Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
KCitons

Man Beaten to Death After Stealing Car With Kids Inside, Police Say

Recommended Posts

I’ll give them a pass on this one.

If it was just a straight stolen car with no kids inside, throw the book at them.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

On face value from that article - a clean kill.  The only way I'd charge them with anything is if video evidence show the thief completely subdued/unconscious and the beating continued.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not that I'm advocating car theft and kidnapping but... once you stop the perp and rescue the kids, I think you should dial down the murdering.

  • Like 14

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, kentric said:

Great idea.  Leave your car running with the kids in the car. 

Even better idea to steal a car with a traffic jam a half block away...and drive right into it.

  • Laughing 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, tkrull said:

Not that I'm advocating car theft and kidnapping but... once you stop the perp and rescue the kids, I think you should dial down the murdering.

Yeah, unless it's sort of a no-choice situation, deescalation is really the proper response. We value life over property, almost all the time. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, tkrull said:

Not that I'm advocating car theft and kidnapping but... once you stop the perp and rescue the kids, I think you should dial down the murdering.

I feel like a shot or two is justified. Maybe the thief started to go after them I have no problem with it.  If they just ripped him from the car and punched and kicked him multiple times out of anger while he was down then yeah I think you're correct.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Pipes said:

Even better idea to steal a car with a traffic jam a half block away...and drive right into it.

Dumb and Dumber IV

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

When your kids are in danger, a switch is flipped. No telling how much adrenaline was shooting through dad's veins thinking his kids might never be seen again. 

  • Like 7

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Insein said:

When your kids are in danger, a switch is flipped. No telling how much adrenaline was shooting through dad's veins thinking his kids might never be seen again. 

The only reason those kids were in danger was that those morons left them in the car with it running.  Trying to pretend concern afterwards is a bit much.

  • Like 4
  • Thanks 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There has to be some type of charge against the father; at least aggravated assault.  

ETA:  And the mom is most likely looking at reckless endangerment.   

Edited by NutterButter
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, NutterButter said:

There has to be some type of charge against the father; at least aggravated assault.  

Child endangerment for leaving them with the car running.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Mrs. Rannous said:

The only reason those kids were in danger was that those morons left them in the car with it running.  Trying to pretend concern afterwards is a bit much.

Yeah it was dumb on their part but the dead guy did commit multiple felonies despite the victims stupidity.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Leroy Hoard said:

Child endangerment for leaving them with the car running.

I could see them charging the mother with this, but not the father. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd have a hard time toning it down after fearing for my child's safety, but beating a man to death is a whole other issue.  Punishment not fitting the crime and all.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, johnnycakes said:

I could see them charging the mother with this, but not the father. 

Yeah...dad was at work.  Not to excuse the behavior of leaving the kids in the car, that is not acceptable, but they/he was at least watching close enough to see the car taken and try to stop it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, Mrs. Rannous said:

The only reason those kids were in danger was that those morons left them in the car with it running.  Trying to pretend concern afterwards is a bit much.

What?  So once you make a mistake that put your kids in danger any concern you have for your kids as a result of that mistake is pretending?

If anything, I’d be even more legitimately concerned because my guilt would act as an amplifier.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have little sympathy for the dead guy. But I also want to see the perpetrators do some serious jail time. As a society, we shouldn't be sending a message that vigilante capital punishment is a justifiable response to a slippery slope of non-lethal crimes.

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 minutes ago, Mrs. Rannous said:

The only reason those kids were in danger was that those morons left them in the car with it running.  Trying to pretend concern afterwards is a bit much.

I can see your first point. But regardless of the mom’s complicity in creating the dangerous situation, the kids were still kidnapped. I’m sure the concern was anything but pretend. In other words, when your kids are abducted by a stranger, I’m guessing you’re going to flip out regardless of whether or not you were partially at fault (and it doesn’t sound like dad was at fault at all).

