity today.

 

But we will have 60-70 degree days for every month in the winter.  NC, best place to live in murica

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On 7/12/2019 at 7:13 PM, Joe Bryant said:

That's a fantastic question. Not sure I can do it. 

I'm not sure I could rank them. 

 

22 hours ago, MAC_32 said:

I haven't spent enough time there, but it'd be real hard to convince me Boulder, CO give or take is anything but #1. 

I couldn't rank a #50. There are so many places I have no interest visiting. They're all the same to me. 

Let me help you guys out

#50 - Mississippi 

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13 hours ago, The General said:

I’m in Sacramento this weekend. 100+ oppressive heat. HARD PASS

Nice town besides feeling like I’m in some 7th circle of hell.

Average high of 94 in July.  Hell no to that.

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27 minutes ago, JaxBill said:

Is this the thread where everyone talks about how terrible Florida is and then two months later announces they're moving there?

Florida is like religion; people begin to embrace it as they get older.   

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4 minutes ago, NutterButter said:

Florida is like religion; people begin to embrace it as they get older.   

I love the Tampa area, although its too crowded, I really like the northern coastal areas on the east but anything other than that forget it.   That place has some areas that is truly cray cray.  Looking at you Ocala.

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15 minutes ago, NutterButter said:

Average high of 94 in July.  Hell no to that.

Nighttime is very nice but I think mostly because you earned it by almost dying during the day.

 

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2 minutes ago, pantherclub said:

I love the Tampa area, although its too crowded, I really like the northern coastal areas on the east but anything other than that forget it.   That place has some areas that is truly cray cray.  Looking at you Ocala.

The Tampa area is nice.  I also like the Naples area.    Both are very nice winter destinations and if I retire in the northeast, one of those will surely be a snowbird destination.   

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20 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

 

Let me help you guys out

#50 - Mississippi 

I highly doubt I will ever go there. Same with North Dakota. Nebraska. Alabama. Oklahoma. Etc. I'm sure there are redeeming qualities about them I'm simply unaware of. Just don't care to devote the time and energy to find out. 

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17 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

 

Let me help you guys out

#50 - Mississippi 

I went to college there and while I'd never move back, it's got some nice things.  Oxford is a treasure of a college town.  The cities on the Gulf are decent with great seafood and casinos. The food overall in Mississippi is terrific; great fusion of deep south with Creole influence, not to mention the BBQ.  There are roadside shacks with BBQ that will knock your socks off.  It's also a very pretty state with giant magnolia trees, plenty of vegetation and a mild climate most of the year.  Summer sucks, though. If you're a history nerd, Mississippi is rich with it and for fans of Blues music, it's got quite a rich history there too. Oh, and the southern belles. :wub:

But poverty is awful, no thanks on their politics and the racial tensions are uncomfortable.  

I'd rather live there than Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa the Dakotas* or Utah to name a few. 

*I've never been to the Dakotas, so I don't really know but they sound terrible.  Only 2 states I've not been to. 

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27 minutes ago, pantherclub said:

 

91 with sweltering humidity today.

 

But we will have 60-70 degree days for every month in the winter.  NC, best place to live in murica

It's 73, topping out around 80, little humidity, and not a cloud in the sky today. Living in the south vs the north is as simple as your tolerance of an unbearable winter vs summer. Unless of course you can just afford both. 

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21 minutes ago, The General said:

Nighttime is very nice but I think mostly because you earned it by almost dying during the day.

 

Gotta find a pool. 

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We've turned on our A/C just once in 2019 and that wasn't for more than half a day.  

Oregon has its issues and the rain bothers some folks, especially if it ruins spring, but I'll put Oregon #1 all day long. 

Also, Oregon doesn't have a Modesto or a Stockton or a Fresno which, if you've never had the misfortune of experiencing, is more than enough to rank California below Oregon.

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1 hour ago, JaxBill said:

Is this the thread where everyone talks about how terrible Florida is and then two months later announces they're moving there?

Not a chance. At least the moving part.

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40 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

I went to college there and while I'd never move back, it's got some nice things.  Oxford is a treasure of a college town.  The cities on the Gulf are decent with great seafood and casinos. The food overall in Mississippi is terrific; great fusion of deep south with Creole influence, not to mention the BBQ.  There are roadside shacks with BBQ that will knock your socks off.  It's also a very pretty state with giant magnolia trees, plenty of vegetation and a mild climate most of the year.  Summer sucks, though. If you're a history nerd, Mississippi is rich with it and for fans of Blues music, it's got quite a rich history there too. Oh, and the southern belles. :wub:

But poverty is awful, no thanks on their politics and the racial tensions are uncomfortable.  

I'd rather live there than Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa the Dakotas* or Utah to name a few. 

*I've never been to the Dakotas, so I don't really know but they sound terrible.  Only 2 states I've not been to. 

Utah is one of the most beautiful states, with everything CO has at 80% cost of living. One of a handful of places I'd consider moving to from Hawaii.

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Think I'd worry more about climate change authoring more potent and frequent hurricanes in Florida than I would earthquakes in California.  