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Gary Coal Man said:
16 minutes ago, Mrs. Rannous said:

The only reason those kids were in danger was that those morons left them in the car with it running.  Trying to pretend concern afterwards is a bit much.

What?  So once you make a mistake that put your kids in danger any concern you have for your kids as a result of that mistake is pretending?

You know, you and Mrs. Rannous are kind of making the same argument: that a small error in judgment justifies disproportionate punishment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

I have little sympathy for the dead guy. But I also want to see the perpetrators do some serious jail time. As a society, we shouldn't be sending a message that vigilante capital punishment is a justifiable response to a slippery slope of non-lethal crimes.

If someone abducts my children, I have no idea whether the result will be non-lethal. 

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, [scooter] said:

You know, you and Mrs. Rannous are kind of making the same argument: that a small error in judgment justifies disproportionate punishment.

Neither of us mentioned punishment.  We mentioned concern.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

I have little sympathy for the dead guy. But I also want to see the perpetrators do some serious jail time. As a society, we shouldn't be sending a message that vigilante capital punishment is a justifiable response to a slippery slope of non-lethal crimes.

Why didn't the father think of all those rational and logical arguments when he was running after a moving car with his children inside and all sorts of fears and thoughts of paranoia running through his head? Maybe he should've pulled that man from the car and politely asked his intentions. Was he just looking to steal a car, or does he have a thing for little kids? Once the father weighed the answers and posed follow up questions, then he should've called his pastor to ask what he should do along with two character references the car thief/kidnapper provides. That's what we should all do as a society.  

Or maybe, get out of your ivory tower and realize there is so much more going on in this situation than what we should or shouldn't be as a society. Because as a father, had someone stolen a car with my kids in it and I had caught him...

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Let’s say I was carrying a licensed firearm. And some guy abducted my young children. If I managed to catch up to him, I’m thinking it is pretty likely that I would put a bullet in him.

Now this guy may get charged because he continued the beating after the man was already knocked out or otherwise subdued. We’ll have to wait for the facts to come out. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, TheFanatic said:

Why didn't the father think of all those rational and logical arguments when he was running after a moving car with his children inside and all sorts of fears and thoughts of paranoia running through his head? Maybe he should've pulled that man from the car and politely asked his intentions. Was he just looking to steal a car, or does he have a thing for little kids? Once the father weighed the answers and posed follow up questions, then he should've called his pastor to ask what he should do along with two character references the car thief/kidnapper provides. That's what we should all do as a society.  

Or maybe, get out of your ivory tower and realize there is so much more going on in this situation than what we should or shouldn't be as a society. Because as a father, had someone stolen a car with my kids in it and I had caught him...

Yes I get that, but there is a difference between beating up a guy and killing him.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What about the role the other bystanders played in beating the thief to death? What was the emotional drive for their actions?

The article doesn't give us a breakdown of what role they played. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, KCitons said:

What about the role the other bystanders played in beating the thief to death? What was the emotional drive for their actions?

The article doesn't give us a breakdown of what role they played. 

Yeah, additional facts will need to be brought to light. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, The Big Guy said:

Yes I get that, but there is a difference between beating up a guy and killing him.

This isn't just a "guy"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, bigbottom said:

Let’s say I was carrying a licensed firearm. And some guy abducted my young children. If I managed to catch up to him, I’m thinking it is pretty likely that I would put a bullet in him.

Now this guy may get charged because he continued the beating after the man was already knocked out or otherwise subdued. We’ll have to wait for the facts to come out. 

That's really exactly what I was thinking, too. That if he was armed he'd actually have more of an excuse than in beating the guy to death. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, KCitons said:

What about the role the other bystanders played in beating the thief to death? What was the emotional drive for their actions?

Likely a combination of the two human instincts to protect children and to get sucked up in violent mob mentality when in that environment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Gary Coal Man said:

Likely a combination of the two human instincts to protect children and to get sucked up in violent mob mentality when in that environment.

Probably no way of knowing. I just wonder how much the mob contributed to the thief's death? Would the guy have died if it was just the Dad vs the thief? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, TheFanatic said:
9 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

I have little sympathy for the dead guy. But I also want to see the perpetrators do some serious jail time. As a society, we shouldn't be sending a message that vigilante capital punishment is a justifiable response to a slippery slope of non-lethal crimes.

Why didn't the father think of all those rational and logical arguments when he was running after a moving car with his children inside and all sorts of fears and thoughts of paranoia running through his head? Maybe he should've pulled that man from the car and politely asked his intentions. Was he just looking to steal a car, or does he have a thing for little kids? Once the father weighed the answers and posed follow up questions, then he should've called his pastor to ask what he should do along with two character references the car thief/kidnapper provides. That's what we should all do as a society.  

Or maybe, get out of your ivory tower and realize there is so much more going on in this situation than what we should or shouldn't be as a society. Because as a father, had someone stolen a car with my kids in it and I had caught him...

We shouldn't allow emotionally-driven people to have a license to kill.

If you want to take the law into your own hands, that's your prerogative. But you should be fully prepared, if not willing, to accept the consequences of your actions.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, The Big Guy said:

Yes I get that, but there is a difference between beating up a guy and killing him.

You could kill a man with a few appropriately placed shots even if it isn't your intention to kill him

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

We shouldn't allow emotionally-driven people to have a license to kill.

If you want to take the law into your own hands, that's your prerogative. But you should be fully prepared, if not willing, to accept the consequences of your actions.

Heat of Passion legal defense

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, KCitons said:

What about the role the other bystanders played in beating the thief to death? What was the emotional drive for their actions?

The article doesn't give us a breakdown of what role they played. 

Maybe the guy was wearing a Cowboys jersey in Eagles county.

  • Like 1
  • Sad 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
38 minutes ago, Mrs. Rannous said:

The only reason those kids were in danger was that those morons left them in the car with it running.  Trying to pretend concern afterwards is a bit much.

I didn't read the article. I'm just thinking of myself in a situation where my kids are taken. Say you have kids in the car and stop to put something in a mailbox but leave the car running. In those few seconds someone takes the car. I'd turn into the hulk. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Gary Coal Man said:
4 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

We shouldn't allow emotionally-driven people to have a license to kill.

If you want to take the law into your own hands, that's your prerogative. But you should be fully prepared, if not willing, to accept the consequences of your actions.

Heat of Passion legal defense

I'm not so conservative that I oppose this type of defense. But society cannot let crimes go unpunished.

"Heat of Passion" is not synonymous with "Self Defense".

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, kentric said:

Great idea.  Leave your car running with the kids in the car. 

between the ages of 7 months and 5 years old - even better.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
41 minutes ago, Jayrod said:

I'd have a hard time toning it down after fearing for my child's safety, but beating a man to death is a whole other issue.  Punishment not fitting the crime and all.

Death by beatdown is definitely a fitting punishment for kidnapping 3 small children.

Anyone that abducts children, even as collateral damage for another crime, should not be in this world.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The murderer, and possibly the bystanders, should be charged with manslaughter at least.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, Insein said:

I didn't read the article. I'm just thinking of myself in a situation where my kids are taken. Say you have kids in the car and stop to put something in a mailbox but leave the car running. In those few seconds someone takes the car. I'd turn into the hulk. 

Yeah but this dumb lady went inside a restaurant and started chatting up her boyfriend.  Kidnapper got what he deserved but mom was negligent here.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Death by beatdown is definitely a fitting punishment for kidnapping 3 small children.

Anyone that abducts children, even as collateral damage for another crime, should not be in this world.

 

13 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Yeah but this dumb lady went inside a restaurant and started chatting up her boyfriend.  Kidnapper got what he deserved but mom was negligent here.

I guess the mom has a beat down coming?

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.