I don't worry about either here*

 

 

*I know there are scientists predicting a massive one hitting the Pac NW but I don't lose sleep over it. 

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2 minutes ago, Terminalxylem said:

Utah is one of the most beautiful states, with everything CO has at 80% cost of living. One of a handful of places I'd consider moving to from Hawaii.

I don't want to have to order food at a bar if I want to just have a beer. That's weird.  I drove to Salt Lake from Portland and that's an insidious drive with a hideous landscape.  Ramshackle houses dot the highways that are eyesores and I couldn't help but think that there was some nefarious activity going on inside.  

Would very much like to hit the national parks one day and ski there another but to live?  Thank you, no.

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58 minutes ago, The General said:

Nighttime is very nice but I think mostly because you earned it by almost dying during the day.

 

Sounds like the perfect retirement spot for vampires. 

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43 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

I'd rather live there than Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa the Dakotas* or Utah to name a few. 

 

Utah sticks out here especially if you are into outdoor activities.  I understand not liking some parts of the culture.  We have offices in Utah, SoCal and NorCal.  I would probably move to Utah before the others.

I don't know man, I spent 4 weeks in Oregon (Portland, Eugene, Albany, Salem areas) November thru January.  I think we saw the sun twice.  I would take those winters over Nebraska winters any day, but we do get some sunny days sprinkled in.  Bright sun and 10 degrees.  :loco: 

The homeless situation was a culture shock for me also.  I understand why they live there (mild winters), but it's still sad.  I'll be all over the state of Oregon late August early September.

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7 hours ago, Terminalxylem said:

True, but the misery is short-lived compared to much of the rest of the country.

I’m in Charlotte and even with the summer heat during the day, we were at a cookout last night and it was perfect. Food was awesome as well.

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6 minutes ago, Terminalxylem said:

Utah is one of the most beautiful states, with everything CO has at 80% cost of living. One of a handful of places I'd consider moving to from Hawaii.

Also, my aunt lives in Park City and loves it, but not being a Mormon there poses some challenges.  

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7 minutes ago, WDIK2 said:

Utah sticks out here especially if you are into outdoor activities.  I understand not liking some parts of the culture.  We have offices in Utah, SoCal and NorCal.  I would probably move to Utah before the others.

I don't know man, I spent 4 weeks in Oregon (Portland, Eugene, Albany, Salem areas) November thru January.  I think we saw the sun twice.  I would take those winters over Nebraska winters any day, but we do get some sunny days sprinkled in.  Bright sun and 10 degrees.  :loco: 

The homeless situation was a culture shock for me also.  I understand why they live there (mild winters), but it's still sad.  I'll be all over the state of Oregon late August early September.

The population of homeless people in Portland has exploded in recent years.  It is a gigantic problem on numerous fronts, not the least of which is a health crisis.  It's a major knock against the city of Portland and the politicians are being screamed at - literally - to address it.  It's sad and I wish I knew the solution. 

I'll take our rainy winters in the mid 40s over winters in the northern states and summers in the southern states.  Rarely below freezing in the winter and no humidity in the summer?  Yes please! 

Very few if any mosquitos, terrific beer, wine and food, 90 minutes drives to the coast or 60 minutes to ski.  Where else can you do that? 

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1 minute ago, NutterButter said:

Oregon is great no doubt.  You just have to be cool with a lot of cloudy days.  

Not a cloud in the sky today, broheme.  Going to maybe touch 80. :thumbup:

 

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On 7/12/2019 at 8:47 AM, DA RAIDERS said:

cheers!  i work in laguna beach.  things could be worse.

A LOT worse.  It could be Polk Co., FL.

 

On 7/12/2019 at 10:07 AM, Jackstraw said:

Meh. Crime, smog, traffic, high costs. 

 

I'm guessing he wasn't sitting on a patio in the middle of Crenshaw.  If he's anywhere in the OC?   My god...there's way too many bored police officers around here for anything major to go down.  Property/financial crimes?  Those are a thing here.   Violent crimes?  You probably have a better shot at being struck by lightning.  Twice.

Taxes and housing costs suck a tailpipe here, that's a given, buuut....here's the part that most people who haven't lived here for an extended period usually don't understand (I was one of them once):  You're getting what you pay for.  I've lived all over the country.  East Coast, West Coast, Deep South and Northeast.  Few places have really compared to Souther California (by which I'm meaning South of Los Angeles, which is admittedly an armpit) for quality of life; convenience,  availability of work, weather, culture, proximity to beach/mountains/desert if you want it, nubile co-eds pretty much everywhere (or rocked up dudes if you're into that).  Yeah, you know what, I should probably move to Nebraska or something cuz the rent's cheaper.

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28 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

Also, my aunt lives in Park City and loves it, but not being a Mormon there poses some challenges.  

I moved to Salt Lake City from Seattle 25 years ago for residency training and thought I'd hate it.  I'd never move back to the NW now.  Love it here. 

I'm not religious and while there have been some frustrating moments over the years it has not been a significant issue at all.  I'm surprised your aunt has experienced those challenges, especially living in Park City.

And the liquor laws are far better now---you'd be surprised.  Much less stringent than many of the SE states. I can pretty much get a drink of any kind any time I want it.  The way it should be :banned: .

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51 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

I don't want to have to order food at a bar if I want to just have a beer. That's weird.  I drove to Salt Lake from Portland and that's an insidious drive with a hideous landscape.  Ramshackle houses dot the highways that are eyesores and I couldn't help but think that there was some nefarious activity going on inside.  

Would very much like to hit the national parks one day and ski there another but to live?  Thank you, no.

I'm thankful people prioritize inconsequential stuff like ease of ordering beer and avoiding LDS, because it keeps Utah affordable despite having arguably the best outdoor recreation in the country.

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10 minutes ago, Terminalxylem said:

I'm thankful people prioritize inconsequential stuff like ease of ordering beer and avoiding LDS, because it keeps Utah affordable despite having arguably the best outdoor recreation in the country.

The outdoor activity ain't half bad here. Plus, much greener.  

I find the need to order food to accommodate my 3.2 beer order at a bar absurd but to each their own (and maybe that's changed since I was last there but I am pretty sure you're required to order an appetizer at the very least of you want a drink).

As far as religion goes, I grew up in the bible belt. I have no interest in living in a state that has a high concentration of even more bizarre religious believers.  Godless Oregon is good for me. 

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7 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

The outdoor activity ain't half bad here. Plus, much greener.  

I find the need to order food to accommodate my 3.2 beer order at a bar absurd but to each their own (and maybe that's changed since I was last there but I am pretty sure you're required to order an appetizer at the very least of you want a drink).

As far as religion goes, I grew up in the bible belt. I have no interest in living in a state that has a high concentration of even more bizarre religious believers.  Godless Oregon is good for me. 

If you're in a bar you do not have to order food with alcohol.  In a restaurant, you do--at lease an appetizer.

And the 3.2% law was just scrapped.  It's now 4.8.  

Baby steps.

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4 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

The outdoor activity ain't half bad here. Plus, much greener.  

I find the need to order food to accommodate my 3.2 beer order at a bar absurd but to each their own (and maybe that's changed since I was last there but I am pretty sure you're required to order an appetizer at the very least of you want a drink).

As far as religion goes, I grew up in the bible belt. I have no interest in living in a state that has a high concentration of even more bizarre religious believers.  Godless Oregon is good for me. 

Yeah, OR has decent hiking and water sports, but...

Utah has arguably the best snow skiing (Alta), mountain biking (Moab), crack climbing (Indian Creek) and canyoneering (Zion) in the country. All those places are meccas for their respective activities.

Don't know (nor care) about the beer stuff, though all my OR friends seem obsessed with microbrews, so I know it's a way of life out there.

I also grew up in the Bible Belt. Unlike southern baptists, LDS keep to themselves.

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1 hour ago, 5-ish Finkle said:

A LOT worse.  It could be Polk Co., FL.

 

I'm guessing he wasn't sitting on a patio in the middle of Crenshaw.  If he's anywhere in the OC?   My god...there's way too many bored police officers around here for anything major to go down.  Property/financial crimes?  Those are a thing here.   Violent crimes?  You probably have a better shot at being struck by lightning.  Twice.

Taxes and housing costs suck a tailpipe here, that's a given, buuut....here's the part that most people who haven't lived here for an extended period usually don't understand (I was one of them once):  You're getting what you pay for.  I've lived all over the country.  East Coast, West Coast, Deep South and Northeast.  Few places have really compared to Souther California (by which I'm meaning South of Los Angeles, which is admittedly an armpit) for quality of life; convenience,  availability of work, weather, culture, proximity to beach/mountains/desert if you want it, nubile co-eds pretty much everywhere (or rocked up dudes if you're into that).  Yeah, you know what, I should probably move to Nebraska or something cuz the rent's cheaper.

Guess we all good then. I find it curious how little regard folks out there have for the quality of our nature. Some absolutely incredible locations out here in the midwest. Beautiful bodies of water as well. And also the fact people seem to believe no pretty women seem to exist outside of california. Weird. Y'all watch too much tv or something.

We have theater and concerts and art galleries and everything. Running water and flush toilets too as of last year.   

But like I said it's I'd actually prefer to be a sleeper state.  

But you're right. I should talk up my own state like OP rather than talk down someone else's. I'm sure its awesome out there but I've visited places all over the world and its never more than seven days before I'm ready to get home.  

 

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33 minutes ago, The Dreaded Marco said:

If you're in a bar you do not have to order food with alcohol.  In a restaurant, you do--at lease an appetizer.

And the 3.2% law was just scrapped.  It's now 4.8.  

Baby steps.

:thumbup:

 

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I don't need the skiing to be the best. I just want it to be close and accessible. I'm not nearly good enough to care on that front. 

The LDS sends kids out to knock on doors around the world. How is that keeping to themselves? 

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California: best weather, most beautiful coastline, one of largest economies in the world, not to mention beaches and skiing, beautiful women, and incredible state parks.  All of that is enough to outweigh all the other stuff that sucks about California. Everyone else is playing for second, and that includes my current home state of Texas. 

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